Night hunting

Originally Posted By: Dropadoglv
First, I never mentioned "thermal"! NV yes which I have, and only use on very few occasions. Thermal has been around for years! There is no craze...."Predator" hunting became the craze which constituted the thermal to become more popular. Companies made it easier and at a cost that some could purchase! Great! For thermal guy's! Maybe one day I'll go over to the "EASY" side of hunting predators. But for now, I'll stick with what works for me, how I hunt, and stack them up! Because numbers count in my book! Not talk! I may be abrasive at times, and I mean no disrespect, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. I will say this, you best have your "A" game on for day calling, before you venture out and try and be successful at night hunting! Regards, DROPADOG! Brotha.....



First.... that post was in response to the thread, not to anything you said, if it was directed at you I would have quoted you.

Again, the thread agrees with my opinion or I agree with the thread and you single me out, not sure why you want to keep dragging this out.

If you want to continue the pissing match lets go back here, I'm still waiting for a response.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...0324&page=1
 
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I'll say this, then I'm done. Follow us and me on FB! Where the true hunters are talking the truth. You can see my videos and learn son! Have a great evening! Much Regards.
 
I believe there is probably a bigger difference between hunting in the east vs west than a lot of us think, which may be why some of think day vs nite is harder or easier. Just sayin.
 
Dropadog, what's the name, I would like to see the carnage.....we may already be friends on the book as I can't keep up anymore with all this social media stuff
 
Originally Posted By: whyI believe there is probably a bigger difference between hunting in the east vs west than a lot of us think, which may be why some of think day vs nite is harder or easier. Just sayin.

Only hunted out west once 20 some years ago. Shot 2 coyotes and missed another along with three antelope from the same spot in Wyoming. I've probably shot 6 coyotes from the deer stand in 30 years and probably saw another 6 or more but no shots while bowhunting. Do the math.


So does living in one of these states make you a better coyote hunter or just give you more access to coyotes?

http://www.liveoutdoors.com/your-open-season-2/211933-top-5-states-for-coyote-hunting/




From The Nevada Dept Wildlife

STATUS
There is a healthy population of coyotes
statewide. Though many efforts have been
made to reduce, and even to eradicate it, the
resilient coyote is as plentiful today as it ever
has been. In Nevada coyotes are classified as
“unprotected,” meaning they are not protected
by state law or regulation. While a hunting
license or permit is not required to hunt
coyotes, every person who takes a coyote
by trapping, or sells raw furs for profit shall procure a trapping license.
REASON FOR STATUS
The ability to adapt to changing environmental
conditions and its opportunistic nature have
allowed the coyote to continually increase its
numbers and expand its range.


From NYSDEC
How Many Coyotes Live in New York?

After hearing a family group of coyotes howl, it is easy to get the impression that the woods must be overflowing with coyotes. In reality there were probably five or six animals present (i.e., 2 adults and young of the year). A few coyotes make a tremendous amount of noise when they want to. The Eastern coyote does not form a true 'pack' with multiple adults living together like their relative the wolf. Instead they are organized as a 'family unit'. Each family unit is made up of the adult pair and their pups from the current year. A family unit will defend a territory of 2 to 15 square miles against other coyotes. It is the territorial behavior of coyotes that limits their numbers in any one area.

A recent study conducted by researchers at the SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry estimated that there are about 14,500 breeding pairs of coyotes in New York during the summer. Coyote density estimates ranged from a low of about 1 breeding pair/10 square miles in the Lake Plains to around 2.5 pairs/10 square miles in the Adirondack Mountains and surrounding St. Lawrence and Mohawk River Valleys.


In suburban landscapes, researchers from Cornell University found coyote pairs inhabited natural areas at a density of about 4.5 breeding pairs/10 square miles. Home ranges in suburban habitats averaged 2.2 square miles (ranging from 0.5 square miles up to 5.4 square miles), and were located primarily in natural, forested habitats.


 
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I do not have anywhere near as much experience with predator hunting as some of you guys, but I've done plenty of both day and night hunting. I would say in my opinion that day time hunting is much easier. There is less movement for one. You are not scanning with night vision or lights and you can see near and far with no problem. Majority of the coyotes I shot were shot during the day.
 
Look PMack, this all started when we were speaking about lights. I conducted my own personal tests. The outcome was the outcome, with no bias towards any light manufacturer. My tests included, Wicked, 400, 401, 402, 403ic. Coyote light, including the CL1. Nightsnipe, Predator Tactics, Nightmare, Reaper, Killbone, gens of Cyclops, Foxpro and even different models of Streamlight. All which I OWN. Simply based on my personal findings were that the Predator Tactics" lights worked best for a multitude of reasons. ONE main reason, was price point along with multiple colors in one light. I'm not a sales person here! Just a lifetime hunter that enjoys night hunting with lights! For me it's a challenge. I never said that PT makes the best lights, they are just best for me! It did get me a bit angry when you jumped on TMAX about only having a few posts..then called him out. He's only trying, and a field staff position is a big deal to some. For me..I only go with the companies I truly believe in...including my "Sponsors". NOW, I'm sure you were feverishly looking up stats on coyote populations on Nevada vs NY. Of course we have a higher population! Most that have been around this game for any length of time would know this! But I've been fortunate to not only hunt and kill here in the S/W, but also in back east, Midwest, southern areas too. Hunted with some very well known fellas and not so well known fellas that were simply unbelievable killers! I was taught at a very early age by, what I thought, the best coyote hunters that ever lived. "My father and Grandfather" this is not true of course, but at the time, that's what I thought. I'm certainly not your average hunter!!!! By far! Meaning, just because a well known person that sells videos own a certain company that promotes its brand or have a popular TV show is right! I don't and never will follow the norm, just because someone else says, this is the way to "do it".....BS, I'll form my own way of hunting, and my way has worked out for me!! Very well, IMO! And we're just referring to predators. I only hunt predators, 5 months outta the year. My true passion is big game. Simply, because I love it slightly more. I will NEVER say I'm the best, or I know more than the next fella. But I'm pretty darn good at what I do! Why? Because that's been my lifestyle my entire life. I don't know any better! But I sure as heck NEVER give up! And I'm always open to suggestions! So, lets be men about this, and leave it in the past! Fair enough! Again, sorry for no paragraphs. (Phone post) Regards, Drop
 
Drop, the life history lesson really wasn't necessary, I left it in the past a few threads ago. My response was to "why's" post and my only experience hunting out west. It just so happened I stumbled on to NV being the easiest state to kill a coyote, I really thought is was going to be Texas.


I was looking for an answer to this.

Originally Posted By: pmack
So does living in one of these states make you a better coyote hunter or just give you more access to coyotes?

http://www.liveoutdoors.com/your-open-season-2/211933-top-5-states-for-coyote-hunting/



That's an impressive list of lights, what were the tests, findings and the final outcome on all these lights?

 
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Originally Posted By: Dropadoglv I may be abrasive at times

Ya think??

You really need to tone it down a bit. And to think..... I thought I was a "real" hunter.
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Originally Posted By: pmackOriginally Posted By: Dropadoglv
First, I never mentioned "thermal"! NV yes which I have, and only use on very few occasions. Thermal has been around for years! There is no craze...."Predator" hunting became the craze which constituted the thermal to become more popular. Companies made it easier and at a cost that some could purchase! Great! For thermal guy's! Maybe one day I'll go over to the "EASY" side of hunting predators. But for now, I'll stick with what works for me, how I hunt, and stack them up! Because numbers count in my book! Not talk! I may be abrasive at times, and I mean no disrespect, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. I will say this, you best have your "A" game on for day calling, before you venture out and try and be successful at night hunting! Regards, DROPADOG! Brotha.....



First.... that post was in response to the thread, not to anything you said, if it was directed at you I would have quoted you.

Again, the thread agrees with my opinion or I agree with the thread and you single me out, not sure why you want to keep dragging this out.

If you want to continue the pissing match lets go back here, I'm still waiting for a response.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...0324&page=1

That pretty much sums up his attitude and projection in this thread.
 
Originally Posted By: pmackOriginally Posted By: whyI believe there is probably a bigger difference between hunting in the east vs west than a lot of us think, which may be why some of think day vs nite is harder or easier. Just sayin.

Only hunted out west once 20 some years ago. Shot 2 coyotes and missed another along with three antelope from the same spot in Wyoming. I've probably shot 6 coyotes from the deer stand in 30 years and probably saw another 6 or more but no shots while bowhunting. Do the math.


So does living in one of these states make you a better coyote hunter or just give you more access to coyotes?

http://www.liveoutdoors.com/your-open-season-2/211933-top-5-states-for-coyote-hunting/



Although their are some on here that avoid questions as well as a politician at a congressional hearing I thought some one would take a stab at my question.

My belief is it just gets you more access to coyotes. I think that rational holds true on a smaller scale in each state also.

The majority of my hunting is a 30 mile radius from where I live. I shoot 2-4 coyotes each year and 6-12 fox on average. If I would venture further the coyote populations increase as the farms get bigger and human presence smaller. It's easier for me to stay local and hunt more often than it is to have 2-3 hour round trip for each hunt.

The local NY forum I frequent those numbers are average at best. But there is a pair of guys from northern NY about 3 hours away who really crushed it this year, 66 coyotes, 23 red/gray fox and 1 cat are pretty amazing in NY
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. I'm familiar with the area, I fish and turkey hunt each May up there. Always looked great for coyotes but just too far. Almost all were shot at night using thermal. These guys are real coyote hunters



 
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Ill give a stab at answering your question Pmack
I don't think just because you live in a poticular state makes you a better preditor hunter any more than if you live anywhere and are a better bass fisherman or deer hunter or baseball player or on and on and on. I think everyone would agree. The more practice and hard work you put into your craft the better you will be. Some preditor hunters love hunting during the day and put there time in that and others put there time in at night. After the trial and errors they decide what they like best and try and get better at that task.
I personally like hunting during the day more than night but would agree with most on this thread that hunting at night especially east of the Mississippi you will see more predators with lights or some sort of night vision or thermal only because they are tremendously nocturnal and feel safer roaming around in the sanctity of darkness. Not saying that it is easier to kill them but you will likely see more. Almost every hunter says they like seeing game while they are hunting rather than seeing nothing. Therefore hunting at night may seem best when they see more and not have so many blank stands. If i had thermal or night vision i to may say hunting at night would be the best. We just use lights at night and have had success but i have had much more success during the day with kills. To me that is where the rubber meets the road.
The more you kill the way you do it is probably going to be your favorite. I think either way is very fun and that's what its all about.
Happy calling!! However you do it.
 
I think it's safe to say hunting coyotes during the day is easier, for several reasons. But in certain parts of the US, the eastern half for sure, you are going to see way more coyotes at night. So, in my opinion, you may be more successful at night,but it still may be a little harder to get them killed. If the odds of seeing a coyote were the same, day or night, I am hunting during the day.
 
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This is why I hunt at night...I know the odds are more in my favor. It may not be easier because of the equipment but it's more productive. It would be a lot cheaper if my odds were better in the daytime.

Originally Posted By: iowayotehunter76. If the odds of seeing a coyote were the same, day or night, I am hunting during the day.
 
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