Nikon or Leupold, another please help me thread!

Originally Posted By: Anton ChigurhOriginally Posted By: FurhunterOriginally Posted By: Str8ShooterGreat post, I've been looking through more scopes than I care to admit... trying to find a great match for my Tikka T3 lite 22-250. Do you think that the VX-3 and VX-R are really in the same category optically? I've heard that the VX-R is closer to the VX-2 and in my experience it appears to be true.

I think the VX-R is kinda like a hybrid between the two but leans closer to the VX-3 than the VX-2. For instance, you won't find a VX-2 that has a 30mm tube. I think the glass is really, really close to the VX-3. I've had the time to look them over real well and that VX-R is a nice scope for the money. I think a 4-12 with CDS dials would be tough to beat on that 250 of yours.

I have been researching VX-R lately. On paper it would seem they are the perfect 3-9 scope for all around shooting/predator hunting that I do.

I know you have handled these and many other scopes, how do you like the thicker reticle on the Mark AR/VXr scopes? I talked to a tech at leupold this week, and he said the reason the TMR reticles are thicker in these lines is that they are made from fiber optic wire (for the illumination), and can only be so thin. I like my Mark AR 3-9 for hunting, but the reticle cover a 1" dot completely at 100 and makes shooting tight groups difficult. I'm gonna have to switch scopes on my AR to do load development. I was recently considering a VXR for a bolt gun, but decided against one because of the reticle. I've read the fire dot duplex reticles are thicker than the etched vx3 duplex as well.



Anton,
The 2 VX-R scopes I had here were a firedot 4 reticle and the regular firedot duplex. They were on the thicker side but didn't seem quite as thick as the TMR. Maybe it was the horizontal dashes on the TMR reticle that made it seem thicker. I can't say I looked at them side by side, just going from memory on the VX R compared to he TMR I have here right now. I did compare the 4-12 VX-R to the 4.5-14 VX-3 that had a varmint hunters reticle and that where I based my above comment on the glass in the R.

I don't mind the thicker reticle in the those scopes as I consider them a hunting type of scope. I wouldn't hesitate to use one on a hunting rifle.

Sure you will benefit more load testing with a more powerful scope. Have you considered having a dedicated load developement scope? It doesn't have to expensive, just something with enough magnification to be useful and something you can trust.
 
I have a conquest I will use for load development.

I do like the Mark AR, I just wanted to get your take out my observation on the thicker reticle. If a guy wants an illuminated reticle, I think a VXR would be great. I was more interested in the TMR than the illum part, so I have opted to order a 3.5-10x40 vx3 with TMR and M-1 elevation knob installed from the Leupold Custom shop.
 
Originally Posted By: Anton ChigurhI have a conquest I will use for load development.

I do like the Mark AR, I just wanted to get your take out my observation on the thicker reticle. If a guy wants an illuminated reticle, I think a VXR would be great. I was more interested in the TMR than the illum part, so I have opted to order a 3.5-10x40 vx3 with TMR and M-1 elevation knob installed from the Leupold Custom shop.

Why not just send in the one your trying to sell for a facelift?

I like the mark AR's, I've got three of them mounted on rifles but none are TMR's.. Except the new one I have here in the box.
 
Are your Mark Ar's duplex or mil dot?

I decided I wanted a 40mm obj, especially if I'm going to sink more money into custom options and keep it a long time. So, I'm selling the 50mm obj scope. It's SPF, I lost some money but that's the way it goes.
 
And to the OP, sorry for the thread hijacking. I don't have much experience with higher magnification scopes you're asking about, but the newer VX-2 scopes I have looked thru are nice. I had an M223 Nikon, which is monarch glass I believe, and it was good too but not a great deal better than VX2 glass IMO.

I would recommend making the choice based more on which one fits your wants as far as size, reticle choice, etc. than someone else's perceived difference in optical quality.
 
Two of them are 4-12's. One is a mod1 and the other is an older Mark AR with target turrets on it. Both have a fine duplex reticle. The one with turrets was an older unit prior to the mod 1 series..

The last one is a 1.5-4 on my AR. Talk about needing more power for load development! LOL.


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Someone got a good deal on that scope you just sold.
 
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Originally Posted By: Coyote#1There is more to optics than just the glass! I guess you guys have had a chance to feel the function & see the optical clarity of all the scopes mentioned?

Without going into great detail, let's just say I have a unique relationship with a local shop (not an employee) that allows me to take home anything I want for a review of it. I'm not limited to standing in the store and taking in all I can in 10 minutes, then only to come home and forget the fine details of the 4 scopes I just handled in that short time. I see something that interests me... I write it down, take it home and play with it.

Out of that list I've owned and seen a bunch of them. I've also owned and seen a few that didn't make the list that should have. Others on the list don't even hit the radar. I just simply won't waste the time, effort or money on them.
 
I am really enjoying the discussion. It's great to have access to all this experience. I'm thinking about forgetting the BDC and the Varmint reticle and just going with the standard fine reticle that comes on the Leupold 6x18. I'm thinking that would work well for a Prairie dog gun. This Savage has a Choate Ultimate Sniper stock so it's a dedicated bench varmint gun. That might not make sense, but it saves 50 bucks, or is it worth it?
 
Kam

Those BDC reticles can cover up a lot of target at longer ranges. They also are not as precise as a turret. Going with the fine duplex and turrets in the VX-2 6-18 is a solid choice. Like I mentioned earlier, I put that same scope on my sons new 223 and I like it. It will make him a great little scope to learn more about MOA and longer range shooting.
 
I just installed the 6-18x40 AO CDS fine Duplex on my Cooper HMR for dialing sage rats. Got dopes out to 275 today before the wind got to bad. CDS tracks well and the glass is real nice !

It's a winner for sure...
 
I've really enjoyed the discussion as well, I'm still looking for the "perfect" scope for my needs, and budget. It's great to hear from people with experience.
 
Originally Posted By: Str8Shooter I've really enjoyed the discussion as well, I'm still looking for the "perfect" scope for my needs, and budget. It's great to hear from people with experience.

What is it your considering. What rifle is it going on? What's the purpose of the rifle? What's your budget?
 
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Earlier in the thread there was some discussion about glass between the vx-r and the vx-3. To my eyes, they are very, very close in regular daylight. I haven't tested them at dusk yet.

I really like them both. I have a vx-r 1.25-4 with german #4, and a vx-3 1.5-5 with german #4. Both scopes are very nice. The vx-3 is sitting on top of a ruger #1 in 30/06, and the vx-r is on my m&p 15-22. I like everything about my vx-r. Love the power adj ring. Nothing wrong with my vx-3 either. Both are fantastic scopes.

I also have a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 that I got on sale at Cabela's a few years back for only $299. The glass in that scope is amazing.
 
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Good to hear you like your VX-r's. I'm going to get one at some point. I'm also a big fan of Zeiss Conquests, as I have 7 at this point. Great scopes IMO, too bad they're discontinued. There may still be a few out there left to buy at closeout prices though.
 
Originally Posted By: Furhunter
Str8Shooter said:
What is it your considering. What rifle is it going on? What's the purpose of the rifle? What's your budget?

The scope will be going on a Tikka T3 Lite 22-250 and the intended purpose is hunting coyotes, mainly over snow w/ moonlight. My budget would be up to $500.00.

I've been looking at he following...

Leupold VX-3. 3.5-10x40 - duplex reticle
Leupold VX-R. 3-9x40. - Firedot duplex reticle
Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x44. - v-plex reticle

Each of the scopes listed seem to have pros and cons. I really like a thicker duplex like the Zeiss Conquest/ Terra, but I've found that the thin, center part of the crosshairs can get lost in bad/ low light. I don't necessarily need an illuminated reticle and would rather pay more for good glass and a thicker crosshair that still allows for some precision. Right now my favorite style of duplex is the one in the Vortex Viper HS. It has a fairly thick outer portion and a narrow thin section. It really pulls your eye to the center and seems like it would be pretty effective.
 
Originally Posted By: cedarcreekcoonerI have the VX 3 3.5-10 on my 22-250

Originally Posted By: FurhunterStr8

Out of your choices I'd go the VX-3, maybe find one with CDS and live long and happy.

Thanks for the advice guys, I'm definitely leaning that way... much better balance on the Tikka and a very nice piece of glass
 
I ordered a vx-3 3.5-10x40 with a TMR reticle and an M-1 elevation knob today from Leupold Custom shop. They said a couple of weeks. It is for my 22-250.
 
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