pitbulls that are loose

Good ole pits, it is amazing the kind of publicity they get good and bad its kinda a love or hate thing. I know a pit has saved my butt a few hundred times,while hog huntin'. I don't use one to catch with anymore but still gotta love them!
 
i think they are the most amazing dogs ever. i don't raise and sell them anymore cuz not many people care enough to handle them correctly. i had to many people want them and then when they found out how they could and would fight other dogs and animals not want to deal with them. so in those cases the dog winds up losing.
 
Jill I just thought I would throw another option. If you pick up the dog by their hind legs and lift them over thier head you take away the majority of the bite strength. Just because most people don't have a break stick handy. If you search my post you will see pics of my dogs and why I wanted to know another way. If have not had to use it yet thank god. Good post.
 
i wouldn't recommend it with a strange dog. sure its gonna take away some power to his bite by getting his feet up off the ground so he can't set them to brace in and shake. it may not make him let go. but if he does then can you trust him not to turn and bite you? sorry to say but if a idiot is letting a dog that will attack your dog lose -if it was me and the dog was harming my pet i'd just shoot it. if the owner wasn't about to remove it. i'd never try to pick the dog up. most pits won't let go that easy anyway i've seen them lifted up and pick the dog in their grip off the ground too and still not let go. it all comes down to the owners keeping these dogs under control. i love pits and all dogs but i will shoot one if i have to. i had a huge boxer coming about my place at night and starting stuff with my lab. as my pit is tied up. after shooting at him a few times he didn't seem to think he had to stay away so now hes dead. was it the dogs fault? no but he paid the price of having a lousy stupid owner.
 
Actually dogs get most of thier bite strength fron thiers neck muscles so no it won't make them release but will allow you tou get thier jaws off because you have taken most of the bite force off and who walks around with a bite stick. Also the majority of people who have dogs that my warrant a bite stick do know what they are. And exactly right I wouldn't do this to a dog other than my own unless it was extremly necessary because you will get bit most likly. I have dogs that can agressive and I muzzle them in public and they do not get loose. If my dogs where attacking someones anilmals then that person has the right to do what they have to do and I will pay the price as I should. So I agree with you people need to keep thier dogs under control and owners need to be responsible period. And I am a dog lover but had to shoot two feral dogs out of a pack of three earlier this year because they tried to attack me. So anyways great post.
 
i think that most of the biting power comes from the jaw muscles. what the neck muscles and the entire rest of the dog do when a dog is locked down is allow the body of the dog to get behind the bite. his feet on the ground will allow him leverage to put his body into his grip. much as a boxer needs his feet firmly planted on the floor to deliver a hard punch. when pit bulls are fought many a hard biting dog has his biting power removed by a dog fighting him that drove in and took him up off the floor. the dog still could bite and grip he just had nothing to back it up. his front end up off the ground kept him from getting his weight and power behind his bite. so yes you will keep the pit from doing as much damage by getting him up off the ground. make him let go? not if he doesn't want to. and believe me its not in their nature to want to.
 
Actually most of a dogs bite strength comes from thier neck muscles yes some comes from the jaw muscles but most of the force comes from the neck muscles ask your vet. My vet told me about this technique because of my johnson american bulldog who is very dog aggressive and can "lock". I was worried of a situation because my nieghbor wasn't controlling thier dog and was starting trouble with my dogs and I was worried mine would jump my 6 foot fence. Thank god it never happened. I don't like using the lock term because the reason dogs won't let go is not some "locking mechanism" it is from determination and will power. My bullmastiff has very strong jaws but she won't hang because she doesn't want too. My johnson on the other hand will hang from a rope on a tree if I let him same with his daughter. Sorry about the long post I ramble when I start talking dogs probably one of my biggest passions next to hunting and shooting. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif what kind of dog do you have by the way?
Oh ya my nieghbors dog was a chihuahua mix who wanted despratly to commit suicide /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
these are my spoiled babies
my Johnson american bulldog he is
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his son 1/2 johnson 1/2 bull mastiff 150 lbs
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my bull mastiff
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my 1/2 johnson 1/2 bullmastiff female
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no the dogs can't lock as in be firmly locked. they can lock as in not want to let go. the jaw muscles are what powers the jaw bite in any animal. the neck muscles provide back up and allow more damage to be done to tear and shake. as thats what connects the dogs power and weight to the jaws. as i just don't believe the bite power comes from the neck muscle. these types of dogs (pits-bull-mastiffs) have huge fist sized jaw muscles on each side off the jaws. when one has a grip feel the jaw muscle, its hard as a rock. thats whats directly driving the brutes teeth together.(and whats keeping his jaws together when hes hanging from a rope or bigger animal) the rest of the dog provides power to put his weight into his bite. good looking dogs you have glad they have a great owner. oh i have a yellow lab, a pit bull [beeep], a mountain cur, a corgi, a majestic tree hound, a great dane, and a jack russell. they all get along well and i live way out in the country so they have room to run. all but the pit who would run off and attack livestock if i let her loose. so shes walked.- (if you want to believe the neck muscles power the jaws more so than the jaw muscle thats fine with me, but i think your vet means the dog does more damage with his weight behind his bite as all muscle is connected and comes into play when a dog is fighting and has a grip working it with his entire body- oh and when you bite something do you feel your jaw muscles powering your bite?) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I will have to admit I am mistaken 75% of bite force comes from the rear legs my mistake /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif. I had to get my johnson fixed and now he is a sweet heart except to other dogs besides his daughter and my bull mastiff who walk all over him. You might spend as much on food as I do hahaha. Good thing I didn't keep the largest male from my litter my friend said he is 195 at 14 months if I get some pics of him I will post them or send them to you last time I saw him he was a monster but a sweet dog. Oh ya I have two cats one of which is in love with my bulldog it's pretty funny
 
Well guys,i think we have found one thing out for sure.Jill has as much grit as any pitt i have ever seen.Way to stand your ground girl.I do not own pitts.They are just not my kinda dog.I like labs,they are verry good with kids and verry gentle.I dont have anything against pitts as long as the owners are responsible.I do believe that they have their purpose,but to many bad owners end up with them.It is not the dogs fault.
 
i just don't think because a dog grips down hard with his JAWS then uses the rest of his BODY (legs, neck -weight) to put behind his gripping JAWS -that his legs -weight neck muscles whatever are the force behind his bite. hes merely using force he has attached to his gripping JAWS to cause more damage. the legs and rest of the dog not are not actual JAW pressure. no more than if you lock a pair of vice grips onto a object and use your body weight to break it off. the pressure of the vice grip is the same no matter if you have a hold of the handle or not. sure you can break the object when you twist it and put your weight into the handle. but did that cause the vice grips to grip the object with more power? no it merely allowed you to transfer force to it. if you say vice grips these are locked which a dog does not do, but if you say pliers which your grip would affect and your hand would supply the power to the jaws the force you could exert with your weight and leg muscle would only be able to be transfered to the object the pliers gripped if your hand power was enough to maintain the grip. i know that more damage is done when the dogs feet are planted on the ground and hes able to pull and shake his head and teeth into his grip. but i just don't see where his muscles outside his jaws provide any actual power to close and hold his jaws together. in fact if the dog had weaker jaws he would not have the jaw strength to use his body strength to do more damage. so saying most of the jaw strength comes from outside the jaw muscles is very misleading. most of the damage can be caused by the tearing and pulling- but the jaws must be strong enough to hold the grip while this is done.
 
i never said the dog doesn't use his body and power outside his jaws to pull and shake. but its not whats clamping his jaws together. if he had poor jaw grip he couldn't use his weight and power to shake and pull and you can't make the dog let go by picking his hind legs up,thats not going to cause his jaws to open. all thats going to do is get the dog above the other dog bearing down on it. sure he can't brace in and shake no more. but just why would he have to let go? you would just be standing there holding the dog up above the other dog. if you think that fine it doesn't matter to me. but i've seen pit bred pits fighting and they won't let go unless you pry their jaws apart. (short of killing them) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
First of all you are not thinking about what I said. I said it will weaken the bite force not make him magically let go. Have you ever seen anybody use a technique other than or inconjuction with a break stick? I was told about this from my vet who is very respected in my area with pits and bull breeds then I researched it on the internet and found information on the subject. I have very dangerous dogs in the wrong situation so it is in my best interest to know every trick in the book. I suggest you know them too.
 
without the break stick and somebody to help you get the dogs apart all you are going to to is drive those big american bulls down over top the other dogs, which will do nothing besides make you tired of standing there holding a 100 pound plus dog up in the air. sure they won't be able to use their hind legs to get their bodies weight working the grip. but just why would they want to or have to release? i know people with some of the best pit bulls in the south and they say same as me "you are wasting your time trying to get the dogs to let go that way." maybe not do as much damage yes but the dog is not going to undo its jaws just because you take away his ability to work and shake the grip. like i said you want to stand there holding a fighting enraged bull breed hinds legs off the ground while its in a grip you go right ahead. i just do not believe the dog would ever let go because you are. i've seen pits fight and grap other dogs and watched people try to part them. its a heck of a lot less trouble to work a break stick into a gripping dogs jaws and pry it loose than to beat it, try to pick it up, tug on the dogs or any other way you MAY get them apart. for one the dogs grip is broken right away with NO futher damage. another thing is it works to get them apart unlike other ways. if you own a bull breed for one it should be kept under control. if you won't keep the break stick handy and know how to use it then you shouldn't handle these dogs.
 
once a pitbull's blood is hot even the owner is not safe unless he, she can handle their self.Love dogs hate the people who miss use them. yakamabreed
 
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