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Sgt_Mike said:
Personally ??
Me I would do what I've done with a "new" (used, new, or new to me) and is honestly have a rod, jag, and patch, Fire X amount, patch through, remove patch and jag from muzzle before pulling rod back (only cross the muzzle once, never pull back through, protects the crown). Fire XXX (qty of shots don't matter) amount repeat, whether to used a patch with Hoppes or CLP is up to you, or dry. I'll usually start the first time through with CLP, then dry patch, after that one patch dry after x shots. My reasoning for this is simply to break up / remove some carbon to reduce the ability to "cake" not to really clean or "break in". I'll only do this on the first outing, after that I'll clean after shooting.
The other reason for doing so is "IF" there is any abrasives left over from lapping by the barrel maker, a just in case. Which I doubt they are all pretty good about clean-up.

Bore scoping, yeah I simply refuse to do it, regardless of age of the rifle. As I think it "scares the accuracy out of the barrel". Just a opinion, many cling to the practice, can't say they are wrong. Now will I look with a naked eye, down the bore yes Sir, every time. But all I'm paying attention to is concentric rings of the rifling, and seeing if there is any "hooks". In my opinion it (bore scoping) honestly will show a "flaw" that isn't a issue, now the shooter believes there is a problem, and accuracy does south. Once the shooter does not trust the equipment it will never perform. Like I said just "my" opinion.

While I did notice some things in the video none was in my opinion detrimental to the barrel IMHO.
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So, if I don't look then there is nothing there, so nothing to be concerned about? Sounds like mind over matter. How can an inanimate object scare anyone? If there is a problem it will be shown through performance, not what some would conjure up.
 
22magnum22 said:
Sounds like mind over matter. How can an inanimate object scare anyone?
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IMO it creates a bias, in the shooters mind.

22magnum22 said:
If there is a problem it will be shown through performance,
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Exactly my point... Shoot it then see if there is a actual problem. Without a predetermined bias. If there is a problem sure look down a scope. But looking down a scope first well let's just say I've seen what I have described. The shooter suspects a flaw is a problem, now it is. But give the rifle to someone else whom has not looked at it, and the problem doesn't exist nine times out of 10.

Just my "opinion" the scope can't measure... it's only a visual, and used quite often by "Smith's" to sell barrel rechambering effectively, I've literally witnessed it. It's no different than shooting competitively if I can get into your head mentally, I can cause you to lose. I know for a fact that is so, I've seen some do it to me LOL.

But by all means if one feels the need to scope, go ahead, knock yourself out. Personally to me rounds count and the target will let me know if there is a "problem" or accuracy is about to fall off. Like I said my opinion, yours, mine, and everyone else will have a different opinion. Doesn't make looking down a bore scope wrong or right. I just have a opinion about doing so. If there is a problem no need for me to look further than replacing the barrel, and doing it if the performance isn't there.
 
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crapshoot said:
I guess i was just surprised to see copper and carbon in a NEW gun more than anything.
There are some real rough spots right at the beginning of the rifling thast kind of concerning but not going to worry about it much till I shoot it.
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Doesn't surprise me in the least, especially a new gun, I know for a fact they usually don't clean after "test" firing or firing for accuracy. Think of the billable man hours it would tack on every gun. But Yes, as you stated I wouldn't worry about it, until it's fired.
Having had brand new barrels never fired as they wasn't chambered installed. I seen them have copper streak in the land and groves after the first round. I can only think of 1 barrel out of of over 20 actually be a "copper eater", and give a problem. In the leade rough spots will smooth out after a "few" rounds ( how many is a "few" could be 20 to 200 IDK, nor do I think anyone can answer that for sure). Personally I think your on the right track mentally ignore it for now and shoot it.
Glad to hear the chamber flukes aren't as bad, as the HK design, which honestly make the brass ALMOST un reloadable (one can just expect the brass not to last long as a non fluted chamber). On the positive side the chamber flutes do help a lot with extraction.
 
I did several swabs with Wipeout & accelerator. Also a couple patches with JB bore paste (20-30 strokes each).
Pics just to show flutes (neck only, not in the body of the chamber), the gouges in the beginning of the rifling, etc.

Waiting on a magazine and cooler weather. Then we'll let the targets speak for themselves. With the light barrel I'll be happy with a 3 shot moa group.

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That throat looks nasty. Total butcher job. Might shoot lights out anyway, you never know. But that throat is going to need special cleaning attention for it's entire life. I'd try and get off it right now, if you can do it without taking a bath.

- DAA
 
Oh, dear lord.... maybe I just missed it, but I didn't see that in the video. That throat looks terrible. I don't even know what would have caused that. The bore scope makes tiny things look huge, but it looks like you could slice your finger on that. That's not just a poor chambering job, that's actual damage.
Usually the rule is "see how it shoots first", but I would be looking into sending it back immediately.
Even if it magically shoots well initially, it's going to collect copper like a tweaker in an abandoned house.
 
SupressYourself said:
Oh, dear lord.... maybe I just missed it, but I didn't see that in the video. That throat looks terrible. I don't even know what would have caused that. The bore scope makes tiny things look huge, but it looks like you could slice your finger on that. That's not just a poor chambering job, that's actual damage.
Usually the rule is "see how it shoots first", but I would be looking into sending it back immediately.
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Same Here .... I did not see that in the video either at all. Agree with DAA that is nasty. Call them for a replacement / repair IIRC the price point you mentioned yeah that should have never left their hands.
 
That's what I was thinking. Just fired off an email with video and pics attached. Of course they aren't open on weekends so probably won't hear anything till Monday at the earliest.
 
It is. I was just moving to fast and it's not very clear. 2.39 in the video it's at about the 11 o'clock.
When I had the mirror on, I just didn't happen to have it oriented to where you could see it.
 
Update.
POF said send it in for evaluation, fill out an rma and they will cover the ride to and from. So far, I'm impressed with their CS. The final results will be the ultimate deciding factor on me singing their praises but so far so good.
 
Probably slipped QC, sounds like they are treating you right.

Iv had to send barrels back to Green Mountain and Rainier, both were great to deal with.
 
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