ORANGE FOR PREDATORS IN PA..

if muzzleloader hunters don't have to wear orange in the post xmas season, you can bet i won't be wearing it!! man who are these guys? i don't think their on our side any more!i need to check that site out a little more! do they post the results of the Pa elk hunt on there? wheres all that money going???
 
Originally posted by Redfrog:
[qb]Hey if it saves one life it's worth it.[/qb]
Redfrog,
I've got to respectfully disagree with you. That is the argument from socialism and I am pretty sick of hearing it. Ban Saturday Night Specials (If it saves one life it is worth it) Ban assault weapons (If it saves on life it is worth it) Ban cop killer bullets--what ever the hell that is--(if it saves one life etc.) And on and on.
Hunters Orange, seat belts, bike helments may in fact be a good thing, but dammit it should be my right to choose yes or no.
Virtually any goverment removal of rights can be justified by (If it saves one life). So forgive my rant, but I'd like some of my freedom back. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
And I learned along time ago that at least in my state, the game commission is not the predator hunters friend. Probably true in most states.
Again no disrespect intended.
OC
 
Ozark Charlie, I agree with you a hundred percent. You are right on the money. I put that post in to see if I could maybe "Encourage" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif someone to get indignant and write a letter or call someone.
I can't do it from the Great White North, since I don't vote in PA. I do however think it would take a proctologist to find some of the legislator's heads on both sides of the border.
 
Redfrog,
Now I am red faced. I don't post a lot, cause I ain't smart enough to have that much to contribute, but I've read enough of your posts that I should have realized you were yankin my chain. But that is one of my hot buttons, because I work with people where I hear that crap everyday. We fight battles like that in AR every year. One year it was--"every gun in a vehicle must be in a case." Hunter safety, "if it saves one life....grrrrrrrrr. And on and on it goes.
thanks a bunch,
OC
 
If you call the PA Game Commission they will tell you that if Deer Hunters do not have to wear the orange, neither do you. This topic was discussed on another forum and some of the folks there did call and that is what they were told. It might be worth checking out for yourself though.
 
I hear you all!
I was also concerned about the blaze orange laws in my state of PA. Which by the way is a great hunting state and which has one of the best Game Commissions in the USA. I have lived in states like Connecticut and if you hunt, you are a minority! Trapping there is a different story itself!

I called the PGC myself and was told by a nice PA game officer that "No, you don't have to wear blaze orange during our flintlock season, but we suggest it while moving for safety". I certainly wear it while moving to a stand or setup, even at night. Plenty of people have been mistakenly shot in PA over the last 50 years.

In my opinion, the game commission is on "our" side. It is true that the game laws for predator hunting are practically non-existent in the digest. I am planning to write a nice letter to the PA Game Commission asking them to put in a section for Predator Hunting and especially Coyote Hunting. I will include examples of the confusion that the old manual has been causing.

To sum it up, I know the Game Commission is on our side. The PGC is also concerned about coyotes and predators because they love deer and stock small game with "our" money. I am sure they will listen and hopefully respond in 2004.

For those "really" concerned, you can go to the forum "HuntingPA.com" Predator & Varmint Hunting at:

http://www.huntingpa.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB26

Go to any post that has my user name on the left hand side of the page (where I responded to a post). NOTE: My user name at HuntingPA.com is "nrarick" not titanium. You will then find my profile page. You can then click on my email address and send me some comments about what you would like changed in the digest and laws about predator hunting. These may include motorized decoys, scope mounted lights, blaze orange requirement, spotting lights, etc... I will read all! I will print out and send a copy of you're email to the PA Game Commission. So, nice words please! Once again, I am sure they will hear us and finally recognize the "Pennsylvania Predator Hunter".

titanium
AKA: "nrarick" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
If it is deer season and I am hunting predators, I will wear my orange anytime I am moving (i.e. walking to or from set up sites, getting up to get decoy or caller speaker, etc.). But the minute I get hidden in the brush or rocks I hide the orange no further than an arms length away in case I see someone.
I don't like the idea of walking around with no orange on if deer hunters are around /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
yoteblaster243
The concern here is orange being worn all the time not just deer season.
I do not know of any body that really hunts fox or coyotes during day light wile the regular fire arm antlered deer seasons.
I do not think you would call much in during day light except some hunters or a game warden in trying to figure out what the h*** that noise is.
 
One other thing to add. Last year, the comission required predator hunters to wear fo 2 hours before and 2 hours after daylight. There reasoning is to curb deer poachers. Do not ask me how that is suposed to curb poaching.
The new language proposed for 04 is fo all the time, no matter what. Now, for all those who are thinking saftey, go to the pa comission and look at the stats for hunting insidents involving predator hunters. Almost non existant!

If anyone here has a few moments, drop a letter in the mail to your comissioner and let him know how you feel about fo! The comissioners are the ones who make the rules. Most of them have never hunted predators and do not know the deal. We need to educate them on our sport!
 
Hey BUCKWHEAT!
We can only hunt during DAYLIGHT down here. And I just killed a bobcat yesterday evening just 25 yards from me DURING deer season with my orange with me. Yea, you can do it but get rid of that orange when you start to call. Good luck guys /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Beagler may have hit it. In Michigan everybody carrying a gun has to wear orange but the hikers, bird watchers, dog walker,... no orange for them. They don't have the guns to shoot back???

I wear the orange in and out. Stash it close by when on the stand incase someone comes along.

Skinner 2
 
Well, lets start off with this, it is the intent of the PA game commission to regulate the hunting of our wildlife, that being said, Titanium, thank you for your kind words, and the only thing you might want to check on is the gun mounted light thing, the wording is tricky on this, it says nothing that projects a beam onto the target but this fals a little short of the exact meaning, they are meaning sights. The use of lights is a different item totally. We in our district have NEVER cited ANYONE for a gun mounted light. I am NOT saying it has not happened. As for the orange requirment, the orange for predator hunting is NO tighter that the current big game season, ie if it is the first of buck season you gotta wear it. flintlock hunters don't need it neither do you. as for the proposal for orange for everyone next year the last official letter I got said it had been shot down totally by our Commissioners, they brought in a bag with about 2001 letters in it and said these are against the new fl. orange regs. took 1 letter off the top and said this ONE is for it, point made. Skinner as for your idea of orange for hunters and no one else, well that has been taken care of also, anyone and I repeat ANYONE using STATE GAME LANDS for any reason must wear the fl. orange. This includes hikers, bird watchers, bikers, or anyone for any reason. there are dates each year now that this takes effect, example nov 15- jan 15. This was just an example but it was set to include all the very major seasons. This law is new on the books and should help prove the orange is not for locating the hunters but for the safety of all those enjoying the outdoors.
 
Where in here is furtakers given the exception?

HARRISBURG - Responding to input from a broad cross-section of hunters, the Pennsylvania Board of Game Commissioners adopted a slate of regulatory changes that simplify and consolidate the Commonwealth's existing hunter fluorescent orange requirements. The action significantly changed the proposal given preliminary approval by the Board in June, but will reflect much of the current orange requirements.

The regulatory changes, a product of deliberations initiated by the Board of Game Commissioners' Law Enforcement Committee, will revise and update nine different subsections of Title 58 to complement laws contained in the state Game and Wildlife Code.

"The steps taken by the Board of Game Commissioners today will help streamline and standardize our fluorescent orange regulations," noted Mike Dubaich, Game Commission Bureau of Law Enforcement director. "We're confident hunters will have little problem adjusting to them."

With a few exceptions, the adopted regulations require hunters to wear at least 250 square inches of fluorescent orange clothing on the head, chest and back combined - visible in a 360 degree arc - when they hunt, or assist to hunt any game or wildlife, or move to or from a hunting location, from one hour before legal hunting hours to one hour after legal hunting hours, outside a motorized vehicle.

The exceptions are:

You may hunt waterfowl, doves and crows without wearing fluorescent orange. In addition, hunters participating in the post-Christmas flintlock muzzleloader season are not required to wear fluorescent orange clothing.

During the first two weeks of early archery season, bowhunters are not required to wear fluorescent orange material. When the early archery season overlaps with the October muzzleloader season/special antlerless firearms seasons, archers are required to wear 250 square inches of fluorescent orange clothing while moving about or relocating. They may remove their orange clothing and place 100 square inches of fluorescent orange material within 15 feet of their location when on stand. Finally, when the early archery season runs concurrently with the fall turkey season, archers must wear a hat containing a minimum of 100 square inches of solid fluorescent orange material while moving about or relocating. The orange hat may be removed when the hunter is stationary, or on stand.

During the fall turkey season in Wildlife Management Units 1A, 1B, 2A, 2B, 5B, 5C and 5D, and during the statewide spring gobbler season, hunters must wear a hat containing a minimum of 100 square inches of solid fluorescent orange material while moving about or relocating. The orange hat may be removed when the hunter is stationary, or on stand. In all other Wildlife Management Units (2C, 2D, 2E, 2F, 2G, 3A, 3B, 3C, 3D, 4A, 4B, 4C, 4D, 4E, and 5A), fall turkey hunters must wear 250 square inches of fluorescent orange clothing while moving about or relocating. They may remove their orange clothing and place 100 square inches of fluorescent orange material within 15 feet of their location when on stand.

"The Game Commission would like to remind hunters that these new regulations will not go into effect until the 2004-2005 hunting seasons," Dubaich emphasized. "You really don't have to be concerned with them until after you've purchased your next hunting license."
 
Whtnite, that was not my idea of just hunters wearing orange. That is the state of Michigan who set it up. Guess people with guns only shoot people with guns by accident. I person can legally wear a brown fur coat and go birdwatching on state land during the prime of deer gunseason. Actually overall alot of Michigans laws are set up to make it against the hunters. By this I mean we are forced to use weapons that are less than addiquate for taking predators (rimfire and birdshot) because someone my poach a deer. Reading the Michigan DNR briefing these same poachers are not following any laws to begin with.

Skinner 2
 
Here in Illinois we have to wear orange when bird hunting...even a hat or cap! When deer hunting it's the same, only we can't hunt predators at all during deer seasons(several split weekends).

We often ride our horses on conservation ground and during deer seasons we are required to wear orange hats or caps then. I don't feel safe at all even being in the woods during deer season and no longer hunt or ride at those times! There has been a drop in accidental shootings since this was put in place many,many years ago...not saying I agree, but does work.

Nikonut /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

P.S. The horses don't have to wear orange, that's probably next! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Gentlemen,
Please pardon my ignorance when it comes to this topic.If I were to go out calling fox/coyote tomorrow here in pa during daylight hours,would I be required to wear 250sq inches of orange on the head,chest and back combined?The wording in the rulebook is very vague on various issues here in pa.I'm not even going to get started on gun mounted lights. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 


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