NEW REMINGTON 700 CDL LE 17 FB?

Originally Posted By: K22
If it's to windy there shooting a 17 Rem. and 25gr. bullets out to 250yds. or the 30gr. out to 300yds., then what did you replace it with that those heavy winds didn't affect? The 17 Rem. and its many variations is used a lot out West where its almost always windy.
I've been shooting a 17 Rem. for 41yrs. and when it got so windy I couldn't use it, there wasn't anything else usable either.

The .17 Remington was my first smallbore cartridge and just didn't work well in this area with the wind in the spring. After giving up on the .17 I moved on to .25, that bullet was uneffected.
 
My itroduction to 17 calibers was with a 17 Fireball, shooting at a praire dog with a wind of 10-12 mph. Believing the hype I had been reading I held about a foot up-wind and missed so I held a little farther up-wind and missed again, on the third shot I finally seen it kick up some dirt about a foot and a half up-wind. I don't remember if I finally hit the dog or not but I sure remember the wind part. My favorite rifle for wind is a 204 Ruger with a 39 grain blitz-king, high bc and good speed. I should add that if you are really curious about the 17s buy one and try it if you don't like it there is still a market for them.
 
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All bullets are affected by wind drift. No calibers are exempt.

The following is a wind drift formulas used by the military and for military sniper training. What it simply says is that the longer the bullet is in flight, the more wind drift will occur at a known wind speed. With their very high muzzle velocity in comparison to larger, slower calibers, there is no doubt that a light bullet will drift less at reasonable and useable ranges for the lighter caliber bullet.

D = W(T-T1)

D is the deflection
W is wind in FPS (1mph = 1.4667 fps)
T is the time of flight
T1 is the time in flight if the bullet were fired in a vacuum

Granted the 17 caliber rifles are not normally 500-600 yard shooters like some other cartridges and caliber combinations are because they shed velocity faster due to lower BC bullets. But for reasonable ranges for a 17 caliber cartridge, the bullet will deflect less in the wind than a slower bullet will. Feel free to nit pick this so your favorite caliber or cartridge looks better to the internet world in general, but wind drift is directly related to time of bullet flight, irregardless of caliber. For me a reasonable range for a cartridge bullet combination is how far you can accurately predict bullet drop (a totally different variable) and still put the bullet where you want it to go in a vertical place of reference.

One problem related to me by small caliber shooters is that the smaller calibers leave less of a trace of bullet impact when fired at unknown ranges, and that fact alone makes for harder to determine corrections for the next shot. And the very common inability to judge wind drift accurately for the first shot makes light bullets appear to deflect more than they actually do unless the shooter understands wind drift fully, and he knows how his chosen bullet performs in the wind from real life experience and practice.

With someone who has not shot the bullets frequently in known conditions, unlike RePete and K-22 who have, they will tend to over correct for wind deflection with lighter bullets because of a perceived in their mind greater deflection that does not occur simply because of light bullet weight coupled with high velocity.

Please note that what I have said is based on my own personal experience and the real life experience of others and did not come from reading an internet forum with numerous opinions and biases attached to threads written. Mathematical formulas are, for the most part, totally unbiased. People aren't, especially when it comes to their favorite cartridge or rifle when compared to another rifle or cartridge which they dislike for any number of reasons.

In conclusion, the faster a bullet leaves the muzzle, the less wind drift you will have at reasonable distances for that bullet when compared to a slower bullet at the same distance. If you try to use the small caliber bullet at ranges beyond its purpose, other bullets will overtake it down range because of better ballistic characteristics that make them better longer range choices.
 
Originally Posted By: Winny FanAll bullets are affected by wind drift. No calibers are exempt.

The following is a wind drift formulas used by the military and for military sniper training. What it simply says is that the longer the bullet is in flight, the more wind drift will occur at a known wind speed. With their very high muzzle velocity in comparison to larger, slower calibers, there is no doubt that a light bullet will drift less at reasonable and useable ranges for the lighter caliber bullet.

D = W(T-T1)

D is the deflection
W is wind in FPS (1mph = 1.4667 fps)
T is the time of flight
T1 is the time in flight if the bullet were fired in a vacuum

Granted the 17 caliber rifles are not normally 500-600 yard shooters like some other cartridges and caliber combinations are because they shed velocity faster due to lower BC bullets. But for reasonable ranges for a 17 caliber cartridge, the bullet will deflect less in the wind than a slower bullet will. Feel free to nit pick this so your favorite caliber or cartridge looks better to the internet world in general, but wind drift is directly related to time of bullet flight, irregardless of caliber. For me a reasonable range for a cartridge bullet combination is how far you can accurately predict bullet drop (a totally different variable) and still put the bullet where you want it to go in a vertical place of reference.

One problem related to me by small caliber shooters is that the smaller calibers leave less of a trace of bullet impact when fired at unknown ranges, and that fact alone makes for harder to determine corrections for the next shot. And the very common inability to judge wind drift accurately for the first shot makes light bullets appear to deflect more than they actually do unless the shooter understands wind drift fully, and he knows how his chosen bullet performs in the wind from real life experience and practice.

With someone who has not shot the bullets frequently in known conditions, unlike RePete and K-22 who have, they will tend to over correct for wind deflection with lighter bullets because of a perceived in their mind greater deflection that does not occur simply because of light bullet weight coupled with high velocity.

Please note that what I have said is based on my own personal experience and the real life experience of others and did not come from reading an internet forum with numerous opinions and biases attached to threads written. Mathematical formulas are, for the most part, totally unbiased. People aren't, especially when it comes to their favorite cartridge or rifle when compared to another rifle or cartridge which they dislike for any number of reasons.

In conclusion, the faster a bullet leaves the muzzle, the less wind drift you will have at reasonable distances for that bullet when compared to a slower bullet at the same distance. If you try to use the small caliber bullet at ranges beyond its purpose, other bullets will overtake it down range because of better ballistic characteristics that make them better longer range choices.

Very well written.
Recently I shot a Bobcat at approximately 225yds., may have been more, but certainly was not less, anyway I had a 10 to 15mph crosswind blowing left to right. I placed the crosshairs just left of center on the Bobcat about 2" which would allow for winddrift. When I pulled the trigger the Bobcat immediately flipped over backwards......DRT. When I got up to it the bullet hit 2" left of center. I should never have held off of center and was lucky to harvest the Cat.

Quote:Id recognise "John Henry's" writing anywhere! lol

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Hard to miss his wonderful wit.
 
What is the range of a .17?

Lately I've been thinking about a .17 or .20. I'd like something quieter than .224. Can't remember my .17 being loud.
 
Hope this is back on the subject. We have a 17 rem we are not reloaders and we could not get remington ammo on several occasion.. With a little search we found the hunting shack and reeds ammo..
 
17 fireball ain't cheap if all your gonna do is shoot factory ammo. lots of better choices for guys that don't reload. it'll sell fairly easy
 
Originally Posted By: Harmon I was just making sure that there will be brass available for the fireball in the future. I'm not sure if 17 mark iv brass will work?



Harmon,,,, Sorry if I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to imply that MK4 brass was interchangeable with 17FB. Truth is, there were so many different M4 reamers made over the years that some will, some won't. That's another thread though.
I just meant that it's easy enough to make your own by simply necking down 221 brass or even 222/223 with a couple of specialty dies making brass availability a non-issue IMO.

Again, that CDL's a wonderful little rifle that I think you'll fall in love with regardless of what the Internet commandos say.
Just be sure you only shoot it at an indoor range with the AC turned off to avoid wind drift.

Enjoy the new gun and your new found small cal addiction.

Oh,,, and +1 on the HuntingShack ammo.
It's affordable and well made.
 
Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeWhat's wrong with friends from other states ? I've got as many or more out of state as I do at home.
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I've always thought that communicating with and meeting people from other states and countries was one of the best things about the internet.
Heck, I even made a friend in Austrailia that I e-mail and talk on the phone with.
Didn't realize untill now just how disfunctional that makes me.
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Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSMy 17 fireball loved 27 grain kindler golds and 17.9 grains of reloader 10X.

What kind of velocity are getting with the 27 gr bullets Bobtails?
I've got some Genco 26gr., 27gr., and 27.5gr. along with some H-G 28gr. I'm wanting to try in some of my 17 Rem.

Great news, my newly Lilja barreled Kimber has finally arrived. I ran the UPS dude down and told him I didn't want to wait for him to deliver it. Ya gotta love small towns.
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I've already weighed it with the scope and it's 6lbs. 4.2oz.
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That makes it 2/10ths of an oz. more than my 204.
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I have read all the posts and really enjoyed the information I gathered. I'm sorry it turned into a pissing match for awhile. I do have one unanswered question though. Is repete married or not?
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Great post K22 I have had several 17s in the past 20 or so years. Never had any barrel trouble from any of them. They have taken hundreds of G-H s from up your way.
 
Originally Posted By: bigblock

Great post K22 I have had several 17s in the past 20 or so years. Never had any barrel trouble from any of them. They have taken hundreds of G-H s from up your way.

Thanks bigblock. Where abouts in Western NC are you? Murphy? or maybe around Asheville?
It's hard to not like those 17's and 20's.
 

Come on back down 40 a hundred miles or so....but I had some land in Aleghaney county but sold it last year. Do hunt in Ashe and Aleghaney and cross into Va. some
 
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