Nosler rifles and WSM haters

Im not 100% sure on this but I think most of the WSM calibers came out a couple of years before the WSSM. I know for a fact the 300 WSM came out atleast 2 years before the 25 Wssm but not sure on all of them. Maybe the patent ran up. I figure Hornady will start making some soon short magnum shells soon.
 
I have been looking into the 325 for awhile now but can only find them in Browning and Winchesters. Does anyone know of another company that makes one commercially?
 
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Here are the indicators I look at:

25 WSSM
No factory ammo companies are jumping on the bandwagon to produce it. Winchester is the only company that I know of that is currently producing it. If my memory serves me right, a couple of years back, Savage had the 25 WSSM available in one of their models (I think). They no longer offer it. This tells you which direction that cartridge is headed.






Actually, Federal tried to "jump on the bandwagon" and began to produce loaded ammunition for the WSSM. Winchester won a judgement against them and they were forced to stop. That may an even better indicator why more ammo companies haven't "jumped on the bandwagon".

That being said, I too think that some of the WSSM and WSM chamberings probably won't make it, but I think some are here to stay.




What is your source of information on the claimed lawsuit?

No one else seems to know about it?

The Internet is a great source of information and misinformation.
 
For the WSSM lover who doesn't reload there's Reed's Ammunition and Research out of Oklahoma. Great folks. I buy 243 WSSM loaded ammo for $15 a box (70 grain V-Max). They also load for the 223 WSSM, but not the 25 WSSM.
 
If your not shooting an AR then whats the point. I've not found a 300 WSM (over 180 g.)thats any faster then my plain old win mag.
It's just a ploy to sell more rifles. My brother has a 7 WSM, we chrono'd it against a standard 7mm mag with the same 139 g. winchester supreme ammo, and the standard 7mm rem mag's averaged faster speeds (there was only about 10fps difference anyway). The only possible advantage I can is the short action.
 
I never thought I would ever own a 270 rifle till my Daughter and son in law gave me a Savage 270 WSM a few years ago. I was so impressed with it that it is my favorite bolt action now. I was so impressed by the short mag consept, that I built my varment AR in 243 WSSM.I handload almost all my ammo so I have not seen any problem getting Factory stuff just the price is somwhat prohibative. But that is why I hand load.
 
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If your not shooting an AR then whats the point. I've not found a 300 WSM (over 180 g.)thats any faster then my plain old win mag.
It's just a ploy to sell more rifles. My brother has a 7 WSM, we chrono'd it against a standard 7mm mag with the same 139 g. winchester supreme ammo, and the standard 7mm rem mag's averaged faster speeds (there was only about 10fps difference anyway). The only possible advantage I can is the short action.



Why does it make sense to shoot them in a AR but not a bolt action or semi auto???? That doesnt make sense to me. Are you just trying to agree with the AR guys on here????? Its very weird you and your brother are the only two getting results where the standard win mag or rem mag is faster than the short mag. I personally would check my chrono. if I were you. I think the people who actually make these shells probably have a lot better equipment to available to us. As far as the "marketing ploy" idea either way.......... as you can read in the last 25 posts I think WSMs are here to stay. Sorry
 
What I am saying is that I reload, and both standard cases have greater capacity which lends it's self to better feet per second. If you go and look at Hodgdons web page you can compare the 300 win mag 180g. to the 300 wsm and see that there is a greater number of standard loads with more fps then the WSM's. For example use Nosler's site to campare the two, since their new rifle is the reason you made this post.
http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=15&b=7mm&s=265
http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=15&b=7mm&s=93

http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=15&b=7mm&s=281
http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=15&b=7mm&s=261


If you compare what Nosler found the standard 7mm rem mag went 54 fps faster then the WSM with two less grains of RL 19, and at 16% less load density. Which means longer case life. So I would say we are not the only ones to have found these results.
 
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Also the working pressure is less on the standard mags. Think of what you could do if the 7mm rem mag was loaded to 65,000 lbs. Rick Jamison did not reinvent ballistics, physics or the wheel. Denny
 
MPFD,

Your comparison of the Rem 7mm mag and the 7mm WSM are correct. You will NOT achieve any performance increase in the way of velocity with the WSM. The same is also true for the 300 WSM.

But, The one I am looking at is the 270 WSM. If you will look on the same website you used you will find the following:

130 Grain Bullet
270 Win: http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=15&b=270cal&s=87
270 WSM: http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=15&b=270cal&s=99

The WSM is anywhere from 204-375 fps faster depending on which powder you are using. The 160 grain is about the same margin.

There is a greater margin between the 270 Win and the WSM than there is between the 30/06 (which is a great cartridge) and the Rem 7mm mag. Back in the 1980's a whole buch of people went out a bought a 7mm mag because of the extra power (I know because I was one of them). I think it is justified to do the same now with the 270 WSM. I have never shot one, but the online reviews that I have read say that they group as well as the 270 Win. Unless I change my mind, I will be purchasing a 270 WSM sometime next year. But, if I still owned my 7mm mag I would probably not buy a 270 WSM.

I want something that gives a little less recoil than the 7mm and will accept a bullet under 100 grains. This way I will be tempted to use it occasionally through the year when I am coyote hunting (Speer and Sierra both make a 90 gr varmit bullets for the .277 cal). Before, when I owned the 7 mag, the only time I took it out of the gunsafe was a month before deer season. I paid ALL that money for a gun and good scope and shot less than 20 practice rounds per year and shot 2-5 rounds hunting in the field. I want something I will be more inclined to use through out the year. It will not replace my 223 for predators, but give me an alternative.

But let me qualify one thing: I am NOT knocking the 7mm mag. It is accurate and deadly. Since 1986 I have owned 3 7mm mags. I hunted in Calif, NW Colorado and Oregon with it. I killed Mulies, Blactail, and Antelope. Everything I ever shot with it traveled less than 20 yards before piling up. Most never made it that far.

Calcoyote
 
I dont personally use any of the powders Nosler had listed. Ill go with 2 very common powders on here and two that I use from the Hodgdon Website. The more I looked at 95% starting loads on all the WSM outperformed the Rem Mag. Check it out for yourself. I'm not saying with every load and every gr weight it always will.

IMR 4350 (both are starting loads on the Hodgon website with 130 gr Speer SP)
7mm Rem Mag Velocity - 2964 Vel. 60 grs of powder
7mm WSM Velocity - 3058 Vel. 59 grs of powder

Varget 130 gr SP starting loads of same webpage
7mm Rem mag - 2877 51 grs of powder
7mm WSM - 3029 51 gr of powder

I even checked out the Remington factory ammo website and surely since they created the Rem mag it'll have some accurate on aganist the WSM??? I had to use the 300 as a example due to not producing a 7mm YET!!!! Here is what I found

300 Rem Mag 150gr corelokt Velocity -3290 Energy- 3605
300 WSM 150gr Corelokt Velocity -3320 Energy- 3671

I didnt check winchester but I'm sure they'll show the same results. I'm sorry to say the WSM DOES outpreform the Rem mag.
 


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