Pillar bedding for rimfires.

RePete

RePete

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I have a little Remington 504 in 22LR that I really like but while it's always been plenty accurate for my uses which aren't that demanding, it's pretty inconsistant. Well, any one that's owned a computer for more than a month knows that for every rimfire ever made there's a fanatic over on RFC that's made a career of obsessing over said firearm, and the 504's no different. Anyway, I found a good write up on pillar bedding these rifles that claimed to solve the inconsistency so I thought I'd give it a try.
Here's a pic with stock drilled out and the pillars cut and ready to be glued in. Turned out that Erniethegunsmith had pillar stock with the ends machined for Remmy 600's which happen to be the same di. as the 504. I also made some alignment studs by simply cutting the heads off of a couple of machine screws. As you can see, that big oval hole in the stock is where the "recoil lug" set. Kinds hoaky if ya ask me, but it's now full of epoxy that captures the recoil lug nicely.
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And a couple five shot groups at 60yrds with a 3-9 Sightron RF.
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Not gonna win any BR matches, but not bad for Mini Mags.
I'm sure some match ammo and better shooter would improve on this, but my flyer's seem to be gone so I'm happy considering I have less than 20 bucks invested.
PS,,, I'm a Marine Tex guy but was out so I got a couple of the small tubes of Devcon that Midway sells for this job. Not looking for a scientific debate on the properties of epoxy, but I will say that I really didn't like how thin the Devcon was. It sure made it hard to work with IMO. Course it was pretty hot out in the shop this time of year so it might be better when it's a little cooler, but I think I'll stick with MTex anyway.
 

RePete,

I like the looks of the 504s. They are nice little rifles.

Not sure how your rifle used to group before the pillar job, but those groups aren't bad considering 60 yards, rimfire, and ammo.

I have one of the old Remington 541-S rifles, great rifle and accurate. The rimfires are a lot of fun, especially in nice rifles.
 
Well,,, It always shot OK, but with lots of flyers that I always figured was ammo related like most rimfire's before reading that article.
ETA,, Still have the flyers, but now they're only a 1/4" away instead of 1-2 inches. LOL
 
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I did the same thing with a CZ-452 varmint, it was a shooter to begin with. In fact the former owner had won several "squirrel" matches with it at our club. I pillar bedded it and removed the hokey front bolt that CZ uses.

It was such a good shooter before, that any improvements to groups were very minor, but it definitly didn't hurt it any and was fun.

I got all my info from RFC as well.
 
Good looking groups. I'd love to snag a 504, 541, or a even better, a 40X
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. You mention MarineTex as your favorite. That's what my 243 was bedded with when I sent it off. What type of cure times do you see in your bedding jobs? Thinking about bedding a buddies rifle and my Marlin 917V with it.
 
Nice Charlie. Looks like you made a heck of an improvement in the accuracy. Any time you can eliminate flyers you have made a huge improvement in my book.
Love those 504's. My 541's and 541 "wannabe" have an edge in the accuracy dept. over my 504's, but I prefer the 504 over the 541's. Crazy I know, but.......
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Those 504's shoot pretty good with target/match ammo and with CCI Subsonics.

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Those are some nice groups Jim!
I've kinda lost interest in paper punching over the years, so I don't even bother with match ammo even though I'm positive this rifle would shine with the right stuff.
I'm only concerned with shooting a few Rabbits for the pot each year, and I'd rather shoot em in the head than the butt
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so i test with the load I'm gonna shoot and call it good.
Well, that and the fact that I'm poor and therefore can't afford all that expensive ammo.

Cory,,, I'm far from a bedding expert so I really couldn't say if there's a difference in cure time. I take em apart after a few hrs to clean up the overflow while it's still relativly soft, put em back together for at least 24hrs, and hope they come apart when I get back to em. I just found the Devcon a little runnier, but other than that, it seemed to harden in about the same time frame as MTex or AccraGel.

 
Quote:I've kinda lost interest in paper punching over the years, so I don't even bother with match ammo even though I'm positive this rifle would shine with the right stuff.
I'm only concerned with shooting a few Rabbits for the pot each year, and I'd rather shoot em in the head than the butt wink so i test with the load I'm gonna shoot and call it good.
Well, that and the fact that I'm poor and therefore can't afford all that expensive ammo.

All ammo from my benchrest days. That stuff is getting as much as centerfire stuff.
I shot, one rabbit, I understand that. A box of mini mags will last along time.
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I must admit that I do prefer the subsonic stuff for hunting.
 
Hummm? Never tried the subsonic stuff for hunting.
The MiniMags have been accurate in evey 22lr I've owned and alway's preformed good on game, so I stick with em, but I'm all ears. What brand of SS's do you like?

PS,,, I did shoot some Gophers with Wolf Match once though.
Most of em crawled back to the hole so I lost interst in slow lead pills.
 
The Win Super-X Sunsonic's hit hard & shoot pretty dang good for what they are. I tried them on recomendation from GC from a thread on here, he talked about how good they shot & he was right. It's a really soft Truncated cone hollow point, you can bend the lead with your fingernail. It hits stuff pretty hard (considering it's as slow as death). They also shoot much better than mini-mags in my rifle but not quite as good as the quality target ammo, but alomost. Worth giving them a try.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2900255...ne-hollow-point
 
Thanks Coleridge
I'll give em a try if I can find some.
ATK's right here in Lewiston (the closest town to me) so finding anything locally that isn't CCI can be a challenge.

Funny how opinions vari. I have a good friend who I trust, that swears by the killing power of Velocitators. Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum huh?
 
Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying the subsonics have more "killing power" than the hot stuff like velocitors or especially stingers (they are right spectacular on the small stuff). However, the subs do shoot much better in most rifles & the soft lead makes up for the velocity loss. To me the subsonic hollow point above kills everybit as good as mini-mags but much more quiet & noticably more accurate. You can hear a very audible "POP" when you connect with flesh. Gives the warm fuzzies.

 
Originally Posted By: K22

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Is the CCI Subsonic the same ammo on target 1 & 10?

That Lapua Master M on #5 is unbelievable
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. I'm asuming the repeat is on center target with same ammo als? Very nice either way to be shot in 30 degree temps in freezing rain!
 
Yea,,, those Winnies almost resemble a hard cast bullet and I sure like the idea of less noise from the sub's as long as they get the job done.
I'm definatly gonna try some if I get the chance.
Thanks
 
Originally Posted By: RePeteThanks Coleridge
I'll give em a try if I can find some.
ATK's right here in Lewiston (the closest town to me) so finding anything locally that isn't CCI can be a challenge.

Funny how opinions vari. I have a good friend who I trust, that swears by the killing power of Velocitators. Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum huh?

CharlieI was allways a Mini Mag fan they shoot great out of any 22rf I have evan the 10/22 with the Shilen barrel I just put together bit as good as they shoot the Velocitors shoot better and drop groundhogs DRT I think they would be great for fox also if you would like to try some I owe you a couple boxes of rimfire stuff
 
Originally Posted By: Rich44 I think they would be great for fox

I'm sure the velocitors would be great for fox. I used to shoot a more than a fair amount of greys with a strait .22LR (they are very aggresive when calling back before we got coyotes). The HP mini-mags in the shoulder & they flop like a fish out of water (same as a feral "house cat", if you've ever shot them in the shoulder with .22LR). If shot behind the shoulder they would usually run 20-40 yards & die. I lost a couple using the Eley quick shocks (when eley still made them) but any standard HP high velocity resulted the same, flopping fox for ~5-20 seconds. When I stepped up to 22mag the flopping stopped, as well as most runners with lung shots. 22LR will still work just fine though.
 
Thats awesome. I have been working on my 10/22 off and on for while and have been contemplating on how to pillar bed it. I just read a write-up on RFC about bedding the action. Which im not sure if it is quite worth it to me, but it showed something about pillar bedding it as well. Wish there was more on that to go off of
 
I'm pretty sure Rich bedded that Shilen barreled 10/22 he just spoke of. Betcha he could shed some light on the subject if ya pm'ed him.

This has been a very enlightening thread for me as far as rimfire ammo goes.
Who needs RFC?

Coleridge,,, funny you should mention "Flopping Ferals".
My experience was about the same with a MiniMag shot Feral, cept mine went about 20 feet straight in the air before the flopping started. I only shoot em with my 22Mag or the 17Centerfires nowdays.
I'd sure like to learn more about those Winnies. I looked up "Truncated" thinking it was a casting procedure or something but it just means the tip is cut off. Maybe GC will see this and chime in.

Rich,,, you don't owe me anything. That was a gift.
Besides, like I said "CCI stuff is more than readily available here in ATK land" so laying hands on some Velocitators is pretty easy.
 
Originally Posted By: coleridgeOriginally Posted By: K22

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Is the CCI Subsonic the same ammo on target 1 & 10?

That Lapua Master M on #5 is unbelievable
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. I'm asuming the repeat is on center target with same ammo als? Very nice either way to be shot in 30 degree temps in freezing rain!

Yes to both questions.
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And to think that my Sako and 541 Wanna be shoot better than this 504.

I started using RWS Subsonics to hunt Squirrels with a long time ago. The bullets I recovered always looked like Nosler Partitions. Perfect mushroom. I would say the CCI Subsonics will act the same way. Besides, the CCI Subs are cheaper than the RWS. The Winchester Subsonics that are available in the US now are pretty accurate also.
 


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