Predator Hunting Leases in Texas?

I did not mean to start a dust up. Just looking for ideas as a new predator hunter to get leads, etc.

I am not afraid to knock on doors or make calls. In fact, I have spoken to many of the land owners around my deer lease. So far all of them have the land leased for hunting, just like my deer lease, and those hunters have exclusive use regardless if they only hunt deer. I understand this response because I would not be happy if I showed up to my lease to fill feeders and found other hunters on the land I lease exclusively for hunting.

I need to read up on the rules for public land in Texas as it relates to hunting predators.

If it comes down to money I would rather just find another lease that has more predators and have two choices for deer hunting. With the heat the way it is in Texas hunting predators during the day outside of deer season is not pleasant. I prefer to call and hunt them at night so this may limit public land opportunities.
 
You might want to call or mail them a flyer to some of the lessees and see if they want any coyote control on their leases during the off season.
 
Originally Posted By: -HIC-I did not mean to start a dust up. Just looking for ideas as a new predator hunter to get leads, etc.

I am not afraid to knock on doors or make calls. In fact, I have spoken to many of the land owners around my deer lease. So far all of them have the land leased for hunting, just like my deer lease, and those hunters have exclusive use regardless if they only hunt deer. I understand this response because I would not be happy if I showed up to my lease to fill feeders and found other hunters on the land I lease exclusively for hunting.

I need to read up on the rules for public land in Texas as it relates to hunting predators.


ha, no dust up here.. You will know it when you see it.. Usually there are 6+ pages of it. I think the max number of pages for a thread seems to be 10 pages before it gets locked. lol

Anyways, my suggestion is that you look at the https://www.huntinggpsmaps.com/overview?gclid=CL6n9auigtUCFQGAaQod4v4L9Q site and figure out who the bigger ranchers are in the area that you would like to hunt. Look for draws and washes. Predators have to eat too.
Either way... The best luck i have with getting even the most stubborn no hunting rancher to change his mind is to show up in the off season and ask to help.
I use the excuse that i get tired of the gym and want to get my hands dirty and learn something about where my steaks come from.

I always feel like it's a good day, and sleep really good that night. Best to not mention anything about hunting right away.. Curiosity will kick in and they will ask. I usually wait until they are talking about cows and calfing and i bring up, Coyotes an issue out here?

I like to get out and call a few from time to time. (then nothing, nothing.. Let them say the next word)

after a day or two of helping.. I have always gotten, hey if you want to stop by and call a coyote, just give me a call.

I guess i pay for hunting rights to land in a different way.
 
With no disrespect for anyone above, the thought of predator leases makes me sick. It's already happening all over my part of the world.
 
Originally Posted By: TJT3Originally Posted By: ninehorsesIn today's society of lawsuits, and lawyers, letting some stranger hunt on your property for free is crazy. Trip on a rock, fall and break your arm, guess who has to pay the bill, me. Don't forget rehabilitation, pain and suffering. My lawyer bills, if I choose to fight it or not.


NOT TRUE!!! Plenty of landowners will let you coyote hunt on their property for free. Most folks are a pretty good judge of character. You get in with a few good landowners and treat them right and they tell their buddies. Leasing land to kill coyotes is ridicouls. As some has said "coyote hunting is the last great free hunt"

With the big money hunts like the West Texas Big Bobcat Contest I'm afraid landowners will want to start getting paid for these guys to hunt these contest on their land. It's going to be just like anything else in this world we live in. The bigger it gets it will start costing money to do. To say it's crazy to knock on a door and ask permission to hunt is ridicouls. Way more than half of my hunting land came from knocking on a door or making a phone call. Dang sure not going to pay a rancher to kill something that they already want gone.

Lots of little brats already paying big bucks to hunt those three weekends.
 
CZ-527, I agree. It is already really hard to find a place to hunt deer without paying the big money. I would sure hate to see predator calling go the same way. Lots of ground already locked up for year round deer leases, and it takes an order of magnitude more acres to keep a serious predator hunter rolling than it does to kill a few deer every year. Once that genie is out of the bottle it is hard to stuff it back in.

No disrespect to anyone on here, just the way I feel about it.
 
Lots of those brats paying big money for everything nowdays. They act like the high price trucks, boats, and guns gives them the right to be obnoxious. We have one woking with us with a 17 f250, 17 ranger521, 10k deer lease, and lives at home because houses cost too much. I cant figure out who is the bigger idiot him or his dad.
 
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There's two sides to every story. I own 471 acres in NE MO. I have leased it for deer/turkey hunting for $12,000 year, for deer hunting and turkey hunting all seasons. I do not allow predator/varmint hunting because I want to do that. If I did lease it out for that, I would not get near as much because true, you need a LOT more acreage for predators, especially. 86 acres of my property is WRP. I could lease it out for waterfowling, but don't as there are no blinds etc. and I have no knowledge or desire to learn about it. I do let a guy trap on the wetlands for free, as the beavers, muskrats, and otters can do some very expensive damage.

I have over $1.2 million dollars of property. It was leased for 2-3 years at 12K. It has not been leased in 3 years, even though it is in Macon County, which is consistently in the top 5-7 out of 120 counties in MO for deer. It has 17 ponds, about half of which have fish in them, mostly LM bass, catfish, and panfish.

The farmer pays me $2700 total for hay ($6 per bale cash rent) and 30 acres of row crop ($30 acre).

Here's how the $$ looks from MY point of view. The 12K lease was through Basecamp leasing. They take 25% but have liability insurance so my 12K is now 9K. I pay 30% of the 9K in taxes, so my 9K is now 6K, and I have no use of my own land for deer or turkey hunting. I can't drive my ATV on the farmers hay or row crop so I can't predator hunt or varmint hunt until he cuts the hay and harvests his crop. So you know what I have?-NOTHING

So the last time I leased, some jackwad agrees to pay me 12K. As soon as I cash the check, he asks where he can park his 38' camper with two slide outs. Being the nice guy I am, I tell him on a concrete pad, right outside the door of my house N/C. Then he asks if he can store his ATV's and tree stands in my pole barn. OK N/C. Then he asks if I can run an extension cord from my house to his camper. OK N/C. He keeps turning on his microwave as blowing the fuse. Like a guy who owns a camper does not know a 20A circuit will blow when you need a 50A circuit for an RV? Then, he wants to run a hose from my hydrant so he and his homo harem can shower. Then he has an elderly father who need to use my 6K deer condo. OK-N/C. He tells me the lock was rusty so he changed it at his expense. Nice guy huh? When i did not renew the lease (wonder why)-he took the lock he put on and left my condo unlocked. They want to come and ride horses and atv's on the weekends under the guise of we're putting up tree stands and checking deer cams, fish in my ponds in violation of the lease, cut my barbwire fences for quicker access to their stands, put in food plots where it will erode my property and stock non-native quail on my land using incubators, which DNR does not want.

You know what F u all. It will NEVER be leased again, for anything hunting related. This is America, a free country. Feel free to take $1.2 million out of your bank account or try to get a loan with your crappy credit, because you've been living above your means. I saved and paid CASH for the place. If this country ever gets on the right track, where the people who save their money are rewarded, instead of the broke a$$, no credit, bankrupt, re-fi rumpholes, and we can get 3% on our $$ in the bank, I can get 30K in interest and not put up with any drunk-a$$ hunter wannabe.

Before anyone talks about the cost to hunt in Texas, go on Zillow and look at some houses and the tax bills. I did. $16,000 property tax on a 700K house. No wonder they need to charge people to hunt!
 
I agree with that too cmatera. Since I don't lease any of my predator hunting, I am there totally at the good grace of the landowner. He can boot me off at any point if he doesn't like what I am doing, or have done. I think that is a good thing. It keeps the hunter (me) respectful of the opportunities he is being given. Nothing is "owed" to me for the consideration of the almighty $. I don't have any illusions of having bought anything, even temporary rights.

Of course that is the way I was raised as well. One place I get to hunt that has around 8000 acres on it, I have access to it strictly because of the relationship my father had with the landowner. Dad knew the guy, and hunted coyotes out there for many years. When dad passed away I went to return the keys to the landowner, and he told me to keep them and that I was welcome to call out there anytime. He had enough respect for my father that he assumed any of his progeny would have that same respect for the land as well. And I have been very, very careful to make absolute sure that has always been true.

That landowner doesn't lease for any kind of hunting either. With the amount of acres he has, and the going rate in that area, it would be a significant chunk of money. But much the same as many landowners, he has seen the bad side of leasing. Bottom line is he doesn't want anyone out there mucking about on his place unless he wants them there. He has always been very good to me though.

I suppose I am just old school and believe in the old ways.
 
Originally Posted By: sandy hicksLots of those brats paying big money for everything nowdays. They act like the high price trucks, boats, and guns gives them the right to be obnoxious. We have one woking with us with a 17 f250, 17 ranger521, 10k deer lease, and lives at home because houses cost too much. I cant figure out who is the bigger idiot him or his dad.

Does the dad get to use the lease or fishing boat? Wouldn't you say that would influence the decision about who was dumber?
 
Originally Posted By: cmatera There's two sides to every story.

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You know what F u all.

None of this has anything to do with me. I hunt public land only. If I lived somewhere else where there wasn't public land to hunt, I just wouldn't hunt. I don't know if it's a medical condition, or what, but physically, I am just not capable of asking a stranger for ANYTHING. And to me, asking to hunt on someones land is asking a LOT. Honestly, just can't imagine myself ever being able to do it under any circumstances. I'd just quit hunting before I'd knock on a door and ask a stranger.

And 500 acres would only last me about 15 minutes anyway. Maybe 45 minutes if there was two good stands to make.

So none of this means anything to me. Might as well be talking about the price of hookers in Hong Kong, as far as me being able to relate. Y'all are talking about an alien world from where I sit. Just really glad I don't have to live in it.

But that was one of the best posts I've read on here in a long time cmatera! I enjoyed that. Well communicated and an interesting point of view. Thanks!

Add on thought... The only way I'd ever be able to hunt private land would be by paying for it. I can't afford it, so it will never happen. But, that's the only way I could ever see myself "asking permission", is by being able to pay for it.

- DAA
 
yep sounds like everyone standing there with their hand out [palm up] wanting a cut without the risk.
you could grow your own hay, you could guide hunters yourself to limit the impact they have, you could do all the work yourself, but something tells me that you sold off the privacy rights to assist with income.

If you own the land, and don't want to allow hunting, or access. great. Good for you. If you want to charge for the access, i feel that you are really charging for the hassle of dealing with them and charge what it's worth to you.

I still can't believe someone pays 12K to hunt on a ranch for the year. You can only shoot so many deer or turkeys legally. if a guy is paying that, it's seriously more expensive than beef. To each their own i guess.

The military base i like to hunt Elk on, started charging $65 to hunt on it, as an access fee, and i stopped hunting there. I guess i am just cheap, and It's 12sq miles.
 
It's for 4 hunters, not 1. There'4 or 5 deer seasons and two turkey seasons. This place is 3/4 mile from me:
http://www.winterquarterswildlife.com/
To everyone crying about paying to hunt-get used to it it's the future, or you won't be hunting. I have an idea-my place is for sale. Give me 1.2 million and let me hunt there for free! There is nothing wrong with expecting a return on one's investment. If you think its so lucrative, go to your pocket and do the same.
 
Well, I do own 260 acres of my own land I hunt. Mostly deer hunting on that property. It is cropland that pays it's own way, its not just for hunting. Other family land that I do predator calling on is around 7000 acres or so. They want me calling because they raise cattle for a living, and dead calves are $$$ out of their pockets. The ranches I call on that aren't family, it's not because I went knocking on doors and begging. Most of those were places my father did predator control for before he passed away (through long-term working relationships with the landowners), and when he died the landowners asked me to keep doing it too. I can totally see DAA's point. If I felt I wasn't doing them a service, and that I wasn't wanted there, I dang sure wouldn't be there. My pride doesn't allow that. Especially if I felt like the landowner just considered me a necessary evil to put some money in his pocket.

But each part of the country has it's own cultures and ways of doing things. The Missouri way isn't the Texas way, and the Texas way isn't the Arizona way. That isn't saying anything bad (or good) about any of those places. There are just different cultures, peoples, and ways of doing things in those places that have proven to work for them. Since the thread title was about leasing in Texas, I threw in my couple of pennies because that is where I am from. Even so, it doesn't mean folks have to agree with me. To each his own.
 
I may not have the clearest perspective on this either, because where I'm from, and "rancher" has several sections at least. Most of the places I hunt are 5,000 acres or more, heck one of them is close to 250,000. Figure that up paying by the acre, and you can see why it's foolish. Nobody is going to pay $20,000 or more to hunt predators, so if the landowners don't have the means to dispatch coyotes themselves, that's where we come in.

Plain and simple, you're doing them a favor and having fun doing it. I justify hunting places for free by being good at it. Stop in once a year and kill 10 or 15 for a guy and he likes you, plain and simple.
 
The majority of Texas leases are by the gun. No pay no shoot no guest. The dad has his own boat so he fishes alone most of the time. Spoiled and selfish for the most part.
 
I’m looking for any opportunity to get in on some property in the panhandle area. Amarillo anyone know of land for lease, rent or free I would appreciate the heads up
 


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