Ptarmigan rifle

nlol

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Help me select a rifle for ptarmigan hunting.

Goals/considerations: Assume I can manage the exterior ballistics calculations (elevation/temperature/humidity/etc) which are somewhat minimized in the goal. I want a rifle that will hit a 1" circle (ptarmigan head) to 250 yards or beyond, day-to-day, month-to-month. I'm thinking a laminated or synthetic stock is necessary to get that long-term stability.

While flat shooting is required, range estimating is a lesser issue than wind drift so good velocity and ballistic coeficient are important. I'm thinking one of the .20's, probably, the .204 Ruger for simplicity, is a good caliber - better than a 22-250, and a 6 mm is over-kill. I'm anticipating the 39 grain BK will be the bullet of choice. Hunting will mostly be between 4-8,000 feet, 40 grain VMAX probably works well ( I'm assuming 1:12 twist, 1:11 perhaps, if available, but is not a big factor in choosing the rifle). Load devlopment will be done at about 700' altitude. I've got a selection of other bullets on hand for load development - whatever shoots best.

I don't need to shoot in the extremes of early/late day light. I've already purchased a Zeiss HD5 5-25 x 50 scope for it.

The rifle itself though... When I first got the idea of a bird head rifle, I was reading/thinking about a Savage Model 12 (VLP), but at 10 pounds bare, I'm greatly deterred - roughly 13 pounds all up, plus everything else for a 5-10 mile walking hunt is more weight than I want for this (I might as well hunt sheep with that load). A bare rifle closer to or less than 8 pounds would be much better.

I'd like to have the rifle in-hand by early April, and load development finished by early May.

So, If I increased the budget from the cost of a Mod 12 VLP to $2,000, what are the top 3-4 rifles, or action/barrel/stock, that I should be considering?
 
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I doubt you find a quality smith that'll barrel and bed a rifle by April. (I'm pretty snobby about rifle work.)

I'll be feeding my pet dragon, so PM me if you need anymore advice about this Bigfoot hunt.

P.S. (AKA item 4). If you can read wind and shoot well enough to hold .4 MOA at 250 and beyond with .20 calibers, you should probably be shooting for a living.
 
If you can shoot half as good as you think you can, you need to come to the Egg Shot next sept, you are a guaranteed winner.

Finding a rifle to shoot groups like that is the easy part, learning to shoot consistently that well from field positions is the hard part. I have a half dozen guns that will break an egg at 300 yards, it took me 5 years to do it consistently at 150 yards from a field position. I'm pretty sure that at 250 it would be a crapshoot every time for me.
 
Nope, not me........



But welcome to PM.
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A head shot is a head shot, as long as you don't plan on eating the heads I would go for over kill, something that won't notice much wind out to 250 yards. I've shot plenty of 223 to 300+ and wind is a killer, never shot the .20s but I imagine wind will have a decent affect on those little things even though they are smoking fast.

I've got a monster Fclass style 260AI that really ignores wind at those close distances, I would go with a 243 or something similar if you want to fight wind as much as possible.
 
And I always thought you hunted them with a shotgun. Sounds like a .17hmr is what you need. Accurate and flat shooting out to 1/4 mile.
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Lol CZ - Actually, I did once upon a time shoot for a living - member of the First Army team. And yep, this sure pushes my ability to/past the limit. However, my goal is for a rifle that is capable of it - I'll adjust my shooting range limits to prevailing condition shots I can make a high percentage of the time; we're not talking about high value targets except in a moral sense; and there's another .1 moa in the bullet's inner quadrant.

Yep, a custom rifle seems impossible. Even a 'semi-custom' unlikely, but my chances increase if I'm brand flexible. And yes, many calibers would buck the wind better, but I'm happy with the limitations of the .204.

Again, I've asked for thoughts on a rifle with certain characteristics and performance abilities in ideal conditions. No offense, but focusing on the real world utility of that specification is ... well, it may be helpful and interesting to many readers, but is not what I'm seeking.
 
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Originally Posted By: nlolfocusing on the real world utility of that specification is ...

wouldnt want to focus on anything from the real world while throwing around a bunch of bs on the internet. surely not. lol

be un-American.
 
Originally Posted By: hm1996Nope, not me........



But welcome to PM.
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My thoughts exactly.

I wouldn't say chit if I had a mouth full of it.
 
I'm thinking nlol may have set the bar for first day popularity. That's a crown I was quite fond of, but if he wants it he can have it!
 
Call Jim Briggs at Northland Shooters Supply, he specializes in aftermarket Savages.

I've got a gun from him that shoots fantastic. I'm basically his neighbor and have visited with him multiple time and seen many of his targets from guns he has made for himself. These things will hold ptarmigan head out to 200 at least.

He carries Criterion barrels you can get in .204, if he has some in stock all you have to wait for is shipping. He also carries stocks and actions, let him know what you are looking for and see if he has it.

http://northlandshooterssupply.com/
 
So, will this "hunt" be for White tailed (Lagopus leucura), rock (L. muta) or willow (L. lagopus)?

I suspect there should be careful consideration given due to the difference in home range, and the cover on said home range as it relates to 250 yard head shots.

WOW..... I have seen it all.
 
Originally Posted By: CZ527I'm thinking nlol may have set the bar for first day popularity. That's a crown I was quite fond of, but if he wants it he can have it!



im thinking you should keep the crown you have and they can make this guy a new one so that it fits his head perfect. its the right thing to do.
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Hahaha, I don't know what you guys are getting so worked up about. I used to take old high brass 12ga shells and hang them from branches and bushes and shoot the brass out to 150 yards, that was with a cheapo model1sales 24" AR no bipod and usually just finding any low branches I could to use as a rest. When my dad was an elk guide in Idaho once tags were filled they would go hunt grouse with handguns.

You've got roughly a 2" round target in a ptarmigan head, at 200 yards with a quality rifle and ammo that doesn't take a miracle to hit.
 
Contact Northland Shooters Supply, that will be your best bet in getting an accurate rifle put together ASAP, I was looking through his website last night and he has a 26" shilen .204 Rem on sale for $289.
 
The accuracy isn't the issue. It's the field conditions, moving target, 20 caliber, bullet choice, etc.

Then there's the bit about shooting fowl with a rifle that probably bothers some.
 
Originally Posted By: Rock KnockerI bet Jerry Miculek could do it with a 38spl Jframe held upside down.

In .017 seconds of course.
 
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