Opinions on this scope for night hunting

you want a scope that gathers as much light as possible. generally a larger objective lens is better for that. an illuminated reticle is nice at night for me too. I won't knock the Burris scope because I have never had one, but I think a 50mm scope would be better than a 42mm.

also 30mm is larger than 1 inch, thus more light gathering as a rule so some will charge more for the scope.

depending on your budget, you may want to look at what some are advertised as twilight scopes. Trijicon are supposed to be very good in low light for one and some of the guys that hunt with red lights can likely tell you some cheaper scopes that do well when they chime in.
 
30mm tubes do not gather more light. They do, however, allow for different (better) turret gear/innards for more total adjustment etc.
 
Originally Posted By: Shurshotmaybe it is just the 30mm I have but it seems brighter to me. thanks for the correction dirty dog.

A lot of depends on your vision. As we age our eyes change, our pupil gets smaller. I still see very well (at 51) and don't wear glasses on a daily basis I struggle in low light conditions. If your optics gather more light than your eyes can see or process it won't help you.
 
After ten years of night hunting with snow/moon light and or lights the best scope combination I found was a 3x9 or 3x12 by 50mm objective. With a 40-42mm you max out on image brightness around 6x. 50 mm can go to 8x before image starts to get darker. Their is a huge difference between a $200 scope and a $1000 scope when you turn the lights out.

More important is the reticle. I like a 3p-4 style reticle and illuminated dot, your eye will naturally center the red dot on the dark animal, very fast way to shoot. Illuminated cross hair are distracting and non-illuminated are slow to center on a animal.
 
Family guy you're right on. What scope are you using? I couldn't agree more on the reticle and have toyed around with getting one.

From Optics Planet (laymans explanation):

Scopes don't gather light, as most people think, although the term "light gathering ability" has become accepted jargon. Scopes transmit available light through the lenses to your eye, always losing a bit in the process. The best a scope can hope to offer in light transmission is about a theoretical 98%, which only the very finest (read expensive) scopes can hope to approach. Anything above 95% is considered great, and most scopes are around 90%, give or take a bit.

The more magnification you have, the less light you get to your eyepiece. The larger the objective lens, the more you get through your eyepiece.

Aged eyes may dilate to only about four millimeters. Younger eyes may open up to seven millimeters and even more.

The small circle of light that appears in the eyepiece when you hold a scope at arms length is called an exit pupil. Here's an interesting experiment to help explain it. Take a variable scope, put it at its lowest power, and hold it at arms length. See the circle of light in the ocular lens? That is the exit pupil. The diameter of it in millimeters is the exit pupil size. Now turn the scope up to its highest power and try it again. See how much smaller it gets? Imagine if you are using this scope during poor lighting conditions as common in hunting situations, like dawn or dusk. How small and dark will that exit pupil be? How well do you think you'll be able to see through that tiny circle of light?

A formula for exit pupil is as follows: Divide the objective lens size in millimeters by the magnification. Example: if your 3-9X40 scope is set at 3X, 40 divided by 3 equals 13.3 millimeters, which is large enough for almost all low light applications. If your scope is set at 9X, 40 divided by 9 equals 4.44millimeters. The difference in available light from the larger exit pupil is significant.

Also remember that, if the exit pupil is larger than your actual pupil, then you're wasting light. Exit pupil is calculated by dividing the objective lens size by the viewing lens size.

So for example, let's say you have two scopes that are 3-9 power, one with 50mm and one with 40mm objective, and they are both dialed to 3 power. The 50mm scope has an exit pupil of 16.67 (i.e. 50/3), and the 40mm scope has an exit pupil of 13.33 (i.e. 40/3). In this scenario, most of the light is not going in your pupil. So assuming they both have the same light transmission percentage, the image will look the same brightness in both scopes, and the 50mm was overkill.

But now take this scenario. It's getting late, and you need to dial the scope up in magnification to see your target. Same two scopes, exact same light transmission percentage. And let's assume your actual pupil goes to 6mm when dark adjusted. With the 50mm scope, you can dial the magnification up as high as 8.33 and the picture will not get any darker. (After that, the exit pupil starts getting smaller than your actual pupil, and the image appears darker.) With the 40mm scope, you can dial up to 6.67 power without the picture getting any darker. Not really a big difference there -- unless you really need another 1.7x magnification in the last few minutes of shooting light.

Here's info on a couple scopes that I own, that may help you out. I have a Bushnell 3-9x40 in the Elite 3200 and another in Elite 4200 series. The 3200 is 91% and the 4200 is advertised 95% light transmission. In low light, I can dial either one of them up to about 5.75 power before I can see the image start to get darker. However, I've taken both into the stand several times, and looked through them in the last minute or two of shooting light. The 4200 gave me maybe 4-5 more minutes where I could see enough to watch the deer and take a shot if I wanted to. That's on a deer plot with about 150 yard maximum range shot.

I would rarely take a shot over 150 yards where I hunt, especially if it was the final few minutes of light. So in my case, the light transmission number trumps the 50mm objective every time. I would rather have a few more minutes of shooting time than I would that extra magnification I would get from a larger objective. You have to look at your likely hunting scenarios and decide for yourself though.
 
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pmack,
I understand what you're saying with respect to natural light at dawn or dusk. However, I'm not sure that the pupil size theory applies when using a scope-mounted kill light during a dark night. For instance, if I hunt hogs at my feeder at 130 yds with a tripod mounted red led light, I see no difference in scope clarity at 4x magnification vs. 9x (3x9-42 Burris with red dot). So I keep it on 9x. Has anyone else observed this?
 
Pacecar that's not me I copy and pasted that from another site. It has been discussed before and I just stumbled across that while looking.

I have a Nikon Prostaff 4-12X40. I see much better at night using lower powers, keep it at 4X to 6X. Could be my eyes and optics but the post above explains it for me. If I had a Nightforce I might not have the same problems.
 
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i would start with either 2x 2.5x or 3x on the low end and go as high as you can on the high end. Unfortunately, these scopes cost more. get a 3x9 and you will save money..


i just saw the bushnells but never tested it. 2.5-16x50 great fov.
 
Originally Posted By: Pacecarpmack,
I understand what you're saying with respect to natural light at dawn or dusk. However, I'm not sure that the pupil size theory applies when using a scope-mounted kill light during a dark night. For instance, if I hunt hogs at my feeder at 130 yds with a tripod mounted red led light, I see no difference in scope clarity at 4x magnification vs. 9x (3x9-42 Burris with red dot). So I keep it on 9x. Has anyone else observed this?

As long as you add enough light it will overcome the smaller exit pupil size. Same as in day time.
I first learned to night hunt over snow and moonlight (before we had nice gun lights) with only half a moon out, small differences really stood out.
If you have enough light, turn the scope up I would.
 
Originally Posted By: 17FireballLooking for a scope to top off a Savage Model 10 Predator Max 1 in .243 caliber for coyote hunting. Will be using red light. Never tried night hunting with a non illuminated scope. Please be brutally honest why I should or should not get this scope.

Burris C4 4.5x-14 42mm

http://www.burrisoptics.com/book/catalog2013/index.html#/11/zoomed


Also, confused why the 30mm is $150 more than the 1" tube and if it is worth the extra money?

The first think that jumps out at me about your choice is the low end is 4.5x. You are going to have very little field of view in close. Just because you are mounting it on a .243 does not mean to have to go all out on power. Especially for night hunting.

I would look for something that goes down to 2x or 2.5x. Since you are buying new why not get an illuminated dot reticle to go along with it as you are buying a scope for night hunting?

The Weaver is hard to beat ....the reticle dot in the center of the crosshairs goes way down on brightness so it does not affect the effectiveness of your light. Very good glass for the money.

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=WE800704


 
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