night hunting in kansas

Kbarotehunter

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im confused on some of these rules do hand-held battary powered light mean rechargable spot lights and ones you plug into your cig lighter too. does anyone know about these rules. is it legel to stop and spot to shoot coyotes and coons and we can only use 22 rifles.


ARTIFICIAL LIGHT

Furbearers and coyotes may be taken at night, but use of artificial light, including optics that project or amplify light, is prohibited. However, hand-held, battery-powered flashlights, hat lamps, or hand-held lanterns may be used to take trapped furbearers, trapped coyotes, or furbearers treed by dogs with .22 rimfire rifles and handguns
 
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you can NOT shoot coyotes at night with the aid of artificial light. But you can shoot coyotes at night with the use of moon light.

The rule that says you can use a battery powered light and 22 is for trapped animals only NOT called.
 
Kbarotehunter,
Currently, the Wildlife and Parks biologists are looking at a measure that will allow for night hunting. Someone here on the board was working with one of the furbearer biologists, Matt Peak, I believe, that was going to make a recommendation to the Wildlife and Parks Secretary and reviewed by the Commission at some point in time.

We will see what happens. Jeremy is exactly right, if you spotlight a coyote and shoot it, you are looking for trouble, and violating the law as it now stands.

You took the Artificial light section right out of the regulations flyer. Any deviation from what you have cut and pasted will get you in trouble.

Regards,
Tim
 
o will thanks for the info i was just wondering we have had no luck calling them in the morning or evening i wanted to try to night hunt. we were checking fence the other night and out pops 3 coyotes. will i hope they pass night hunting sounds like a fun thing to try. so say its a full moon and i can see pretty good with my naked eye i can shoot a coyote if i see it as long as i didnt call the coyote thats legel.
im sorry for so many questions i just would like to know before i see and shoot it and then i get in trouble.
 
No problem on the questions!

You can call coyotes at night, and shoot them with any legal means that you could during the daylight hours. You just can't use any artificial light.

The best time is a full moon with snow on the ground. I have tried it several times with no luck. It was always in the back of my mind that I couldn't really positively identify my target even in that situation. I didn't want to shoot the neighbor's dog, so I have just limited my calling to the daytime.

I think we might have a good shot at this night time hunting with light. Stay tuned!

Tim
 
will i hope it passes thats in the back of my mind too shooting a dog or even a domestic cat. but theres another reason we should be able to use lights so we dont end up shooting some baby calf or something. what part of kansas do you live in i live in mcpherson county.
 
You can call coyotes under full moonlight and really get along pretty well as long as you have a clear open view of the surrounding landscape. I use an 835 Mossberg with 3.5 inch Dead Coyote loads for it. I am generally uncomfortable with using a rifle. It is very easy to shoot over them, however, until you get used to shooting under low light conditions. I have had marginal luck doing it but there have been a few times when it worked very well. I'd like to see Kansas allow spotlighting of coyotes but I can see why the state authorities have difficulty with the practice.
 
o great bend is about and hour west of me i think.
ha have you ever heard of something like this we were talking to a game warden the other day about night hunting
he said he had a guy that was coyote hunting at night he was using a light. though but he said he would only use the light to see eyes then shoot them with out using it. the game warden said the only bad part about that lie was it was pretty much pitch black that night. he tried to find a loop hole.
 
LICENSES & FEES

A furharvester license is required to hunt, trap, or pursue (run) furbearers, or to sell their pelts unless exempt by Kansas law. A furharvester license is required to trap coyotes, and a hunting license is required to hunt them. The same license required to take coyotes is required to sell their pelts. Unlicensed, non-participating observers may accompany a licensed furharvester but may not assist in carrying or using equipment, controlling dogs, or otherwise assisting with furharvesting activities.

Persons under 16 years old may purchase a junior furharvester license at a discounted price.
does this mean i need to purchase one of these
 
Night vision optics does fall under the "artifical light".
At this point in time, and for all practical purposes,night time critter calling in the state of Kansas, with the intent to kill em', is illegal.
We can however call em'in and take their picture!!!
(Just don't have a gun with you)
 
To clarify a few points brought up in this thread, I am the individual that attempted to get KDWP to see the wisdom of allowing night hunting of coyotes with artificial light. I was unsuccessful for no other reason than the fact that they can't see past unfounded concerns about issues that other states that allow night hunting simply have not seen become reality.

A few for the original poster here.

First, the only time artificial light (AL) can be used on a coyote or furbearer in KS is when that animal has been treed or bayed by hounds, or the animal is restrained in a trap or snare. You cannot call coyotes or other furbearers using artificial light at night in this state under any circumstances. The example offered where the guy used the light only to illuminate the eyes, then shut the light off for the shot is nothing more than a weak attempt to thwart the law for its intended purpose. If caught, the burden of proving that you didn't use the light for the shot is yours and I can't imagine a judge ruling in your favor for that.

Second, if you were born after 1966 and you want to call furbearers, you need furharvester education and a furharvesting license. Coyotes are NOT furbearers in Kansas and require only a hunting license. Bobcats, foxes and coons are furbearers. Knowing and understanding the laws is your responsibility. It appears that this young man is making a good effort to do just that and I commend him.

Third, John is a good friend of mine, but I must correct him on this one. It is perfectly legal to hunt furbearers and coyotes after dark in Kansas as long as you do NOT use AL. I hunt them on the snow at night every chance I get. When done correctly, it is highly effective and I am able to drop a number of coyotes in areas that, during the daytime, are much more difficult to call.

As far as the night hunting provision, it failed this time around, but I consider it to be a work in progress and all your support would be a big help. Matt Peeks did make the proposal but the powers that be felt the concerns from law enforcement about enforceability issues and, of course, that danged poaching. These concerns are no more valid in real world circumstances than the fears that the streets will run with the blood of the innocent where you allow people to carry concealed weapons. Allow me to explain.

In the run up to this proposal, I consulted with a number of people in light-law states, including PM's own Randy Buker. Randy provided me with a wonderfully done 15-minute DVD presentation which IMO debunked the myths about night hunting.

For instance, poaching concerns. On the surface, it would appear that poaching would run rampant if people were allowed to "shine" with a gun. In truth, time and experience has demonstrated this to be totally false. In both TX and CO, which allow night hunting, their law enforcement people admit that night callers have provided them with details that resulted in numerous arrests and convictions because the night callers were out there and heard shots/ saw activity that got their attention. More importantly, I know of no state where night hunting provisions have led to a documented increase in deer poaching. Poachers will poach whether someone else is allowed to hunt that period of the day or not.

In Minnesota, which just passed a light law in the past few years, no instance of poaching has been documented by night callers. Period.

Next, safety issues. In Kansas, every farm house seems to have a mercury or quarts vapor light in the yard. Whereas you may not be able to see that farm in the daytime because of a creek or hedgerow, those lights are very evident at night. I've discovered houses at night while calling because of those lights that I had never realized were there while hunting only during the day.

Target ID - this takes the willingness to not get all trigger happy when you see something on the snow. My rule is that I have to see the entire animal. No exceptions. At that point, I survey the head and the tail. If those say "coyote", I aim for center mass and let 'er rip. When you take your time and shoot responsibly, it is really very easy to make out a coyote on snow at night. My best night shot to date is 185 yards, with 100-140 being very common.

Game wardens will be inundated with calls. Well, that's what they're paid to do, but I have only seen my truck checked one time while parked when I was hunting, and that was by a Sheriff's Deputy. I have never been checked by a Game Warden at night (or in the day for that matter) and I typically hunt anywhere from 3-10 nights each winter. Furthermore, a rifle shot or shotgun blast at night doesn't carry like it does during the day, so you shooting isn't going to roll people out of their beds at 2 in the morning. If that's a concern, do like I do, and let your landowners know that you hunt coyotes at night, too. Despite concerns by the fear mongers that landowners don't want night hunting, mine are eager to see me employ whatever means is necessary to control their coyote numbers. Not a one has told me he doesn't like the idea.



Under my proposal, it would have been legal to call and shoot coyotes (and only coyotes) using artificial light in Kansas during a period from January 1 to March 31. While night calling with AL, neither the hunter, the light, or the power source for the light could be attached to, in on, upon, or in any way in contact with a motor vehicle of any sort, and no calling or shooting would be allowed from any traveled roadway or its immediate right of way.

My reasoning was this: The opening and closing dates restricting when you could night hunt coincide with early calving time and coyote breeding/ denning periods when depredation issues are most likely. Moreover, during this same period, deer are losing their antlers so the poaching issue becomes less and less of an issue. This period also provides nuisance control hunters a very valuable tool for working over coyotes at a time of the year when they're increasingly susceptible to howling and other more advanced calling techniques.

The vehicle and road clauses are also intended to address the issue of poaching since most poachers operate from roads and trucks so they can shoot, leave and come back later for their deer. Under this proposal, it would be illegal to call, shine or shoot from a car or truck on the road, regardless of whether you were legitimate and only after coyotes. In other words, let's say that you're calling from the road and using a light when the game warden pulls up. A lot of poachers would say "We're hunting coyotes." Well, too bad. That won't be an "out" in this proposal. The penalty and fine should still be the same.

Why did I offer this proposal? Because I'm a coyote hunter. It's what I do. And because nighttime is when coyotes are active. Making me hunt coyotes only during the day means they should make pheasant hunters hunt them only at night. Makes about as much sense to me.

In truth, this proposal was a hybrid of the best points of a number of different night hunting state laws around the country, but old fears still got in the way.

If people are truly interested in pursuing this, I see no reason why we cannot work collectively and repropose it next year, and the next, and the next, until we get it passed.

Kbaroehunter, I'm in Abilene, but have kin in McPherson. Do you know any Currans down there?
 
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