Primos Tight Wad choke
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For a cheaper choke try a jellyhead or a carlson's ported.As much as kicks cost they should be rated for hevi-shot. Anyone who would buy a lead only choke for that kinda money must not be thinking clearly. You pay a premium price for a choke that is old fasion. A carlson will do anything a kicks will do for alot less money and they are rated for hevi shot. For the price of a kicks you can get a much better choke such as a pure gold or an indian creek.
I'll reply to this since it seems directed toward me - again. I use Kick's and shoot Winchester Supreme High Velocity plated lead #5's in 3" .12 gauge 1 3/4 ounce. I have killed gobblers cleanly at 50+ yards with that set-up through my Benelli M1S90 3" .12 gauge semi-auto. How much further do you need to shoot one?
If it is "old fashioned" you are worried about, then the most modern loads aren't Hevi-Shot material anyway. The newest Federal, Winchester, and Remington turkey loads have softer, more pliable shot that is rounder than Hevi-Shot, more barrel and choke friendly than Hevi-Shot, and is as heavy, or heavier than, Hevi-Shot. All shoot very well through Kick's chokes.
I would actually question what makes one choke better than another? Pure Gold has never impressed me. I've shot them. I hear a lot of stuff about Indian Creek, they have a big advertising department making lots of waves. There is a very, very, well known big shot hunter that is featured on all those T.V. shows and videos we see, that actually calls my county his home. He doesn't live here anymore, but he does come visit often and shoots on our gun club range. This is one of those dudes that hunts the world on television and has people throwing free stuff at him for his endorsement. I've known him for years, way back when he was just a construction worker that loved to turkey hunt. The last time I was at the range patterning my guns he was there sighting in a muzzleloading rifle for an upcoming hunt that was to be filmed. He was disgusted with the performance of his load and we talked about possible problems with the mounts, scope, ect. Conversation turned around to chokes and shotguns. As it turns out he is also a huge fan of Kick's chokes. He has shot them all and confided in me that he felt the Indian Creek chokes weren't as good as the hype. I haven't shot an Indian Creek, so I cannot comment other than to say that this guy has shot a drawer full of them, and, I trust him. Another example would be Rhino chokes that cost a crisp $100 bill, yet, it is widely known that a Jellyhead costing 1/3 that shoots Hevi-Shot just about as well. Well enough that the pellet count is nearly identical. Dad's old plain jane Hastings choke from his Mossberg 500 shoots pretty close to my Kick's/Benelli combo. Not quite as well, but close enough for 40 - 45 yard work. We all have our preferences, different experiences, idea's, and brand loyalties.
Buy what you want and shoot what you want, but be careful of blanket statements and generalizations. Shotguns are finicky enough that nothing much can be taken as a "given." /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
For a cheaper choke try a jellyhead or a carlson's ported.As much as kicks cost they should be rated for hevi-shot. Anyone who would buy a lead only choke for that kinda money must not be thinking clearly. You pay a premium price for a choke that is old fasion. A carlson will do anything a kicks will do for alot less money and they are rated for hevi shot. For the price of a kicks you can get a much better choke such as a pure gold or an indian creek.
I'll reply to this since it seems directed toward me - again. I use Kick's and shoot Winchester Supreme High Velocity plated lead #5's in 3" .12 gauge 1 3/4 ounce. I have killed gobblers cleanly at 50+ yards with that set-up through my Benelli M1S90 3" .12 gauge semi-auto. How much further do you need to shoot one?
If it is "old fashioned" you are worried about, then the most modern loads aren't Hevi-Shot material anyway. The newest Federal, Winchester, and Remington turkey loads have softer, more pliable shot that is rounder than Hevi-Shot, more barrel and choke friendly than Hevi-Shot, and is as heavy, or heavier than, Hevi-Shot. All shoot very well through Kick's chokes.
I would actually question what makes one choke better than another? Pure Gold has never impressed me. I've shot them. I hear a lot of stuff about Indian Creek, they have a big advertising department making lots of waves. There is a very, very, well known big shot hunter that is featured on all those T.V. shows and videos we see, that actually calls my county his home. He doesn't live here anymore, but he does come visit often and shoots on our gun club range. This is one of those dudes that hunts the world on television and has people throwing free stuff at him for his endorsement. I've known him for years, way back when he was just a construction worker that loved to turkey hunt. The last time I was at the range patterning my guns he was there sighting in a muzzleloading rifle for an upcoming hunt that was to be filmed. He was disgusted with the performance of his load and we talked about possible problems with the mounts, scope, ect. Conversation turned around to chokes and shotguns. As it turns out he is also a huge fan of Kick's chokes. He has shot them all and confided in me that he felt the Indian Creek chokes weren't as good as the hype. I haven't shot an Indian Creek, so I cannot comment other than to say that this guy has shot a drawer full of them, and, I trust him. Another example would be Rhino chokes that cost a crisp $100 bill, yet, it is widely known that a Jellyhead costing 1/3 that shoots Hevi-Shot just about as well. Well enough that the pellet count is nearly identical. Dad's old plain jane Hastings choke from his Mossberg 500 shoots pretty close to my Kick's/Benelli combo. Not quite as well, but close enough for 40 - 45 yard work. We all have our preferences, different experiences, idea's, and brand loyalties.
Buy what you want and shoot what you want, but be careful of blanket statements and generalizations. Shotguns are finicky enough that nothing much can be taken as a "given." /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
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remington870
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A undertaker choke that cost 20 bucks at wal-mart will be able to kill turkeys at 50 yards if enough loads are put through it to find a good combo. I've seen it done. If you want good enough patterns no need to spend much money but if you want to spend more money and get the best patterns you can get kicks chokes aren't the best. I've seen lots of guys patterning them with lead loads and they shoot similiar to hasting and carlson's which are much cheaper chokes. Kicks says lead only for its chokes not everything but hevi-shot but I do believe they'd be fine with hevi-shot or anyother shell on the market but why buy from a company that dosen't even have faith in the strengh of its own product. Federal heavyweights are denser and harder than hevi-shot. Rem and Win loads might be softer than hevi shot but are still alot harder than lead. I guy sponsored by kicks says there good? So what.
GC
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So what? So who is sponsered by Kick's? If you think I am, you are completely wrong. I'm not sponsered by anyone - period. And if you think I would say it was a good product just because someone offered it to me at discount or free... well you don't know me very well. I'm not cut out that way. I pay for everything I use the same as anyone else does. I only use what works for me and I have confidence in. I've junked a bunch of stuff over the years that simply didn't work for me. Maybe that works for someone else, if so great for them. I already basically said that above, use whatever the hell you want. There are few absolutes in firearms, what shoots well in my gun may not shoot well at all in someone elses. And vis-versa. IF you had read and given any thought to my last post you would actually see that in a roundabout way we actually agree. We seem to agree about as often as we don't - the difference is you often have a snide retort when we don't agree. It doesn't matter that we disagree, that's what makes the world turn and conversation interesting. I try to respect your thoughts and experiences, regardless if I agree or not. I don't know, maybe it's just me, I thought that was the way things were supposed to be done. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
remington870
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I was talking about the big shot hunter being sponsored by kicks. I figured he is because most big shot hunters are sponsored by a choke company. No doubt kicks will get the job done so will cheaper chokes that the only point I tried to make. Good luck this spring.
I was talking about the big shot hunter being sponsored by kicks. I figured he is because most big shot hunters are sponsored by a choke company. No doubt kicks will get the job done so will cheaper chokes that the only point I tried to make. Good luck this spring.
GC
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Well... heck. I did something I don't normally do (I think), I let my temporary bad mood overtake the keyboard. I am sorry, I misread your post and mistook the intention.
For clarity, the reason this other guy had to "confide" in me is because he actually IS sponsered by another choke company. He uses the other choke and it is a solid company, however, he actually prefers Kick's product. He is in the business and it is his living to go with who pays the most money. The other company makes a solid product, just not his personal actual preference. I won't mention his name, or the other company because I doubt he would have just told anyone what he was telling me. I've known him for years and it wouldn't be right to spill out what he told me in confidence publicly and throw out names.
Again, sorry for my rant. I try to avoid crap like that, but we've had a death in the family very recently, my father in law is in the hospital and it is grim news, my dad has a surgery coming soon, a student has confided something terrible to me and I have had to work a serious case with the Division of Family Services concerning her, and, I have the flu - again. Excuses, excuses, none of it matters, I should have cleared my head before reaching for the keyboard. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
For clarity, the reason this other guy had to "confide" in me is because he actually IS sponsered by another choke company. He uses the other choke and it is a solid company, however, he actually prefers Kick's product. He is in the business and it is his living to go with who pays the most money. The other company makes a solid product, just not his personal actual preference. I won't mention his name, or the other company because I doubt he would have just told anyone what he was telling me. I've known him for years and it wouldn't be right to spill out what he told me in confidence publicly and throw out names.
Again, sorry for my rant. I try to avoid crap like that, but we've had a death in the family very recently, my father in law is in the hospital and it is grim news, my dad has a surgery coming soon, a student has confided something terrible to me and I have had to work a serious case with the Division of Family Services concerning her, and, I have the flu - again. Excuses, excuses, none of it matters, I should have cleared my head before reaching for the keyboard. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif