Nikon Monarch Reticle Question

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The scope I want is offered with the BDC and the Nikoplex. Here's the thing, the Nikoplex looks harder to see than the standard Leupold duplex---is that right? Is the Nikon to thin to see for calling in low light? The BDC seems pointless to me on a 17 Remington from zero to 300 yards and the "holes" are too big to aim a little critters anyway at 300 yards, right? Does any one other than Nikon do a custom reticle?
 
I just got the Monarch Nikoplex reticle in 5.5x16.5 and it looks just like any other duplex reticle I've seen. I am really impressed with the clarity and quality of the Monarchs. You can't beat the price. I haven't tried any low-light shooting with it yet, but the 44mm objective is good and bright at the highest magnification.
 
What did you mount that on and what height ring did you have to go to? I'm a little worried about the 42mm being a little big to keep a good cheek weld on a LVSF (the 2007 models are now 4 magification, not 3 and are 42, not 44) The one I want is 2.5 x 10 x 42
 
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Does any one other than Nikon do a custom reticle?



Most of the companies nowadays offer a generic ballistic reticle such as Nikon's BDC. Leupold will install a custom reticle that's set up for any trajectory u wish. Go their website, and look around some. There are other companies such as TK Lee that will also make a custom reticle for you-- www.scopedot.com
 
Thanks FL1, the Talleys are a plus. I was thinking of using them or Burris. What happened to Premier Reticle up in Winchester? I'm not thinking I really need dots or hash marks. I more worried the inner cross hairs are a little on the too fine side for lowlight and woods hunting. They would be fine for groundhogs and such, but this is really a dedicated calling rifle. They seemed finer than Leupys standard hair.
 
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What happened to Premier Reticle up in Winchester? I'm not thinking I really need dots or hash marks.



The relationship between Premier and Leupold was severed two years ago.

Premier no longer sells or works on Leupold scopes.
 
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What happened to Premier Reticle up in Winchester? I'm not thinking I really need dots or hash marks.


Premeir was ran by [beeep] Thomas, who owned several patents used in leupold scopes, especialy the scopes used by the US olympic shooting teams (IE the boosted scopes) after dicks passing leopold severed all ties, cause premier was underselling all the dealers (they bought them for jobbers prices and sold them cheap) due to [beeep] having them over a barrel on the boosts.
 
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Premeir was ran by Mr. Thomas, who owned several patents used in leupold scopes, especialy the scopes used by the US olympic shooting teams (IE the boosted scopes) after dicks passing leopold severed all ties, cause premier was underselling all the dealers (they bought them for jobbers prices and sold them cheap) due to Mr. having them over a barrel on the boosts.



You couldn't be further off.

I was a consultant to Premier Reticles, and assisted them in some patent problems... Premier sold scopes for the same (and sometimes more) than the mail-order competition.

The relationship was severed as a business decision by Leupold - Leupold made several thousand scopes with a reticle that was patented by Premier Reticles, without Premier's permission... (A very stupid move).

Mr. Thomas sued Leupold and won. They got legal expenses, and triple damages (a LOT of money).
Premier had no choice - if they didn't sue, the patent would become public property under the Non-defense/abandonment part of patent law.

The bean counters, and the new product manager decided to sever the connection with Premier, because they wanted to expand in the custom reticle business (which, if you have been following the Leupold line, they have done), and Premier just about owned that market with Leupold scopes.

When someone dies, their patents don't disappear, they become the property of the estate, so all of Thomas' patents are still in force, and the property of his family, who still runs the business.

Unfortunatly for Leupold, Premier lost Luppy, but gained S&B, and the military left Leupold, and went with S&B.

S&B has been better for Premier Reticles.

What goes around, comes around.

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What did you mount that on and what height ring did you have to go to? I'm a little worried about the 42mm being a little big to keep a good cheek weld on a LVSF (the 2007 models are now 4 magification, not 3 and are 42, not 44) The one I want is 2.5 x 10 x 42



I put it on a Savage model 12, used medium Leupold rings. It has 1/8 clearance, I have butler creek dust covers on it and there's just enough room for it to flip open.
Have the 2007's come out yet? Last I heard, they're still waiting for the first ones. You can order them, but you have to wait. I went with the 2006 clearance deal SWFA has. Terrific price.
 
gotta call you out on this one cat, I used to go to premiers shop and talk with D ick alot, he was nearby for years then moved to win, when I first went there, he was raising black widow spiders to make crosshairs out of the web, then he was building the reticles for the redfield ultimate illuminator, then he went to leupold. I'd watch him work on my scopes while we shot the breeze. I also bought more than a few leupolds for way less then the catalog houses, saved an average of 100 bucks on vari-X III's and 60 bucks on vari-XII's. In 1996 I had mark bansner build a rifle, told him I already had a scope, he asked me what I paid for it I told him, it was 20 bucks over his cost, for a 6.5x20 silver leupold. So your saying D ick was lying to me?
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No... I'm not saying he was lying to you.

What a person sells scopes to a customer face to face is not the issue - I got things well below the prices posted in their price list. Like most business men, he was "kind" to friends.

But that does NOT constitute the pricing policy of Premier Reticles - his catalog prices were (on average) a little bit HIGHER than SWFA and others, so Leupold did NOT sever the agreement with D ick because of pricing issues.

I think we are on the same page on this.
 
I knew all about the Premier/Leupold divorce and the second marriage to S & B. What I'm asking is if they will work on a Nikon as well?

Black Widow spider webs to make crosshairs? Please explain...I've never heard of such a thing...you're pulling our leg, right?

Maybe the Nikon reticle is etched in the glass...then what?

Does anyone have the Nikoplex reticle and is it thick enough for low light?

Looked at the 4 times magnification 4200 Bushnell. It's heavier and longer, but less money. Anyone have any thoughts on the Firefly reticle? Is it totally normal looking in the day? How long with a light shown on it does it glow...5 minutes?
 
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I knew all about the Premier/Leupold divorce and the second marriage to S & B.



Sorry... didn't mean to bore you.

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What I'm asking is if they will work on a Nikon as well?



You need to call them and ask.

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Maybe the Nikon reticle is etched in the glass...then what?



The Nikon reticle IS etched on glass.

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Does anyone have the Nikoplex reticle and is it thick enough for low light?



I have one (6.5-20x44), and I wouldn't want to use in the evening.

But they have an illuminated version that gives you a choice of red or green.

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Cat did not mean for it to come out that way. Sorry. IS the lighted Nikon a tactical model only? Did not see a Monarch like that. Do you have a feeling on 4200 vs. Nikon ?
 
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Black Widow spider webs to make crosshairs? Please explain...I've never heard of such a thing...you're pulling our leg, right?



Steve, this is the same material that Michael O'Donnell uses for his stadia in the TK Lee reticles. It is supposed to be the least impervious material known to man from changes in meteorological conditions from what i have heard.

Wally Siebert uses Michael's services when he installs a reticle.
 
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