Population implosion

Girls! Girls! Can we stop now? We're not primarily here to do demographic studies. This is a firearms forum. Some of us just might enjoy staying with the topics that relate to our forum's subject matter. Why not locate websites that deal with your interests and leave the remainder of us to treat gun related issues? Does that sound fair enough? Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal
 
Mr. Farish is right. We make messes, we clean them up. With fact-based, knowledgeable approaches. Recognizing that there IS a mess is the first step. Anyone can see when their favorite lake turns black that it is "messed up." But then it's too late. What's wrong with trying to predict and anticipate impending environmental problems? Sure, there will be mistakes and incorrect conclusions along the way to realizing a proper solution.

Cal, I don't get it. If there's a television show on that you don't want to watch, do you sit there and watch the whole thing, anyway? You don't like this thread, don't read it.
 
Cal, I think that these subjects do relate to our forum. Polution, habitat loss, human population levels, etc all have an impact on game populations, availability of land to hunt & shoot on and so on.
 
I always thought the people bantering about global warming were a bunch of clueless idiots. And I still pretty feel the same way but realize many of them aren't idiots, just misinformed.

As it is now, the current scientific evidence shows that ice ages come on very quickly and depart somewhat slowly. Global warming periods come on very slowly, hang around for a long time, and then slowly depart. The earth is constantly in a flux between warming and icing periods.

As for what we can do about it? Jack diddly. It's a natural event that we can't do much about. Just like when the magnetic poles move around, it is something that happens and nothing can be done other than to adapt to the new conditions.

The biggest problem with all the "studies" that have been done on ozone depletion and greenhouse gases is the lack of trace data. Trace data for such studies basically means you radioactively charge various substances under study and follow them to see where they go. Without such data all the drum beating done by various theory supporters is simply noise.
 
BroncoGlenn,
Not sure what your meaning of,"radioactivly charge a substance and see where it goes", means.
Would you explain that in a little more detail what you are talking about.
Thanks
 
Basically it means they irradiate a material and then using sensor that can detect the radiaton, follow it to where it goes. The radiation is harmless. Doctors use a similar process on humans. I forget the name of the process, but it works on the same method.

Think of it as a subatomic radio collar /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I think what BroncoGlenn is referring to is radioactive tagging. Not quite what they do to humans though BG, thats called nuclear medicine,, where they inject an isotope, tagged with a substance that we know will go to certain organs as a target, then we study the physiology of the organ. The isotope has a short half life and low energy range.
I don't know what BG is referring to unless it is tagging a substance with an isotope, then tracking its' journey somewhere. I would think it would have to be in a controlled area, else there would be no way to detect it if it got out of the controlled area. I don't know, but maybe this helps a little. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Honestly! I think this all deserves further study. I believe we could write a grant proposal to study the corretional effects of global warming, habitat loss, population dynamics of the human being (pre & post aids-ebola-hepC etc.), El Nino, and the incidence of wildfires worldwide. I'm fairly sure some entity would fund that sort of correlation.

Within that basic grant we could also probably look in to the education, political affiliation, and prior real world experiences of Professorial Staff at the top 20 colleges in the US, to see if those figures would could correlate with student perceptions upon graduation and prior to ten years working in the real world.

This all could explain then, why people would think that shooting coyotes from a sno-go or wolves from a super cub is hunting.

We could then correlate, without too much of a stretch, how/why some people could view Aids as a health disaster and others as population control. In additon, within that same set of conclusions we could also easily correlate back to the not so old debate on whether predator control is hunting and vice-versa.

Using basic population dynamic statistics we could run a series of regression annalysis formulas to tie in most of these topics to our main grant study proposal, which would probably lead us to further topics of inquirey, and we could write another grant study proposal.

By then, it may be that the grant de jour would not be from the study of water quality, global warming, Aids research, etc. but something we can't see at this time.

A study that has always been dear to my heart would require a grant, maybe from water quality but possibly one from NOAA equating some aspect of climate change, similar to the FBS (flatulent bovine study). My study would probably not receive fundng if certain of the polar-fleece / Patagucci crowd got a hold of it. My study would seek to determine two paralells I have wondered about for some time. 1) A decline in the number of Beluga Whales in Cook Inlet. 2) Do wolves need a larger buffer around Denali Natl. Park?

My premiss is that the Iditarod Dog Sled race has been both helping to cause a decline in Cook Inlet AND drawing wolves out of Denali Park. These are two relateable parallels of study, especially since the increase although seasonal of wolves out of the Park, seems to have impacted our fox populations.

I would study the possible toxic effects of high protein dog manure melting off our local river system(s) up which the Iditarod Race follows (generally). This increase in recently (20 years) added by product just may be the causal factor of the decline in Beluga Whales. No one is sure.

Secondarily, but of more importance to me as a predator hunter and moose meat eater
would be the study to determine why Park boundaries need to be extended to protect the McKinley Wolf Pack. My premiss here would be that the seasonal incidence of many hundreds of sled dogs barking and pooping up the trail may actually have helped draw the McKinley (Denali Park) wolf pack away from their original home range. If statistics show this to be true then it could very` possibly be also concluded that extra wolves drawn by the race is the causal effect leading to fewer foxes. Believe me, I've seen alot of FOXES watching the Iditarod Sled Dog Race. This may in turn be an additional justification for predator control. We did have a wolf neutering program up here but the wolves didn't like it.

I am sure if this grant proposal were funded I could be the team leader on the project. This would get me out in the bush for probably 3 years of the study which would be the whole point anyway...
BTT. What???
Glen
 
just a question for RawRedTBone:....????

We'll see where a few times an 8th grade edumucation will get me.

Forgive me for asking, but just how many times DID you have to go through the 8th grade???

Most folks I know make it in the first pass.

Just a small question, no offense.

One thing I have noticed in your posts, is that you seem to have education confused with intelligence. The two don't always go hand-in-hand.
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Boogercounty, I have also noticed that many people think their education makes them intelligent. This is not at all the case. While some people are both educated and intelligent, many are one or the other. Those two things do not go hand in hand. I know many people with years of useless education that does Neither them or anyone else any good. I also know people with very little formal education that have used life experiences to become very successful in life.
I am not referring to Rawredtbone in any of these examples because I don't personally know him. Much of what was said by him and I was in jest, although it did get a little testy.

That is an excellent point you made though and I'm glad you brought it up. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
There are also alot of people with no education and an axe to grind because of it. From what I've seen, if you didn't at least pay attention in high school then you are not to bright.

But common sense an book smart are two different things. I'll admit that my own mother would make most here look like fools on many topics. Common sense will often "evade" her though.

But she cleaned houses to pay for her BA. And after working for the CIA ( :eek: ) and a bad marriage, worked as a secretary while raising two kids as she recieved her masters and almost her PHD.

But she doesn't approve of hunting so how bright can she be? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
I personally believe that the cancer analogy is a bit off. The coming overpopulation issue and the resultant depletion of natural resources could be better described as a "plague of locusts"(to quote Ghandi).
 
Ghandi? They make great chocolate.

booger country, yeah, I already noted that YellerDog called me out on that. I admit, his response was funny. Obviously, I didn't mean times through 8th grade, I meant times beyond 8th grade.

I have no confusion about the difference between intelligence and education. I could say that I agree with you, but someone may think that I am pulling a shmarmie, indirect act where I couch my wording in terms that seem almost complimentary or cordial, but in reality are sarcastic, back-handed barbs.

I also think that education and intelligence don't go hand-in-hand. If you truly are intelligent, more education serves to show you how uneducated you really are.

Intelligence without education is often a waste.
 
Hey, Guys....this thread may still have some potential. Doc, there are probably more factors affecting population than we could even identify, so I knee-jerk reject any formula that is not logarithmic or exponential. Stating that we need 2.1 births to sustain a population is a simple way to explain a complex system, and therefore probably incorrect. What about death-rate?? Besides, you hit upon this complex system in your original thread: some countries have lower births, some WAY higher, and people are migrating....

You guys were a little hard on Tony, but Tony, be careful not to oversimplify something. I have a tendency to do the same thing. But the others were right in the fact that the earth is going nowhere...we are. Its not 'save the earth...but 'save the humans' One good thing about going to a liberal college.....KNOW THY ENEMY

Anyway, I think most things happen exponentially or logarithmically. When I was in college taking genetics, these guys said they had a formula for figuring out how fast a gene would move in a population, and they had a hard and fast number for how many years it took for 1 species to evolve into 2. Problem is, they know how old Lake Victoria is in Africa, and they know how many species of ciclids there are, and there are way too many species for the given time using the formula. The geniuses scratched their heads and wondered what was up with Lake Victoria....well I just think the formula needs to be put to the 2nd power or 3rd power or nth power to make it work. I think we can all find examples of when something goes to hell, it all goes to hell a lot faster than anyone figured. Oh well, I went on to med school instead of grad school so I didn't get to listen to any more geniuses. My point is I question the formula intead of the politics of the professor. Not that you can't ignore the politics though.....gotta wonder what some folk's agenda is.
 
hey, RRTB....
Intelligence without education is often a waste.

I believe that education without intelligence is always a waste.

This is getting away from the topic, but several have commented along this line. I know of people who are "professional students", always enrolled in classes, but they seem to have no goal of a degree, to be obtained, eventually. They are on taxpayer-funded programs, living on various subsidies, tuition grants, and with housing assistance. They have no apparent plans of completing their education, and going on into the working world. These are people who are in their 40's, and have not yet been in a productive situation. True,they don't live "high-on-the-hog", but they do manage to have vehicles to drive, a home to live in, and food on their table.

And taxpayers foot the bill.

I just think this is a waste, for an education to never be used, in order to put something back into the system from which they have taken. Is there no requirement for them to enter into productivity after completion of their degree???? But, I guess, if they say they want to further their education, they get to stay on the same ride????

Inquiring minds want to know!! (or, at least, this one does).
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Boogercounty, I know the kind of people you speak of. They spend a lifetime learning useless things, or half their life learning it and the other half teaching it as a liberal arts "professor". They somehow see themselves as intellectually superior to all others. They are far above everyone else because of all the years spent in academia.

The reality is often that these "scholars" could not function in the real world, so they must hide in the institutions of "higher learning". I am not trying to say that education is not a worthwhile pursuit. One should never stop learning. An unchallenged mind will grow stagnant. But, why pursue unproductive knowledge when there are so many challenges in this great country.
 
Knowledge, and it's aquisition, need not be unproductive, depending upon how you can relate it to a problem you are working on or a situation you encounter in the future. Common sense isn't common at all, but generally skewed from a point of view beyond which a person hasn't been able to move past. The eighth grade might be that point, or maybe paying taxes (certainly still a point I haven't gone beyond yet). Fancying one has "common sense" is a comfy spot to camp out at, but not the end of the trail.
 
Education (with or without intelligence), is never a waste. You were learning from the time momma pushed you out. You learned to cry for the bottle and to change your diapers. Someone taught you which end of the gun goes bang. You figured out pretty quickly that biting your arm hurts. It's all education. Getting a college degree doesn't mean you lose your basic knowledge of how things work. It only enhances it. I got a college educjamation, in spite of the fact that the college dean didn't approve of my experiments in my dorm room with a flyfishing rod, a largemouth bass, and a couple of coeds. The bass was later returned, unharmed, to the local pond where he came from.

I make no excuses for knowing what I know. I learned a lot in college. I also learned a lot on the streets, and in the honky tonks where I used to play keyboard in a band.

I don't think of myself as superior to anyone. I can learn from everyone.
 
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