Negligent Discharge: The Stuff Of Nightmares

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Negligent Discharge: The Stuff Of Nightmares

by Frank Winn, Guns & Gear Editor -
Thursday, November 10, 2016



If you ever had one, you know. If you haven’t had one, you’re due. There’s just about nothing that scares the you-know-what out of you like a negligent discharge.

Simply put, this is any “bang” you didn’t expect.

Such unexpected shots are rightly alarming, and for a host of reasons. The most obvious is their spectacularly, intrinsically unsafe nature: They generally signal serial errors and oversights, and perhaps technique flaws as well. They also tell you a lot about the shooter who has one in terms of character, or at least that’s our opinion. We’d be concerned by anyone not shocked and shaken when it happens to them. Serious assessment on several levels is the only appropriate response, to say nothing of apology and recompense if possible. At the very least, it ought to be the place where firearms snobbery and arrogance go to die. Think about this—or rethink it—and perhaps you’ll understand the nearly magical power of this when uniformly applied.

We’d also suggest prayer, frankly, especially if yours was only embarrassing and expensive. They can be tragically worse, of course, though this is thankfully very rare despite media hysteria to the contrary (medical mistakes, automobile accidents, poisoning, falls, suffocation, drowning and incineration are all many times more common). All the same, most are preventable, and responsible gun ownership certainly means reducing them to as close to zero as possible, before the well-meaning-but-ignorant reduce them for you via the expedient of taking away your Second Amendment rights.

First, know the rules, and understand how they “interlock” to make true gun safety a reality. We’ve made the point in decades of teaching that just one rule can do the heavy lifting for all safety concerns if it is applied with sufficient vigor: Never let the muzzle cover anything you aren’t willing to destroy.

Think about this—or rethink it—and perhaps you’ll understand the nearly magical power of this when uniformly applied. If you never broke this rule, but had multiple NDs, it would only be expensive and embarrassing: It’s all but impossible to seriously injure yourself or anyone else as long as you don’t let that muzzle cover what you really value (we don’t have to actually say “people,” right?). But break this rule in combination with any of the others, and things go rapidly, horribly wrong.

An especially dangerous mechanism by which we see this happen, however, is when people limit the “muzzle cover” notion only to things they can see. Bullets will pierce many objects or travel surprising distances, and it’ll still be your fault if on the other side of whatever (wall, hill, car door, etc.) is something you didn’t want to destroy. Ergo, a loaded firearm gets pointed at a target only and ever, to say nothing of putting your finger on the trigger, and/or firing.

Second is clearing a firearm. Most NDs occur with firearms people thought were empty. Notice how this one becomes trivial—expensive and embarrassing only—if you don’t violate numero uno above.

We’d observe that clearing errors can have several sources. The most likely is not knowing how to properly clear a given firearm. This is compounded by the multiplicity of action types because different methods—in mechanical terms—apply. The fallback in all such cases is simple: Ask, or leave it the heck alone.

A myth/lie the anti-gun media loves to propagate is “It just went off!” But in 40 years, we’ve never seen this happen, nor even been able to verify an incident we’ve heard about. There has always been an explanation, and a mistake has always been made. Got that? Always, and we calculate we’ve been within earshot of something well north of 5 million rounds, and several dozen NDs.

This is one of the reasons we urge everyone to compete at some point in their shooting life: Nothing improves the quality and safety of overall gun handling like the repetition of competitive precautions and enforcements. Yet, and as we observed here, even the most active of these maintain safety records that are simply unrivaled. A myth/lie the anti-gun media loves to propagate is, “It just went off!” But in 40 years, we’ve never seen this happen ...

Third, haste is the enemy. Let us clarify that: Certain things in shooting—both in sport and defensive/protective situations—require speed, but they always have a connection to the target-only state we discussed above. Nothing else can or should be done in a hurry. Simply, give yourself time to think about safety in everything. Be deliberate in your head, not automatic with your hands. We shudder at our own recollected close calls and note that all were the fruit of utterly unnecessary haste.

Like what? Well, how about holstering? A surprising number of self-inflicted injuries stem from this, though modern holsters and competitive rules are driving this tally (again, and thankfully) downward. What in the world can be the rush to re-holster, we wonder—yet you’ll see it frequently. Where this gets dangerous is if trigger discipline and muzzle control haven’t yet matured, and the finger doesn’t leave the trigger as the sights leave a legitimate target. It’s easy to envision how a gun/gear collision of undue force during this act can result in a bullet horrifyingly near your own femoral artery. Life-changing in any event.

We reprise the words of the immortal Captain Hook, “a dangerous business, that,” and have an example. We knew a fella years ago who gave himself three wounds from a single bullet by combining this with improper clearing—out the bottom of the holster, into the calf, out the shin, into the foot. To his considerable credit, this chap was always generous in citing his own bad example, and we found it a chilling, effective warning.

A rotten reciprocal exists in the draw. The urge to get going in a hurry is understandable, particularly in “carry” situations and training for same. But remember that the trigger mount occurs after the muzzle is clear of the holster, parallel to the ground, and on its way to a target. Whether your draw is from the waistband, purse, ankle or wherever, don’t be hunting for the interior of the trigger guard and face of the trigger until this happens. Breaking this one will not end well either, guaranteed.

Fourth, be “complete.” The inspiration for this column, as you might well guess, is a lamentable, unanticipated “bang” experienced by a friend. The good news: nobody hurt, only minor damage, but a ton of (well-advised) soul-searching. They shot something they were willing to destroy—if only by default during dry practice—and as we observed before, the net result was only embarrassing and expensive, but really so by both counts. Allow us to be discreet in terms of the remaining details.

If this notion of “completeness” does not comport with anything you recognize as a pillar of traditional safety, we aren’t surprised. It comes from another life for us, that of quality engineering, though the precept is better known in the context of self-improvement: “Begin with the end in mind” (Stephen Covey). In our present considerations, it dissects with precision what usually goes wrong. Hold yourself to a high standard of safety, because you can be sure the enemies of liberty will too.

As we said at the beginning, negligent discharges rarely result from an isolated “oops.” In our first example, our friend did several things that were incomplete, and were therefore done without the desired end in mind: a safe gun, holstered. This implies either truly empty as per competition rules—“Unload and show clear”—or a mechanically safed pistol with finger completely off the trigger and out of the guard. Since neither of these were true, aggressive holstering had room to do its ugly work.

In the second instance, the problem was a reload “after” dry practice. Dry practice is by definition over when live ammo comes back into play, so chambering (certainly) and trigger pull (decisively) were parts of a new process. A failed end (to dry work) and a premature beginning (prep to carry condition) combined for serious mishap, and most decidedly not the desired “complete” state to either process. This is also why we—and many others—prefer a hard break of some sort to end dry training; usually, this means moving to a new area away from your dry target before reloading. The temptation to get in one more rep is powerful, and doing so after you’ve re-prepped your pistol for carry needs no elucidation—it’s a blunder of serious proportion and shivering risk.

One more comment on mindset and we’re done. Negligent discharges used to be called “accidental discharges,” and we don’t know precisely when the terminology change occurred. We would argue it’s a good one because it puts the responsibility back where it belongs—on the individual shooter.
In an era where mechanical malfeasance by an unaided—that is, untouched by human hands—firearm is nigh unto impossible, we need to be especially diligent for another reason too: Nothing will harm the exercise of our Second Amendment liberties quite like avoidable mistakes. Hold yourself to a high standard of safety, because you can be sure the enemies of liberty will too.

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2016/11/10/negligent-discharge-the-stuff-of-nightmares/

Regards,
hm
 
Good Article..

When i finished setting up my workshop, my father told me..

The minute you loose respect for a tool is the same time that it will remind you just how dangerous it is. Never loose your respect for any tool you use.


He lost all of his fingers on one hand to a table saw at home when i was a kid and underwent a lot of surgeries to put that hand back together.
 
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZGood Article..

When i finished setting up my workshop, my father told me..

The minute you loose respect for a tool is the same time that it will remind you just how dangerous it is. Never loose your respect for any tool you use.


He lost all of his fingers on one hand to a table saw at home when i was a kid and underwent a lot of surgeries to put that hand back together.

Table saws have taken many fingers that way... Same for trees. I cut for hours this summer clearing some space and the very last tree I got just careless enough to miss a trip to the hospital by about 2 feet. Had I not been watching the tree I would have ended up in the ER with some serious wounds.

Edit: I missed the last bit of your comment... I felt the table saw was a good example before your story...

Really people just need to follow my grandfathers rules for guns. They are always loaded no mater what... pound that into your head until when you nearly point an unloaded rifle at someone it makes you sick.

The majority of all "oops" with guns seems to feature an unloaded weapon. Most of the rest fall into the "can't keep fingers off the triggers" and "clearly never should have owned a gun in the first place".
 
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I had a friend point an unloaded handgun at my face by accident a couple weeks ago at the range. He's a great guy but I just don't know if I feel comfortable going to the range with him again.

I'm really anal about handling firearms and try my best to always avoid situations where they could be pointed at me. I've yelled at a couple people in my life for pointing unloaded guns or even bows towards me. They always say "It's not loaded!"... I don't care!!! Am I crazy for not wanting to get shot in the face? Didn't think so haha
 
i used to volunteer at the local public range.
improper and unsafe gun handling is one reason i quit.

it is amazing to me that there are not more people "accidentally" shot at public ranges.
 
I know this scenario better than most and applaud bringing up the article. However there are a few statements that make me wonder about the authors actual experience or efforts to sensationalize inexperience.
Being anywhere that people and guns mix can be an eye opener, much like driving and cars.
 
Originally Posted By: 6724i used to volunteer at the local public range.
improper and unsafe gun handling is one reason i quit.

it is amazing to me that there are not more people "accidentally" shot at public ranges.

I do not go to the indoor shooting range because the dividers between the lanes are full of bullet holes...


A few years ago I was calling in high winds and temps in the 20's. My fingers were purple and numb. A dog came in charging hard and I fired at it on the run. I cycled the bolt and soon as I touched the trigger the gun went off unexpectly because I had no feeling in my fingers. Luckily, I was in a wash and alone so it didn't hit anything. Needless to say I adjusted the trigger to make it heavier!

The it will not happen to me attitude is exactly how it happens to you.
 
I try to be a poster child for gun safety and I'm very picky about who hunts with me. That being said a couple of years ago I had a negligent discharge. I had my Mossberg 935 slug over my shoulder and when I went to remove it I don't know how it happened but the gun flipped barrel down and went off. Blew a big hole with 3 1/2" #4 buck about 4"'s from my right foot. After 15 minutes of shaking and chain-smoking I walked back to my truck. Scared the crap out of me.
 
Wow. Glad that it played out that way for you VA..

Triple.. you are so right.. I hate going to the range.. It just stresses me out. Everytime i go there, i just shake my head and wonder why i forgot. I helped at a CC class during the range time. I went there assuming that if you are going through the effort to get a card in a state that doesn't require them, you would have to at least not be dangerous..

NOPE>.. I was stunned at how many people have a hard time just hitting a man size target.
 
I have a .45 bullet hole in a metal filing cabinet in my office from a CCW Instructors handgun. He was in a training room outside my office where he was demonstrating to a class of students how to safely handle the handgun before heading out to the firing range. Obviously his gun was loaded when it wasn't supposed to be and he got his finger on the trigger launching a 230 gr. hardball through a cabinet on the outer wall, through the wall, through my metal cabinet inside my office and through several inches of stacked files in the drawer. It happened on a Saturday morning when I wasn't there. I discovered it on Monday morning when I came in the office. When I investigated and got the story I was surprised to hear that no students asked for a refund and left the class! I would have.
 
I would like to call it an accidental discharge, but that only applies to events that are outside of one's control. About 40 years ago I lowered the hammer on a 94 Winchester to what I thought was half cock, but the webbing of my glove between the thumb and index finger got caught between the hammer and the frame, preventing the hammer from being seated in the half cock position. When I pulled my hand away, the hammer fell completely and discharged the rifle.

The gun was pointed in a safe direction, towards the ground and far enough away from my feet, but I had to change my underwear. It made quite the impression at the time and I still remember the incident vividly many years later. You can't be too safe.
 
I really dislike the safety on modern lever actions, just ruins the looks of a traditional firearm. With that said, I guess sometimes it can be handy. When I was about 18 or 19 years old a buddy and I were going deer hunting together. At daylight we left my truck and walked single file down a ridge toward where we had stand sites scouted out in the holler below. My friend had a M94 and had the magazine loaded but empty chamber. I was in front as we eased off the side of the ridge into the bottom. Just before we got to his stand he decided to lever a round in the chamber. I realized what he was up to when he stopped behind me and as he was levering the rifle the muzzle dipped down toward me. I side stepped and backed up to get level with him and beside him as he was lowering the hammer. He had big thick gloves on and wouldn't you know it, his thumb slipped off the hammer and he fired that round just about where the back of my head had been a few seconds earlier. People scare me...
 
Live round in a jambed AK. Can't rack the bolt back with the safety on... In a moment of stupid, the round went into the cement and left a burn mark on my cheek as it went back by my head.

See it in the mirror every morning.
 
I've had one negligent discharge, its embarrassing to admit but it happened. Me and a buddy were out calling and had gut shot a coyote, we blood trailed through the snow into a buckbrush and choke cherry thicket. My buddy had circled down the draw a ways and i followed the blood trail in my 1911 in hand cocked and ready. The first mistake was when I didnt put the safety on after cocking the pistol something I aways do but not this time.

Im still not sure if the trigger got hit by a branch or I bumped it with my cold and heavily gloved hand and didnt realize it. It came as a total shock, I froze and the world seemed to stand still for a moment as i looked down at the crater in the snow and dirt about an inch maybe two away from my foot. I consider my self a safe and conscientious firearm handler but obviously I majorly dropped the ball in this situation.

Its a situation that turned out to be a great wake up call and caused me to be even more aware and safety conscientious then I was. Not proud of it but it happened and the only thing to do is learn from it.

On a side note to the story the unexpected butt hole pucksring discharge did cause the coyote to show him self as he ran away from the thicket still bleeding and I think wondering like the rest of us what the [beeep] just happened.
 
This fall I've had two negligent NON discharges that cost me two coyotes...Forgot to chamber a round. Once because I crossed a fence with the bolt held open (ar15 both times) and the other because I inserted the mag when I left the house, then walked to the stand without dropping the bolt.

Ok on a more serious note, I took my B I L and his wife out to sight in their rifles and practice before deer season on my range, and somehow towards the end of practice hers went off right by my truck. I can't remember where it struck, in the ground or off into space, but she didn't really take responsibility for it, even though she was holding the rifle. Since then I let them practice by themselves when they come out in the fall... while I keep myself and the kids away.
 
Quote:North Carolina
Woman accidentally shot in head outside Raleigh gun show

Published November 19, 2016
· Associated Press

RALEIGH, N.C. – Authorities say a woman was accidentally shot in the head outside a gun show at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds.

Local media outlets report the woman was shot about 10:15 a.m. Saturday outside the Dixie Gun & Knife Classic. She was rushed to WakeMed. Her condition was not known.

Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison says the woman's husband bought an unloaded gun at the show. After getting into his truck, he handed that gun as well as a loaded gun already in the truck to a relative in the back seat.

The husband has a concealed carry permit.

Harrison says the back-seat passenger accidentally fired the loaded gun while looking at the two. The bullet went through the head rest and struck the wife.

Authorities did not release their names.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/19/woman-accidentally-shot-in-head-outside-raleigh-gun-show.html

Regards,
hm
 
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