Ohio cop arresting concealed carry permit holder...

Being an officer is a tough job.However,no matter if the citizen is wrong or right,an officer with an anger problem such as this one is in the wrong line of work.Notice the other officer,he is almost mute because the first officer is in such a state he is afraid to say much.Things like this is one reason officers don't get the respect they should,and that is a shame,many good men and women on the job suffer because of a few.
I think the officer got so mad because of the mistakes he realised he made,not the mistake the citizen made.
 
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That cop is one huge POS. Jail time and a huge lawsuit sounds about right. I know cops have a tough job but nobody forces them to become cops. If he can't take the pressure and acts like that, maybe he should get a nice low-pressure job like running the "Barbi" aisle at Toys-R-Us. If there's any real justice, his new job will be making license plates for the state of Ohio.
 
I have a couple observations about this clip. First, the "alpha" officer that is driving and talking, approaches the initial situation with his bravado and regular attitude toward the pimps, prostitutes and lowlifes that he is used to encountering on that beat. He treats them that way as he pulls them aside, runs their names and works them for their stories. Not the nicest talk, but probably pretty routine for all involved and a tactic that is probably more effective for him than to go out and be really nice and believe the lies that he gets told 90% of the time.

Things change, I believe, when he sees his silent partner enter the backseat to search and realizes they still have an individual in the driver seat. He walks over and starts to question the driver, as soon as it seems that he becomes aware that his partner is in the back seat. If one thing is certain, the "alpha" officer is not brand new and is VERY security cautious with a good survival mentality. In my opinion that is what ends up working against him since he is already cranked up and has assumed that the type of people he is dealing with aren't the type to be able to carry a weapon legally. Once he is informed of the weapon, he can't see past everything that has built up and it all rushes him as well as neutralizing what has been presented as a threat. His tirade that follows is a mixture of anger, bravado, fear, realization of "what could have happened" to himself or his partner and then eventually that his conduct hasn't been on par with dealing with a citizen that can pass a background check and receive a concealed permit.

I'm not excusing anything he did, just trying to break down and understand a fairly complex situation that was made partly so, by his approach and "hardass" attitude. For a good officer that has taken the "alpha" approach as a survival tactic, this situation would probably be a valuable lesson of the balance that should be involved in dealing with the public, but for an "alpha badass" that just happens to have a badge, they'll never get it and hopefully it's the means to the end of their authority.
 
A police officer will be along to explain how this kind of treatment was necessary for 'officer safety'. Atleast one of the cops would be dead if the guy had any evil intentions. It appears that his own lack of awareness and poor command of the scene frightened the loud mouth officer into a rage. I wouldn't advocate soliciting prostitutes and hanging out parked on dark streets at night.
 
Any officer that threatens to execute a subject needs to find another job, maybe stocking the shelves at Walmart...
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Originally Posted By: crashnrondoAny officer that threatens to execute a subject needs to find another job, maybe stocking the shelves at Walmart...
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I disagree.
That guy doesn't need to be around the public at all.
 
Lets take the situation a step at a time....I saw the video on Fox (at least part of it that they aired) a little while ago..

Most departments have, or used to have, specific rules for officers in one and two man car assignments...At any rate, the driver of a patrol car is the 'officer in charge' of any situation, the second officer is relegated to back up and support only...This places an assigned responsibility on any situation..

Any time you stop a vehicle, an experienced officer will assume that the driver and any passengers is a potential threat, until such time as it is proven otherwise...

Apparently, Ohio requires a driver with a CC permit to tell any approaching officer of the fact that they are armed, this isn't necessarily true in some other states...Mo has it tagged on their operators license, and in my case, I have a badge and ID stating that I'm retired and certified under a federal law....I show this ID upon any contact with an active officer, not looking for a favor, but to allow him/her to accept that I'm not a real threat...

In the video, the driver appears to be holding some form of paper maybe in an attempt to notify the officer of something (CC?). It's not really clear if it's an operator's license or a CC permit...If it were an operator's license, I would have thought the officer would have taken it immediately...But no one knows exactly why he didn't...

The tirade and resulting actions were totally uncalled for, under the circumstances presented, while I can see having the driver exit the vehicle and ascertaining that he was not an actual threat, he should have been accorded more respect, unless there was another underlying reason for the contact that we are not made aware...
 
There was apparently some injury involved as well from over tightening of the cuffs, and the officer apparently did it deliberately. When Mr Gordon says "I don't want to be a pain in the azz, but my right hand is completely numb.", the officer immediately responds "We'll loosen it in a minute". I'm not an attorney, but I'll bet I could convince any jury in the world that was evidence of of the officer deliberately cuffing him too tight.

Canton Police Chief Dean McKimm was also critical of the actions seen in the video.

“I think it’s important for citizens to understand that the behavior demonstrated on the video is wholly unacceptable, and it violates many of our rules, our regulations and standards we demand of our officers,” McKimm said, according to The Repository.

He's toast. The only question is whether his just getting fired will be enough to satisfy Mr Gordon (probably not since he's already hired an attorney).
 
Originally Posted By: azmastablastaThe union will step in and back the officer. He'll be back on the job in no time. Heck, what are unions for?

I disagree buddy, as soon as the department settles with the victim financially, he'll be toast. More than likely it will be well before that.
 
OT while sort of on this subject what is your ideas concerning ccw holders and ccw badges?At one time I thought that might be a good idea because it would be a fast way to let the officer know a person is armed and then he would be willing to see the gun and take possession of it if he needs to until issue is resolved.
But,I am not an officer and do not want to give the impression I think I am.I would not want any officers to think I am wanting to be something other than a citizen within my rights as a law abiding citizen.
OT or anyone,what do you think?
PS:At one time many years ago in a different world I was a Deputy and a Correction Officer,but it is so different now then then. john
 
Obviously he was frustrated, but he clearly crossed the line when he talked of executing the fella. And he clearly needs to find another job before something bad happens.
 
Originally Posted By: WorkmanOriginally Posted By: azmastablastaThe union will step in and back the officer. He'll be back on the job in no time. Heck, what are unions for?

I disagree buddy, as soon as the department settles with the victim financially, he'll be toast. More than likely it will be well before that.

I'm sure you're right Brian, just my poor attempt at being facetious. lol
 
That cop was way out of line as are so many others.

I am surprised that the good cops don't demand these undesirables are removed from their departments. They give all good hardworking decent cops a black eye, so to speak. But there is the thin blue line, us vs them, in too many cases. Just like some cops showing their shields expecting a "professional courtesy". We all know it as the "laws are for them, not us, now let me go" card.
 
Situation was not handled well at all; from the onset!

Then it went way over the line!!

Tough call how that situation would have best been handled from the driver's position. There are lots of ways it could have been hanlded better from the cops' position.
 
Originally Posted By: Coyote JunkiThat cop was way out of line as are so many others.

I am surprised that the good cops don't demand these undesirables are removed from their departments. They give all good hardworking decent cops a black eye, so to speak. But there is the thin blue line, us vs them, in too many cases. Just like some We all know it as the "laws are for them, not us, now let me go" card.

I'm sure that different States Statutes vary but here in WA when you retire as a LEO your retirement ID exempts you from the CC law for the rest of your life. So showing a badge ID just verifies your exemption. I know it doesn't keep you from getting a speeding ticket
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