OO buck?
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It might not hurt your shotgun, but it may not be a great idea for your pattern. I'd expect many of the pellets to be deformed. FWIW, police departments are reporting very good, tight buckshot patterns with the Patternmaster choke. Dunno whether it's worth the $100 to ya, though.
MPFD
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I have a pattenmaster on my Winchester shotgun. They are not a bad choke, thats why I have a lot of 00 and one Buck around. But, I am getting really tight patterns with full, is measures .680", I just noticed after shooting the 00 buck through the full choke the coating, or clear coat they had on the choke was starting to flake off. I was shooting 00 buck, I had just got the gun and it was all I had. I plan on using 4 buck with the full choke but I wanna know wether this same choke is safe for one buck or 00 buck just in case. I also have a extra full turkey @ .660" what is the biggest shot size I should put throught that?
Tim Neitzke
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Patternmaster ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif
I shoot large steel for geese. Buckshot in 00 and 000 pattern really well. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
I shoot large steel for geese. Buckshot in 00 and 000 pattern really well. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
MPFD
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But what about the full choke GC? is it ok for 00 buck, I just measured it @ .685". It is suspose to be able to handle steel, yet they suggest running modified for steel. I shot about five 2 3/4" hornady tap 00 bucks through it and the coating that was on the choke started to flake off. Today I shot over 100 shells through it at skeet and the skeet choke was really dirty but the coating was not loose. But they were 8 shot low brass so I didn't expect them to be hard on the gun.
AZcoypopper
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my 835 has a mod choke standard issue and at 60 yards with 3 1/2 inch win 00 buck it put 13 of 18 pellets were in the body of a yote target
I'm going to be the odd man out here and say that I know that you are choosing the wrong fork in the road shooting 00 buck on yotes, cats, and foxes.
When I was hunting in Baja and Sonora Mexico, we shot a LOT of buck shot at predators.
I tried 00 in a very good patterning shotgun, and I had more runners than I could believe. My theory at the time was to kill them further because of the larger pellets; well I did kill a few way out there. However, I lost a lot of yotes with them being knocked down and then running off.
The thought of shoting them a second and third time does not happen at least 50% of the time, because when you are shooting a shotgun, you are usually shooting in thicker cover. When you are shooting a running yote, he is rolling and flopping at 10-15 mph and is behind a bush, gully, or tree, VERY often. Give him a mili-second and he simply vainishes! You need to have enough pellets to disable him on the first shot; with more pellets, you have a good possibility to hit the yote in the head, neck, or spine.
NEVER assume that your shot on a yote will be in the center of your pattern!
If you only had coyotes to think of that would be one issue, but a bobcat and a fox are not large animals at all, especially once you see the body when you pull the hide off.
From my actual field use, I had rather use a 3" 1 1/4 oz of steel BB's vs 3" 18 pellets of 00 Buck because I will pick up the foxes and bobcats with the Steel BB's vs them running off with the 00.
I have been loading my own Buckshot and BB's since the mid 80's. I have tried all kinds of combo's with about every type of shot size available to the reloader from Ballistic's Products. It is a real shame that F Buck and Regular T shot is not available in Regular shot shells. I know that they are making the T shot in Heavy shot, but my shotguns did not pattern it well at all.
Good luck!
When I was hunting in Baja and Sonora Mexico, we shot a LOT of buck shot at predators.
I tried 00 in a very good patterning shotgun, and I had more runners than I could believe. My theory at the time was to kill them further because of the larger pellets; well I did kill a few way out there. However, I lost a lot of yotes with them being knocked down and then running off.
The thought of shoting them a second and third time does not happen at least 50% of the time, because when you are shooting a shotgun, you are usually shooting in thicker cover. When you are shooting a running yote, he is rolling and flopping at 10-15 mph and is behind a bush, gully, or tree, VERY often. Give him a mili-second and he simply vainishes! You need to have enough pellets to disable him on the first shot; with more pellets, you have a good possibility to hit the yote in the head, neck, or spine.
NEVER assume that your shot on a yote will be in the center of your pattern!
If you only had coyotes to think of that would be one issue, but a bobcat and a fox are not large animals at all, especially once you see the body when you pull the hide off.
From my actual field use, I had rather use a 3" 1 1/4 oz of steel BB's vs 3" 18 pellets of 00 Buck because I will pick up the foxes and bobcats with the Steel BB's vs them running off with the 00.
I have been loading my own Buckshot and BB's since the mid 80's. I have tried all kinds of combo's with about every type of shot size available to the reloader from Ballistic's Products. It is a real shame that F Buck and Regular T shot is not available in Regular shot shells. I know that they are making the T shot in Heavy shot, but my shotguns did not pattern it well at all.
Good luck!
Ackleman is exactly correct...hunting predators is hard enough without handicapping yourself further. Except in a VERY few specialized shotguns, you simply do not have the pattern density at range to get the multiple hits in the vital area of yotes or cats with the larger buckshot. Go with a lead or hevi #BB or similar load....but most of all PATTERN YOUR SHOTGUN.
MPFD
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Ok Please read the original post if your gonna answer. This is not a thread on the effectiveness of 00 buck, and by the way it patterns great with full choke. It is asking wether I will damage my shotgun shooting large buckshot through a full choke. But thank you for your opinions of 00 buck.
OK, Finally found some old data we recorded a few years ago while developing a tungsten carbide shot load in a 12 ga barrel. The test device is a 30" tube with a Mossberg receiver mounted to a test cradle. We mounted three strain gauges along the barrel (I realize it is not the best way to measure pressure but it will work for this test). The first is at the normal position at the end of the chamber. The second gauge is at the mid point of the barrel. The third gauge is .250" into the full choke (fixed choke barrel). One of the calibration runs performed was with Wolf 00 Buck 2.75". We picked this load because it has no shot cup and no buffer. Chamber pressure was 10,100 psi. Mid point pressure was 7,600 psi. Choke pressure was 19,250 psi. Same test with a 1 oz hand load of #6, also no shot cup or buffer. Chamber pressure was 10,900 psi. Mid point pressure was 7,700 psi. Choke pressure was 8,500 psi.
MORAL OF THE STORY:
Buckshot, even plain old lead, will produce higher pressure on the choke than smaller shot. Is the increase in pressure enough to cause a problem....Probably not. It certainly is not near the pressure exerted by steel or tungsten based shot.
MORAL OF THE STORY:
Buckshot, even plain old lead, will produce higher pressure on the choke than smaller shot. Is the increase in pressure enough to cause a problem....Probably not. It certainly is not near the pressure exerted by steel or tungsten based shot.
GC
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Sorry it took awhile to get back to you. Kick's has a BuckKicker choke for 00 Buck that mic's at .680", so yep it can be done safely. Will it pattern well? Who knows! The danged things can be so finicky. But in my experience, usually just a tad less choke is actually a little better. I really like Improved Modified with 00 Buck. Try the Benelli supplied IM choke and compare it to the other five tubes. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it patterns the best. Mine does with both my M1's and I've seen the same thing in Remington barrels too.
viper
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I shot #4 buck thur a .660 in my benelli. Its a rhino tube and I called them first they said no problem (AS LONG AS IT IS LEAD) do not shoot any steel thur a tight tube unless it is for steel. I know a guy that tryed to reload his own steel shot and blew his left arm almost off when his barrel came apart. A few more miles to the hospital and he would have bleed to death. Its not worth it!!
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Thanks, I called Benelli service and they said I can run any lead shot through any choke that came with the gun. In case anybody else has one and was wondering.
Probably the simple solution to any shot/choke tube suitability issue would be to contact the choke manufacturer with your question. There are different steels used in their manufacture, and different heat treating methods that you couldn't really generalize based on choke constriction alone as to whether the choke can take the stress. I have read that some chokes are even made from tubing, with a welded seam. That system is fraught with potential problems if the weld is not done properly, even if the steel itself is of suitable strength.
Thanks, I called Benelli service and they said I can run any lead shot through any choke that came with the gun. In case anybody else has one and was wondering.
Probably the simple solution to any shot/choke tube suitability issue would be to contact the choke manufacturer with your question. There are different steels used in their manufacture, and different heat treating methods that you couldn't really generalize based on choke constriction alone as to whether the choke can take the stress. I have read that some chokes are even made from tubing, with a welded seam. That system is fraught with potential problems if the weld is not done properly, even if the steel itself is of suitable strength.