PMC Brass?
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PMC brass needs to have the primer pocket crimp removed,get a primer pocket reamer.If you have a whole bunch of these you might want to look at a Dillon primer pocket swager.You'll have a few of these problems arise as a new reloader,just keep throwing money at it and you will succeed.
Now you did not say what cartridge you were reloading so If you are loading PMC .223 Rem. I would look closely at the flash hole to see if any are off center.
I bought my first AR 15 with 100 Rds. of PMC ammo. Went to the range to do some shooting and the group it shot was the size of a pie plate, so I bring the brass home and size it, trim it, Chamfer it, washed it in solvent and run it in the vibrator over night, went to clean the primer pockets and out of the 60 rds I was working with 25 of the cases the flash hole was WAY off center, and I mean way off center, the other 35 were in the center or real close loaded them up went to the range and shot them. The group size shrank from pie plate size to about a 4" group, what an improvement!But not good enough for me by no means.
So with all that said if it were me, I would round file them ( trash them ) and get your self some Win., Rem., Lapua, Federal, brass anything but CMP brass.
Got some GOOD cases worked up a load With Sierra 63 gr. Semi point bullets with TAC powder and now it is shooting groups under an inch at 100 YDS off the bench. A little tweeking on this load and it should shoot 1/2 groups me thinks.
DAB
I bought my first AR 15 with 100 Rds. of PMC ammo. Went to the range to do some shooting and the group it shot was the size of a pie plate, so I bring the brass home and size it, trim it, Chamfer it, washed it in solvent and run it in the vibrator over night, went to clean the primer pockets and out of the 60 rds I was working with 25 of the cases the flash hole was WAY off center, and I mean way off center, the other 35 were in the center or real close loaded them up went to the range and shot them. The group size shrank from pie plate size to about a 4" group, what an improvement!But not good enough for me by no means.
So with all that said if it were me, I would round file them ( trash them ) and get your self some Win., Rem., Lapua, Federal, brass anything but CMP brass.
Got some GOOD cases worked up a load With Sierra 63 gr. Semi point bullets with TAC powder and now it is shooting groups under an inch at 100 YDS off the bench. A little tweeking on this load and it should shoot 1/2 groups me thinks.
DAB
Evil_Lurker
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Quote:they will get an employee that does not care, comes to work hung over, or smokes a joint on break.
Or all 3. Not that a job like inspecting brass requires too much skill to begin with.
If the primers won't start, set them aside until you get a primer pocket swager. That will cut the crimp out and you'll be good to go.
If you try and force them, keep your head back from the case mouth so that when the first primer goes off you don't lose an eye.
I use the RCBS swager set, it has what you need to do .223 and .243 both and works just fine, assuming you set it up right. I adjusted mine until i could see that it was about .010 short of the bottom of the pocket. Don't go to the point that it's mashing the case head and you'll be okay.
Or all 3. Not that a job like inspecting brass requires too much skill to begin with.
If the primers won't start, set them aside until you get a primer pocket swager. That will cut the crimp out and you'll be good to go.
If you try and force them, keep your head back from the case mouth so that when the first primer goes off you don't lose an eye.
I use the RCBS swager set, it has what you need to do .223 and .243 both and works just fine, assuming you set it up right. I adjusted mine until i could see that it was about .010 short of the bottom of the pocket. Don't go to the point that it's mashing the case head and you'll be okay.
WasteLand
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This is very weird to me!
I have tons of PMC brass in .223 and I've never had a single problem from any of them. In fact my PMC brass produces better groups than my Hornady Brass. It became ALL i use in my bolt action .223
I have never once removed a crimp from any of PMC ither. All the flash holes on mine are centered and not bad. Once I sized them to length(reloads) I've never had to touch them again.
I just neck size, clean the primer pocket, and chamfer/deburr and they are ready for powder.
Do you have any idea what type of PMC they are? They make different lines of ammo, some for LE/Mil, some cheaper, some a little better
X-TAC
"Designed and manufactured as if your life depends on it…because it might. PMC’s exacting adherence to the precise specifications of military and law-enforcement organizations assures that X-TAC ammunition will perform perfectly in that fraction of a second when a serious threat arises and your life is on the line"
BROZE
"For shooters and hunters who appreciate affordable quality ammunition, the PMC Bronze Line offers reliable performance for every shooting application, from target shooting to hunting"
Personally, I shoot TONS of that PMC Bronze through both my bolt action .223 and even more through my .45ACP. They have been the most reliable, best looking, and best grouping brass that I've tested. I have even shot .480s at 100 yards with my bolt gun using this brass. Not often but it has happened. Thats all my gun range sells in .223 so I pick it up constantly off the ground.
I would try to find out which line they came from
I have tons of PMC brass in .223 and I've never had a single problem from any of them. In fact my PMC brass produces better groups than my Hornady Brass. It became ALL i use in my bolt action .223
I have never once removed a crimp from any of PMC ither. All the flash holes on mine are centered and not bad. Once I sized them to length(reloads) I've never had to touch them again.
I just neck size, clean the primer pocket, and chamfer/deburr and they are ready for powder.
Do you have any idea what type of PMC they are? They make different lines of ammo, some for LE/Mil, some cheaper, some a little better
X-TAC
"Designed and manufactured as if your life depends on it…because it might. PMC’s exacting adherence to the precise specifications of military and law-enforcement organizations assures that X-TAC ammunition will perform perfectly in that fraction of a second when a serious threat arises and your life is on the line"
BROZE
"For shooters and hunters who appreciate affordable quality ammunition, the PMC Bronze Line offers reliable performance for every shooting application, from target shooting to hunting"
Personally, I shoot TONS of that PMC Bronze through both my bolt action .223 and even more through my .45ACP. They have been the most reliable, best looking, and best grouping brass that I've tested. I have even shot .480s at 100 yards with my bolt gun using this brass. Not often but it has happened. Thats all my gun range sells in .223 so I pick it up constantly off the ground.
I would try to find out which line they came from
My experience with PMC ( the cheaper stuff )that I have had is it wont shoot worht spit (.223Rem) in my RRA PP and the brass are crap as over a third of the brass (100 rds) the flash hole was off center. It is crap as far as I am concerned.
If others are having good results with PMC more power to them.
My pet name for it is Poor Mans Crap
DAB
If others are having good results with PMC more power to them.
My pet name for it is Poor Mans Crap
DAB
ThunderStryke
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I have reloaded many PMC .243 cases that have come my way. I don't buy it initially. I find that some PMC cases (in all calibers) might need to have the primer pockets LIGHTLY reamed with a standard pocket reaming tool,but Some of the .223 PMC indeed does need to be swaged out. The only brass I have run across that had off-center primer pockets was a batch of 100 I bought from Dillon's in Scottsdale. It was Rem. .30-30. and their response was "so what...?"
I buy only U.S. brass for most purposes but have had good luck with PMC in .243. Have never seen one that needed to be swaged though.
I buy only U.S. brass for most purposes but have had good luck with PMC in .243. Have never seen one that needed to be swaged though.
PMC brass in 22/250, 243, 30/06, 270, 257 Weatherby, 300 weatherby is really hard brass and takes more pressure...it is made in Korea and is GOLD!
If it is marked ELD, it is made in Nevada on par with rem and win brass.
I have no experience with the 223 brass. I do know that they had one lot with firing holes off center in 223.
I tried to get the owner to get the parent company to do some special lots in specific calibers in 300,000 lots and he laughed at me.
If it is marked ELD, it is made in Nevada on par with rem and win brass.
I have no experience with the 223 brass. I do know that they had one lot with firing holes off center in 223.
I tried to get the owner to get the parent company to do some special lots in specific calibers in 300,000 lots and he laughed at me.
MPFD
Well-known member
I have used alot of PMC brass, and the only thing I have found to be wrong with it is the internal case capacity is less then other types of brass. If I am reloading and find a case that fills clear to the top of the mouth, it generally means a piece of PMC didn't get sorted out correctly...
MikeinFresno
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yep, Ive got about 1000 of the 257Wby cases, it shoots hotter than reg Wby brand brass, the primer pockets dont open up at 3 hot firings like the Wby does, it is great stuff for me
BigKev
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I use the heck out of PMC brass in .223 and .308. The 223 brass needed running through an RCBS swaging die before it could be reprimed, but that was the very cheap 223 ball ammo brass(red and white box). I use Lee collet dies on the .223 and I am well over 25 loads per case and no signs of failure. PMC brass stays in shape pretty well, very little trimming required.
I full length resize the .308 and have no problems with case failure or stretching either.
I have found a lot of the cheapo 223 brass to have off center flash holes, however I use a lee universal decapping tool to punch the primers on all of my brass before tumbling. So far it has not caused any damage to my decapping pins. Even with them slightly off center it does not effect the ignition of the round, so no harm no foul.
I full length resize the .308 and have no problems with case failure or stretching either.
I have found a lot of the cheapo 223 brass to have off center flash holes, however I use a lee universal decapping tool to punch the primers on all of my brass before tumbling. So far it has not caused any damage to my decapping pins. Even with them slightly off center it does not effect the ignition of the round, so no harm no foul.