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So how is it the GPS was involved in the citation. I believe that is what this thread was about. It is obvious that you are not aloud to bail out of a vehicle to shoot an animal. Somehow there are a few folks that think that is how it is done. I for one follow the dogs one foot most of the time or find a crossing before the dogs are even cast to watch. It drives me nuts when folks try and paint a broad picture of certain tactics that they either seen one time, or have been told by so and so. Seems to me there is a jealousy issue and some one is trying to do away with a fantastic tool that houndsmen have, or trying to do away with hound hunting in general. Everyone is going to have their own opinion. As long as laws are followed there should not be an issue. If they are not followed they will get caught as they should. Now please stop with the nonsense we can all read the laws.
 
Originally Posted By: tntelkhntrCherry picking?? Seems like you do that very well on your own. By your very own interpretation of the law, just getting into your vehicle to go hunting is breaking the law. After all, it's aiding in the pursuit and harvest of game by transporting you to where you hunt. You can call Harrisburg and tell your story the way you want to get the answers you want. For someone who doesn't like hound hunters you seem to have a big mouth know it all attitude on something you don't do. As far as turning dogs loose on tracks, they are considered under control while on the track, even if they chase the quarry through your precious camp yard. If you don't hunt tournaments why was it part of your rant?

It's easy to tell who your are. You're a jealous pompous [beeep] who see's other groups of hunters who are more successful than you an unfair competitor, and BY GOD you'll put an end to that.

Having run hounds for the last 40 years here in Pa. I guarantee I know the laws on running hounds better than you. Completely understand the legal use of radios and GPS too.

Next you'll being crying about the hounds barking because they are telling the hunter where they are and where they are going. Seems [beeep] unfair. You see the hounds on the track giving tongue to the chase is how it's done!!!



When you travel in vehicle looking for tracks or try to locate animals to hunt before you get to your destination where you plan to hunt is considered road hunting in PA. Plain and simple. Against the law. Stupid law but it is still the law. You are so wronng about the jealous part. I am a stong believer in our rights as land owner. When the signs read no tresspassing it seems like the hound hunters dont give a rats arse about them signs. When your dogs tresspass you also tresspass.
This is not out west where you got miles of miles of open property to run dogs.

You call harrisburg and ask them if it is legal to track your hounds with a gps collar on while it is chasing game,then get back to us sunshine. Until then, you dont have a clue about what the law is and the purpose of the GPS collar on hounds are for. Again read the intentions of the GPS from the law I have posted on previous page. It's not hard to figure out there. But call HQ and let them help you understand it. Good day.
 
I don't get it. Why do you need a collar why the dogs are running track. THEY ARE BARKING. The collar is for when they are not. Apparently you only read and think what you want. You can call Harrisburg and ask a question anyway you want the get the answer you desire. Thing is we talk to our WCO frequently. They know how we are hunting and since we know what the laws are we have no trouble. You need to forget about this. Maybe there is a group where you live that doesn't follow the rules, but quit throwing everyone in that pot. I am done now because you will never quit your whining.
 
I stand by my previous post. We understand the law and the usage of the GPS and radios. You're the one attacking the entire hound hunting community as if every single hunter that uses one is breaking the law.

As far as the hounds on private property, you're making up your own laws now. The PGC doesn't enforce tresspass violations, the state police do. Anytime I run into a situation with a landowner who is irate and doesn't want to believe what I try to explain to them, rather than argue, I invite them to call the state police. A couple have made the call and the results are always the same. Hounds in pursuit of game do not constitute tresspassing, only if a hunter enters the property can there be tresspass charges filed.
Nobody starts a hunt with the intentions of running game on private land, but until my dogs learn to read we deal with it and still respect the landowners.

That SUNSHINE, is from the Pa. State Police.

Since I like to call game from time to time, I'm not attacking the calling community, but let's look at the electronics used to pursue and harvest game in this style of hunting. First we have the electronic call with a remote and hundreds of animal calls with the push of a button.. next we have the gun or scope mounted kill light with its own remote switch, not to mention the hand held or head mounted scan light. Also many use a nasty GPS to mark their spots or a shot where they couldn't find the animal. And some even maintain baitpiles with trail cameras so they can see if anything is coming to it so they know when to go call at it. Forgot one,battery powered illuminated reticles in the scopes.

And they even drive vehicles to these spots!
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As far as I know all this is legal, but I don't go on the forums accusing hunters of abusing the way its done.

The same for the dog GPS system they are legal...


 
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Originally Posted By: tntelkhntr We understand the law and the usage of the GPS and radios. You're the one attacking the entire hound hunting community as if every single hunter that uses one is breaking the law.

Nobody starts a hunt with the intentions of running game on private land, but until my dogs learn to read we deal with it and still respect the landowners.

I don't go on the forums accusing hunters of abusing the way its done.

The same for the dog GPS system they are legal...




+1 Well said my friend. I smell a troll.
I've been running beagles on cottontail/hare since I was a kid with my dad. He always had foxhounds as well when I was growing up. I wished we had GPS units back then. Way better than leaving a blanket out and hoping the hounds were there the next day (which most of the time they were). We started running coyote when they started popping up in the late 80's/ early 90's. I wouldn't run a hound without some type of telemetry these days.
Why do these post always appear around the time of "money hunts"?
Sorry for being redundant.
 
I just hope it doesn't snow this weekend, I may have a snowball's chance in he!! of winning a contest or two! Real tough to compete with the hound hunters, but I welcome the challenge. If I coulda got every one I called in I woulda been real close to their numbers.
 
Originally Posted By: mtncurhunterI don't get it. Why do you need a collar why the dogs are running track. THEY ARE BARKING. youre right, you dont get it at all
 
Originally Posted By: tntelkhntrI stand by my previous post. We understand the law and the usage of the GPS and radios. You're the one attacking the entire hound hunting community as if every single hunter that uses one is breaking the law.

As far as the hounds on private property, you're making up your own laws now. The PGC doesn't enforce tresspass violations, the state police do. Anytime I run into a situation with a landowner who is irate and doesn't want to believe what I try to explain to them, rather than argue, I invite them to call the state police. A couple have made the call and the results are always the same. Hounds in pursuit of game do not constitute tresspassing, only if a hunter enters the property can there be tresspass charges filed.
Nobody starts a hunt with the intentions of running game on private land, but until my dogs learn to read we deal with it and still respect the landowners.

That SUNSHINE, is from the Pa. State Police.

Since I like to call game from time to time, I'm not attacking the calling community, but let's look at the electronics used to pursue and harvest game in this style of hunting. First we have the electronic call with a remote and hundreds of animal calls with the push of a button.. next we have the gun or scope mounted kill light with its own remote switch, not to mention the hand held or head mounted scan light. Also many use a nasty GPS to mark their spots or a shot where they couldn't find the animal. And some even maintain baitpiles with trail cameras so they can see if anything is coming to it so they know when to go call at it. Forgot one,battery powered illuminated reticles in the scopes.

And they even drive vehicles to these spots!
scared.gif


As far as I know all this is legal, but I don't go on the forums accusing hunters of abusing the way its done.

The same for the dog GPS system they are legal...




So your to say you never look at your radio to see where the dogs are heading to head them off when they are on a track? Your on foot 100% of the time and never have your buddys pick you up at a crossing or call them on a device and tell them to head there? BS



Who said anything about the pgc enforcing the tresspassing law? Might wanna go read that again? And yes,that dog is part of you and you should be in charge and control of that dog at all times. That animal that tresspasses is your resposibility. Again a dog owner shall have control of his dog at all times.

I would call the police then call a lawyer and prove that BS wrong in a court of law.

Waite your a SP, I dont give a rats arse.


All those things you mentioned about Ecallers and mounted lights to CALL animals in are legal. As far as I know, FOXPRO hasnt came up with a mechanical dog to chase the animal down.


Now,call the HQ and tell them you have a GPS on your dog and your useing it to track your hounds while it is in pursuit of game animals. Then you will know if it is legal or not. You dont want that doubt hanging in your mind being a SP officer now do ya? Call them and clear that matter up once and for all for us all. If your that sure that its legal.Call them. I invite you to call, HQ. just because your a SP doesnt mean you know all the laws.



One more thing, Alot of people buy property now so they can have some land to hunt, and have say so over it. Again as being a SP officer your dog not being able to read has anything to do with it. If you know the laws in PA. A person does not have to have signs up for it to be illegal to tresspass on. That again is anothers resposbility and not the landowners when it comes to boundry line.
Also I believe you know the law that requires all dog owners to be in control of their dogs at all times. And these are not made up laws.
 
Just the idea that you all know now that useing the GPS to track dogs while on game animals is illegal. As long as that thought is in your head somewhere. My goal has been acomplished. Good luck in your tournaments though and on any tests they might give the winners at the end.
 
If you know of a place that teaches dogs to read please let us all know. Yes dogs run onto private property with posted signs. Sadly in todays world people are'nt kind, gracious, and happy. Instead today world is snide, angry, and petty to the point where a land owner will get irate about a dog pursing its game across their property? Todays world is filled with those people who believe they're better than the "common man" who hunts, fishes, and still has good times with their kids outdoors instead of with their Ipod, Xbox, or cell phone. Those same people are the reason we're in debt as a nation up to our knecks, god is out of schools and gays are in them. The reason a kid can be suspended for throwing a fake grenade while playing hero on a playground. The reason crime is up and church is down. The reason children cant have a real halloween party and Christmas is now Xmas.


Yes the land owner has rights on their property. Every person has the same rights and choices, to either be a gracious citizen or be a prick. That is your right. But remember when this nation fails I assure you it will not be because of the decions made by those gracious citizens that, hunt, fish, pray, interact with their kids FACE to face, and go to Church. It will fall on the petty like yourself.
 
Originally Posted By: Predatorking

Yes the land owner has rights on their property. Every person has the same rights and choices, to either be a gracious citizen or be a prick. That is your right. But remember when this nation fails I assure you it will not be because of the decions made by those gracious citizens that, hunt, fish, pray, interact with their kids FACE to face, and go to Church. It will fall on the petty like yourself.

Yes blame it on the person who wants to have say so over the land of what they allow and dont.
Blame it on me because dogs are not allowed to locate game for their masters with a tracking device on. Yes,Its all our fault. Thats the reason kids play video games all the time you say.

Well maybe Obama will pass a law to allow houndsmen to tresspass with their dogs anytime to prevent the kids from playing video games so much..

I am the reason or we are the reason why kids play video games all the time. Because we respect our rights as americans.

I like that, That is pretty good. But you forgot about the gracious and curtious about asking before you or your hound tresspass. You don't tresspass first then get caught then ask for permission or say I am sorry or take the chance and do or allow so.. You do it before hand and maybe then you might get permission. But to assume it is all right,especially if you dont know the persons of such property,save your BS for someone else. Your nation might fail,but my nation will not.

Oh just checked the link again from above, HPA. Seems like everything I posted is correct. Go figure that one out. Even the SP thought he knew all the laws, Not. Cant believe its that easy to be a SP in PA when you dont have to know the laws.
 
Originally Posted By: predyotevarmintI wish I was as good as calling in coyotes as I am with these new posters. I would have a field day. LMAO

Seems to me you are pretty new. Tell you what smart guys like you don't last long around here. WE all come toegher and RUN your type off.

The laws can be twisted any way you want. Most state game people will tell your type whatever you want to hear so you LEAVE THEM ALONE.

OH YEAH GO AWAY.
 
Originally Posted By: predyotevarmintOriginally Posted By: Predatorking

Yes the land owner has rights on their property. Every person has the same rights and choices, to either be a gracious citizen or be a prick. That is your right. But remember when this nation fails I assure you it will not be because of the decions made by those gracious citizens that, hunt, fish, pray, interact with their kids FACE to face, and go to Church. It will fall on the petty like yourself.

Yes blame it on the person who wants to have say so over the land of what they allow and dont.
Blame it on me because dogs are not allowed to locate game for their masters with a tracking device on. Yes,Its all our fault. Thats the reason kids play video games all the time you say.

Well maybe Obama will pass a law to allow houndsmen to tresspass with their dogs anytime to prevent the kids from playing video games so much..

I am the reason or we are the reason why kids play video games all the time. Because we respect our rights as americans.

I like that, That is pretty good. But you forgot about the gracious and curtious about asking before you or your hound tresspass. You don't tresspass first then get caught then ask for permission or say I am sorry or take the chance and do or allow so.. You do it before hand and maybe then you might get permission. But to assume it is all right,especially if you dont know the persons of such property,save your BS for someone else. Your nation might fail,but my nation will not.

Oh just checked the link again from above, HPA. Seems like everything I posted is correct. Go figure that one out. Even the SP thought he knew all the laws, Not. Cant believe its that easy to be a SP in PA when you dont have to know the laws.

Hmmmm. Guess I missed the part where I said it was alright to trespass without asking. Thats something we never do. There are times the hounds get on property we dont have permission to hunt and there is nothing illegal about that. To top it off the LAW says we cant track them while hunting so how exactly do you propose we get to the spot they're going to cross into the section we cant hunt if we're not allowed to communicate that to our hunting partners.

The gracious part comes in when guys accidentally get into a section they dont want to be and the land owner doesnt have a seizure over the ordeal. We never intentionally go somewhere we dont have permission to hunt. Your arrogance, combined with your ignorance is pretty amusing.

You're just impossible. Somehow we need to stay the [beeep] off so and so property but we're not allowed to look at our trackers and tell someone over a radio or cell phone where to get to cut them off? LOL ok.... Please get a life. I thank the Lord every day I live in Missouri where our conservation agents have a brain and dont listen to fools like yourself.
 
I love the part about the dog being an extension of you and your supposed to be in control of them at all times. Thats [beeep] hilarious. Be in control of an animal that will pursue its game wherever the WILD ANIMAL takes it, be in control of it without looking at your tracker and you cant use a vehicle to keep up with it.....Anybody here have an extra set of f*@king wings I can borrow so I can coyote hunt? Just when I think I've met the bottom of the barrel stupid some guy jumps up and proves me wrong.
 
most of the ones around here won't listen to guys like that. My buddy hunts with some hound guys and he has told me numerous times how the wco's will check them one at a time so the other guy can still watch for the yote. the have all been checked and have never been fined for their gps collars. They usually run on sundays, which is my only day off, so I usually opt for calling. They seem to be amazed that I have actually called a few in, let alone killed 3. I don't think I'd really like hunting that way(won't know til I try it) but I sure won't put them down for ridding us of the dang things.
 
Originally Posted By: Predatorking
predyotevarmint said:
Predatorking said:
I thank the Lord every day I live in Missouri where our conservation agents have a brain and dont listen to fools like yourself.

I dont make the laws and I am also glad you live in missouri. Now go mind your own state laws as I am doing with mine. Carry on,be gone now. Dont let your dogs wrap their rope around your neck so all can see . Well then again I should be curtious and respect your states logo and say "show a me". LMAO
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Originally Posted By: predyotevarmintOriginally Posted By: Predatorking
predyotevarmint said:
Predatorking said:
I thank the Lord every day I live in Missouri where our conservation agents have a brain and dont listen to fools like yourself.

I dont make the laws and I am also glad you live in missouri. Now go mind your own state laws as I am doing with mine. Carry on,be gone now. Dont let your dogs wrap their rope around your neck so all can see . Well then again I should be curtious and respect your states logo and say "show a me". LMAO

You would like me to leave now wouldnt you....I know it must suck when someone exposes you for the fool you are.

You may want to re-take 3rd grade. It's the show me state young pup. Not the "show a me"

Yikes. Getting hung by my hounds. Always easy to get stupid people fired up. Have a good one kid.
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