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Originally Posted By: ChupathingyI don't know anything about Charles Daly being associated with Akkar, but Akkar is the company that makes CZ's shotguns or atleast the CZ 612's.


Chupa

Huglu is a known maker of many of CZ's shotguns as well, several of the O/U and SxS models at least. I think CZ is a pretty big relabeler when it comes to firearms.
 
If you have the mindset to wait for the shots that are in range for a 20ga and not blast at everything that comes within 100yrds of the blind and hope to scratch something down a 20 ga is a very effective waterfowl gun. When I'm not using the 20 I shoot a hammer double 12ga with 2 1/2" chambers and load 7/8oz of #4&6 ITX shoot at very low pressure and have no trouble killing waterfowl.

I'm retired and live in some of the best waterfowl country, my season runs from mid Oct to the end of Jan and is huntable for the whole time, never too warm and never freezes and I live within walking distance of great waterfowl hunting. I hunt out of four different boats each tuned to where I'm going to hunt. One of my boats took first place at the 2004 Oregon Waterfowl Festival in the motorized duckboat division. Duck hunting is what I do until pelts are prime then I predator hunt and duck hunt.

A 20ga is a very effective waterfowl round if you stay within its limitations.

 
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Yes the 20 ga is effective, otherwise they wouldn't make them. I myself have shot hundreds of ducks with them, but when the original poster specifically states "to take 3 chance shots at geese" I don't think he had waiting till they were in his face in mind. You won't notice the difference in recoil-get a 12ga-it will save you having to buy one a couple years from now anyway, and you'll have a LOT more shell options.
 
Originally Posted By: canuroper I have a couple good condition Rem 1100s I found for less than 400.


Anybody have thoughts on stoeger? I see them used for 350 or so as well.

I would agree the 1100 is a great place to start. I feel these guns are under-appreciated and WAY too much chatter was generated about what amount to a minor maintenance issue of the o rings. An 1100 will last for decades with only minimal care and they are wonderfully reliable. Obviously, they cannot shoot 2.75 and 3 inch shells interchangeably, but everyone knows that and back when the 1100 was conceived this was not a design consideration so you can hardly point this out as a "fault".

Stoeger has a new 20 gauge autoloader just this year. The Model 3020.

I've had a Stoeger 12 gauge auto Model 2000 for 6 or 7 years now. I've run 3-400 rounds through it for clays and as a windy/wet day pheasant gun and it's my regular winter coyote shotgun. It's been flawless. Never a jam, never a failure on any loads from target loads to 3 inch mags with buck.

The vast, vast, vast majority of problems with Stoeger autos jamming, "falling apart", or whatever, are operator error.

The spring retaining washers under the fore-end MUST go on in the correct order as detailed in the manual. If they are reversed, the fore-end does not seat properly when the retainer is tightened and there is a gap between the barrel and the action. If the gun is fired, it can shoot itself apart. This is 100% caused by owner error. Reading and following the assembly steps in the manual prevents the problem.

I have seen on other forums where Stoeger newbies have gone on a rant about them being junk and then as soon as the order of the washers is pointed out per the owner's manual, the OP is never heard from again.

I have heard but cannot personally confirm that the 3000 models use a different setup and don't have this issue. As always, read your manual to confirm if this is actually the case.

Grouse
 
Originally Posted By: AWS
A 20ga is a very effective waterfowl round if you stay within its limitations.


I won't disagree with the above statement. BUT ... Why limit yourself unnecessarily? Unless there's a viable reason to hunt with the 20 (and I can't think of even one except personal preference), why would you choose it over the 12 for everyday waterfowling?

I can remember days afield with the 20ga when I wished I had brought the 12. But I never had a day with the 12ga when I wished I had brought the 20.
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Originally Posted By: HidalgoOriginally Posted By: AWS
A 20ga is a very effective waterfowl round if you stay within its limitations.


I can remember days afield with the 20ga when I wished I had brought the 12. But I never had a day with the 12ga when I wished I had brought the 20.
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I have.

After about 3 miles of walking with a 12 gauge that is a 2 pounds heavier than any of my 20 gauges, I often find myself wishing I could have brought the 20. I only use a 12 when it's very windy or pouring rain, but I hate lugging around heavy shotguns, the avoidance of which is the whole point of having a 20.

The 20 is not without tradeoffs, the reality is that a higher pellet count can make up for a variety of shooting sins in some cases. The margin for error is less with a 20, there is no doubt.

But carrying one just FEELS so good. My little Browning 625 Superlight almost floats away if not tied down.

Grouse
 
Originally Posted By: The Famous Grouse Originally Posted By: HidalgoOriginally Posted By: AWS
A 20ga is a very effective waterfowl round if you stay within its limitations.


I can remember days afield with the 20ga when I wished I had brought the 12. But I never had a day with the 12ga when I wished I had brought the 20.
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I have.

After about 3 miles of walking with a 12 gauge that is a 2 pounds heavier than any of my 20 gauges, I often find myself wishing I could have brought the 20. I only use a 12 when it's very windy or pouring rain, but I hate lugging around heavy shotguns, the avoidance of which is the whole point of having a 20.

The 20 is not without tradeoffs, the reality is that a higher pellet count can make up for a variety of shooting sins in some cases. The margin for error is less with a 20, there is no doubt.

But carrying one just FEELS so good. My little Browning 625 Superlight almost floats away if not tied down.

Grouse


WHOOOOOOOOAH. Read the entire thread. I was talking specifically about WATERFOWL guns.

I have a XS Citori in a 20 gauge and a Browning in a 28 gauge that I dearly LOVE to use for upland birds and on the skeet range at times. But they're not a good choice for serious waterfowl work.

And as for your bragging on the reliability of the Stoegers, that's totally lack of experience. You stated 300-400 round reliability over the course of 6-7 years. LOL ... that happens in the first DAY I own a new shotgun. Shoot your "reliable" Stoegers several hundred rounds a week for a couple of years and then come back and tell us how reliable they are. They don't last a month. I shoot regularly with guys who go through several hundred rounds a week, and if you can find a single Stoeger on our skeet fields I'll eat it ... without any seasoning. And they are not present for a reason ... they are NOT reliable and are NOT a quality firearm. And while I admittedly have not been exposed to their autos for any period of time, I have actually seen their O/Us come apart in the field. And not from operator error. When the ejectors break and fall out, or the gun suddenly refuses to lock when closed, or the firing pins break after a week ... that's crappy quality. Heck, there are entire websites devoted to methods of fixing their known problems! If that's the way they build an O/U, I can only deduct that their autos are trash also. They might be OK (and i said "might") for the person who only goes through a few rounds in a year's time, but my time afield is important enough to take a quality gun into the blind with me. A Stoeger ain't it. If you have one that you think is reliable consider yourself fortunate.
 
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Hello again how about the h and r excell
Semi auto for 349 at cabelas 100 dollars off anyone know about these?
 
Originally Posted By: rmanHello again how about the h and r excell
Semi auto for 349 at cabelas 100 dollars off anyone know about these?

I'm not so sure that's a step in the right direction considering H&R's stellar reputation of quality and craftsmanship on most everything else they offer.

I understand wanting a new firearm and having some money burnin a hole in your pocket. Don't be rushed into making a bad decision on a junk shotgun. If 400 bucks is it then buy a used one of higher quality, if not maybe save up some more cash and work with a larger budget. You got some time, duck and goose season is a ways out yet.
 
Originally Posted By: Furhunter

I understand wanting a new firearm and having some money burnin a hole in your pocket. Don't be rushed into making a bad decision on a junk shotgun. If 400 bucks is it then buy a used one of higher quality, if not maybe save up some more cash and work with a larger budget. You got some time, duck and goose season is a ways out yet.



Wise advice. And it's been given several times .......
 
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