Nosler rifles and WSM haters

BHLBAMA

BHLBAMA

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I have been told time after time on here about how my WSMs are a trend and will be going away soon. ANyone see the new Nosler RIfle that came out???? Please tell me why they would create a rifle chambered in 270 wsm, 300 wsm, and 325 wsm if these chambered calibers are gonna be "out of trend marketing ploy" shortly???
 
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Bad marketing judgment, perhaps? LOL

It looks like those cartridges were created to fill a niche for which there was really no serious demand.
 
hey bama, pay them no attention. I feel SOME of the short mags may die. Let me rephrase that. I think ALL of the WSSM cartridges are short lived, but the WSM ones are here to stay. I absolutely love the 270 WSM. One bad dude ballistically, and shoots better than and plain 270 I've ever shot. Now, as for the Nosler rifles, I think they are way overpriced.
 
Some chamberings have become difficult to get factory ammo for, and some even to the extent that they are pretty much limited to reloaders for all practical purposes, but how many new chamberings have come out since the '60s and how many of them have "gone away"?
 
Here are the indicators I look at:

25 WSSM
No factory ammo companies are jumping on the bandwagon to produce it. Winchester is the only company that I know of that is currently producing it. If my memory serves me right, a couple of years back, Savage had the 25 WSSM available in one of their models (I think). They no longer offer it. This tells you which direction that cartridge is headed.

270WSM
Several third party factory companies are producing ammo for it. Pretty much every Rifle maker is offering it (even Weatherby offers it in their Vanguard line). I must admit the 270wsm bug has even bit me. My next rifle is going to be a 243 Win (in November) and then I plan on buying a 270 WSM next year. The ballistics show performance close to a 7mm mag with less recoil.

To me it is pretty obvious that the WSMs are here to stay, but in another 10 years the WSSMs will probably be used almost exclusively by reloaders. The WSSMs are good guns and I might even own one someday if the right deal came along, but future commercial production will be very limited.
 
I really like the light weight of my Remington 700, 300 WSM. I hunted deer with a Remington 700 7mm mag for about 30 years and did not realize how heavy it was until I got the 300 WSM.
 
Wssm's are good for semiauto magazine loaders like the AR......honestly I think that there's just too many new calibers coming out too fast and all together. It's not like one new round every 5-10yrs, it's more like a new round every 2yrs and that gives shooters too many options at once and only the lucky ones survive while the other don't get much of a chance....kinda like all the new cars/trucks on the market as of right now.
 
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honestly I think that there's just too many new calibers coming out too fast and all together. It's not like one new round every 5-10yrs, it's more like a new round every 2yrs and that gives shooters too many options at once and only the lucky ones survive while the other don't get much of a chance....kinda like all the new cars/trucks on the market as of right now.




Well said a lot of truth to that statement. But I love my all custom 243WSSM and my new Toyota Tundra!!
 
I agree that the wssm are short lived but the wsm might have some staying power. I own a Browning VS 243 wssm that I got in a trade (It was a brand new rifle with dies and mounts), Otherwise I wouldn't have one in my safe. I have never been a fan of the wssm/wsm craze. To me they are nothing that the standards won't do. 150-200 fps means nothing to me as I rarely ever push max loads on anything but my .223. But I will say I run moderate 243 win loads thru it and it does a good job.
 
I think the WSSMs will be around for awhile if for no other reason than that they fit so nicely with the AR 15 platform.
 
My prediction is they will follow the Utramags out the door. The only survivor will be the 300 WSM. The 300 loadings never seem to die out. They have been trying to liquidate all the overstock WSSMs for the last 2 years on CDNN Investments with no luck. Keep saving your brass. Nosler has a good rifle but a bad marketing manager who picked the calibers to produce it in.
 
LOL Dulti..........I believe if any of the short mags go itll be the WSSM's for sure. The 25 WSSM serves no purpose at all except for the short action the ballistics are exactly the same from what I can tell as the 25-06. As far as the Ultra mags I personally dont think they ever caught on. I think 8-10 WSSMs or WSMs sell to 1 ultramag. My Abolt 7mm WSM is fast becoming my favorite rifle and shoots 115 Speer HPs and 145 Speer gold BTHPs .5 groups easy.
 
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Here are the indicators I look at:

25 WSSM
No factory ammo companies are jumping on the bandwagon to produce it. Winchester is the only company that I know of that is currently producing it. If my memory serves me right, a couple of years back, Savage had the 25 WSSM available in one of their models (I think). They no longer offer it. This tells you which direction that cartridge is headed.






Actually, Federal tried to "jump on the bandwagon" and began to produce loaded ammunition for the WSSM. Winchester won a judgement against them and they were forced to stop. That may an even better indicator why more ammo companies haven't "jumped on the bandwagon".

That being said, I too think that some of the WSSM and WSM chamberings probably won't make it, but I think some are here to stay.
 
WSSMs are already out the door and have been for over a year. They just cant get rid of the overproduced rifles they made two years ago yet that they are still marketing to try and get rid of.
 
When you consider the scarcity of many popular loadings due to ammo shortages (military contracts, lack of raw materials, etc.), I believe the WSSM's will become obsolete with factories ceasing production runs within 5 yrs. Why would Winchester, Federal, etc. use valuable production time & material doing runs on WSSM ammo that sits on the shelves? They need their loads to sell at both an attractive margin and volume. Their margins may be good with WSSM's but I seriously doubt the volume sold justifies the manufacturing time.

With regard to the WSM's I believe the 270WSM, 300WSM and 7mmWSM are here to stay. We'll continue to see rifles produced in these calibers by several manufacturers. Shooters will continue to buy them because the ammo manufacturers are producing excellent ammo in a variety of loadings. Reloaders will continue to shoot these calibers because they do perform as advertised. Also, bench and tactical shooters will support the 300WSM and 7mmWSM because these rounds have 1,000yd capability, the cases are not belted, the rounds are short action and cheaper to shoot than the .338 Lapua. These two calibers are also legit calibers for pretty much any North American game animal (short of brown bear), giving versitility to the hunter who wants one short action rifle that can do it all.

Not saying that we didn't already have these capabilities before the WSSM and WSM calibers were born (30/06, 300 Mag, etc.) but these 3 WSMs compliment the niche nicely.
 
Who is to say they will die out as you can buy brass for the 6.5 Carcano, the 50-110 and a variety of odd balls from the distant past. If there is a market, there is no reason to believe that companies will produce brass. The have the equipment and it lasts forever as brass is not hard to form.

My read on the WSSM's is that they are a good cartridge, not for the brawny magnum crowd, but for the youth and women shooters crowd. It has been widely stated that if the youth and women are not brought into the fold then hunting/shooting is destined to shrink on the vine if not die all together. In my view the 25 WSSM is the best of the lot as it makes a fine big game cartridge. For those of you that have not handled one of the Winchester guns for this cartridge, they are light and handle well. Add modest recoil for a big game cartridge and you have a winner. I think a 7 WSSM would be a winner for those same reasons. Do they duplicate what is already out there in ballistic performance, sure the do, but so what. Do people really need a 300 RUM over the old 300 Weatherby or 300 WM? Probably not.

The AR platform is another great reason for the WSSM to stay alive.
 
What action does Nosler use in their rifle?


As far as WSM'S, personally I think the 300WSM is a great round if I needed the horsepower and hunted out West, I'd own one.

Nosler should have the .280 A.I. through SAAMI early this Fall and I think that may cool the jets on the the .270 and .284 WSM's. Nosler brass is first rate too.

The crazy part is the Remington SAUM 7mm was a brillent, balanced round and if it was not for the Nosler 280, I'd rather have it than the WSM 7mm. Nosler loads for it and has brass.

I can't see the advantage of the .270 WSM compared to the bullets available in 7mm. A regular .270 Winchester does the same thing in the real world on game to 300 yards and if you want further range, you need the 7mm bullets BC

A .280 Nosler (A.I.) in a Cooper 52 will be my next planned rifle purchase.
 
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Actually, Federal tried to "jump on the bandwagon" and began to produce loaded ammunition for the WSSM. Winchester won a judgement against them and they were forced to stop.



Mike,

That is very interesting and something that I was not aware of and changes the picture a little bit (I stand corrected). Why was Winchester so protective with the WSSM line and not the WSM line? Black Hills, Federal, Remington and a few others all produce the WSM line of ammo. What was different with the WSM line?

Calcoyote
 
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