Public school teachers suck

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Public school teachers suck. Just throwing it out there. Who wants to face this sad fact?
Go to school, collect your pay and scream for more while you sit on your fat, public [beeep]!



I feel sorry for your ignorance. Or stupidity, which ever applies best. Obviously you have an axe to grind and lack the capacity to express yourself and convey your concerns in an intellegent manner. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
As I work for the school system, but not as a teacher, I believe the decine started a long time ago. I also belive it started when the right to enforce corporal punishment was taken away and when parents started to be ruled by their children because of the liability of encarceratin for physically punishing a child.
Sure there are teachers who don't do as much as they can. But there are far more children who have no respect for adults, teachers , or even their parents. Starting teachers here get paid less than a maintanance worker who has been with the district for a while.
 
ArkyYoker,

Made God bless your Wife and all she did for her students. My son has an affection for several of his teachers who took him under there wing. They stay in contact and come to see his B-Ball games even though he has been long gone from there class room.

I feel bad about the original post as some kids may not have great teachers as my boy did. Its a horendous reality that some folks should not be teachers and he must have drawn the crap card.

The fact still remains that there are way more mentor's like Arky's wife than there are bad ones and to generalize that there all under par is just plain arrogant,

I hope that Ronald can find a way to make it right with-in his school system. All kids deserve a fair shake at climbing the ladder of success and it all starts with knowlage aquired in the grade schools.

Ronald,

Raise some hell with the teacher who's not getting the job done but leave the rest alone cause they are doing there best!!
 
Teacher's don't make policy. Teachers don't buy or print textbooks. Teachers aren't responsible for the political correctness/tolerance/sensitivity dogma that our culture has grown to worship. Teachers are just an easy target.
 
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Teacher's don't make policy. Teachers don't buy or print textbooks. Teachers aren't responsible for the political correctness/tolerance/sensitivity dogma that our culture has grown to worship. Teachers are just an easy target.



Bingo! But, being that the latest crop of them are products of the same system, they are more than eager to continue to promote the cycle.

I have a cousin in her mid-fifties who is constantly fighting the mandates of the public school system. She still insists on respect, discipline, and order in her classroom.

I also have a daughter in her late 20's who is a (public) school teacher. The two are as different as night and day. So are their classrooms.
 
I will admit that I was mad when I made the above post.
There are a few good teachers out there. Very few. Most of the teachers that I had and that I see in the public schools today are pathetic.
Nasa is right about the current crop of teachers perpetuating their lefty agenda that the NEA is famous for.
I appologize to any good teacher out there that I may have offended. To the rest of them, well, they need to peel their asses off the chair and go to work.
By the way, some teachers in this area are making $70,000 a year for their so-called services. I am a prison guard in California and I make more than that but I wouldnt do my job for a penny less.
I signed up to do my job and earn my pay. I do my job. I have to deal with policies that I dont agree with but I still do my job and I do it legally and diligently.
Most teachers that I have seen do not. I'm just being honest and throwing it out there the way I see it.
GC, maybe you have had good teachers in the past and maybe you are a teacher, what ever you are I dont care. I know that most, not all, but most teachers in the public school system that I know are not worth their present pay.
Like I said in the above post, my boys teacher said one thing at the parrent teacher conference and then did another.
Another one of my boys teachers sits at her desk all day and does nothing. This is information I got from my son and and I have taught him to respect his teachers and be respectful to everyone. I know he would not make up such a thing.
I also have relatives that are public school teachers. They have informed me of some of the attitudes of the public school teachers they have known and I promise you your childs best interests are not their concern. They are there to collect a pension and kick back until they retire.
 
In life we have those that do and those that complain.
principal, that is exactaly what the local teachers are doing. Complaining.
They are complaining about their wages, and benefits.
I just cannot see what they are DOING other than COMPLAINING.
Like I said, I have seen a few good teachers. The good ones were the minority. Some teachers that I had did little more than exist in the classroom when I was in school.
I'm just calling it like I see it.
I would not be complaining if the teachers were not complaining and doing their jobs.
I dont live in a crime ridden ghetto. The teachers up here dont have to deal with "thugs". They get paid well enough and in my opinion are not holding up their end of the deal.
 
Arkansas as well.....

As I said Ronald, I understand your frustration, but the statement you made wasn't fair. You are speaking of tens of thousands of teachers.....to compare all of them to the few you reference is jaded at best.

I appreciate your career choice, and respect it. I too have enforced policies with which I didn't agree, as is the case with most career LEO's. There are a few bad apples in the LEO community as well. I have known some pretty sorry/lazy/uncaring LEOs in my time...doesn't make US all bad /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif....just food for thought my friend.....

Let's get to killin' yotes /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif I enjoy your posts and pictures!!


Joe
 
Ron-

I agree. There is no room for complaining in education. Problem solving yes - complaining no.

I have long said that I knew when I went into education that I would never be rich.

Remember - EVERYONE has a boss. If you feel that stongly I applaud your position.

This has been a very well posted debate!

Happy yoty hunting!

Derek
aka principal
 
Many good points made by all. My wife is now a truant officer for a local school district that is just one point above a ghetto.

I spent 23 years going to schools when needed as a street cop. As I speak today it's all about political correctness in my view. The school cops now on campus can tell you some real horror stories about what goes on in the school system.

Us older guys who pay attention to what is going on have seen the changes in all areas of education.

Still many great teachers out there without question who care about their kids, but the lack of discipline in the schools and those administrators and teachers who don't want the hassel of taking unruly kids or parents on or getting sued if they due. So lack of support for the teachers doing there job has help to create this mess.

Cops being called to schools for the most simple things because the school administration don't want the liability if something goes wrong. No fortitude what so ever. Left wing democrats if I have ever seen them.

Without question and I will argue till I die the tone of any school generally starts with the principal if he/she has the backing of the district bosses.

Very few school employees at various levels who take charge make decisions and do what is right anymore. The system failed these people long ago. And those fine teachers who try to do what is right and are shot down and told not to rock the boat are the ones my heart goes out to.

My 11 year old daughter is with friends in Idaho right now going to school and experiencing what real schools are all about. 16 kids in class doing old types of school activities, the teachers are what the old style are all about and discipline problems are not heard of.

I miss her dearly but what she is experiencing right now will only help her and is good for her mindset. She left a pretty good school that is going downhill quickly because the principal has no BALLS in dealing with problems and is so none confrontational, nothing much gets done when the thugs move into the school.

I do not want to think of what I would do if something happened to my daughter if the punks in some of these schools hurt her. So many good kids trying to learn but can't because of the things that are going on in the schools.

I support any person in the public profession who is trying to do what is right. I have no time for the whimps who want to be nothing but politically correct. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif

Now that I'm off my soap box I'd like the say THANK YOU!!!
 
Dogboy what you described is a very typical public school. More competition and vouchers for private schools would help change that. It would probably also end the Leftwing NEA as we know it today. Good schools and teachers are to key to America's future. Since the late 60's we've been headed down this road it's a mess and it needs to be changed.
 
Teachers need something to work with. The product of too many American families are snot nosed brats which need their a$$ busted more often than not for their behavior and attitude. That doesn't happen because their mommy and daddy raise hell and threaten a lawsuit if their poor child, who is victimized by the school, is embarrassed. Let alone touched by an administrator. Take the politics and lawyers out of schools and bring God back. Yes, throw out the NEA also! BTW, they aren't too strong here in my neck of the woods.

Another rant. Slap some intials behind some students and give them "special" status because they're LD, BD, ADHD, EMH, and they pretty much have the run of the school. Not all, but too many of these kids need these intials, L.A.Z.Y. And the parents as well. Yet these are the parents that scream foul the loudest. In my experience it should often be the other students parents whose child is held back because the teacher has to deal with the integrated classroom. I know this isn't going to be a popular view and I do have compassion for those parents with special needs children that truly try to do the right thing. However, many of the parents I see in this situation are more concerned with the extra money they can get on the welfare check because of the intials attatched to their kid. This becomes a crutch some kids rely on to bully their way through school. I recently had to take a 6th grader to Juvenile because he sexually assualted his teacher. His first words to me when I entered the room were, "I have an IEP, you can't touch me!" Surprise, surprise. All the way to lock up he kept telling me he had forgotten to take his medicine. Sorry about that, that doesn't mean you can grab your teachers breast and tell her you want a headjob. She should have kicked him in the sack for what he did to her. That would have been the best lesson he could have learned. Of course, she was afraid to defend herself for fear of getting into trouble. Education be damned.

We reward good behavior as something exceptional. Bull$hit, that's something that should be expected as routine!

Want to blame teachers? They work for near poverty wage and are required to have a Masters Degree! They spend $60,000 on an education and are required to continually keep refreshed with the latest techniques and tools. Fine. Pay them accordingly. A line worker in any auto shop ruled by the UAW with a High School or GED education that slaps the bumper on a mini van makes 3 - 4 times their pay. You could train a monkey to do his job. Teaching is a skill, a near art form. Skilled educators have fun teaching and their students have fun learning. Teaching is a calling, one of compassion. I cannot begin to tell you how many pairs of shoes, coats, clothing items, eyeglasses, field trips, special lunches, ect. my wife and I have paid for. We are not exceptional. Lot's of teachers do the same for their kids. They do so because they CARE. Where's the justice?

Teachers are no longer responsible for teaching a reasonably well behaved child the subject lesson. Now the schools are saddled with literally raising children and providing child care services for parents too irresponsible and lacking the skills necessary to raise their own offspring. Schools feed them breakfast, snacks, lunch, and with some programs after school dinners. Schools teach character education and health, even sex education. These are things that should be taught at home by responsible parents. Kids should not be at school from 7A.M until 7P.M. through some sort of after school program. Discipline is best handled at home. If a kid gets in trouble at school, there should be real consequences for their actions. The Principal shouldn't be the one they fear, it should be the father at home who is going to reinforce personal responsibility for their behavior.

Better look closer to home I say. Want better kids and schools? Be better parents America!

That concludes my rant. Flame away...
 
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Teachers are no longer responsible for teaching a reasonably well behaved child the subject lesson. Now the schools are saddled with literally raising children and providing child care services for parents too irresponsible and lacking the skills necessary to raise their own offspring. Schools feed them breakfast, snacks, lunch, and with some programs after school dinners. Schools teach character education and health, even sex education. These are things that should be taught at home by responsible parents. Kids should not be at school from 7A.M until 7P.M. through some sort of after school program. Discipline is best handled at home. If a kid gets in trouble at school, there should be real consequences for their actions. The Principal shouldn't be the one they fear, it should be the father at home who is going to reinforce personal responsibility for their behavior.

Better look closer to home I say. Want better kids and schools? Be better parents America!

That concludes my rant. Flame away...



You mean Hillary was wrong when she said it takes a village?
 
Quote from GC>I cannot begin to tell you how many pairs of shoes, coats, clothing items, eyeglasses, field trips, special lunches, ect. my wife and I have paid for.

GC, I have also bought shoes, coats and other necessities for children other than my own, that their parents failed to provide.
I respect you and your wife for doing such a thing. Its not your responsibility, but you did it anyway.
Yes, God should have never been taken out of the classroom, but he was! A few secular people did that and we are all paying for it.


Quote from GC>Schools feed them breakfast, snacks, lunch, and with some programs after school dinners. Schools teach character education and health, even sex education. These are things that should be taught at home by responsible parents. Kids should not be at school from 7A.M until 7P.M. through some sort of after school program.

Yup, I agree that these are things that should be handled at home. Kids need to be taught that they will be held accountable for their actions. They must know that there will be consequences for their actions. I babysit a bunch of misguided citizens that grew up with no discipline or accountability.
That kid that groped on that teacher should have been taken out back and taught not to do that again, in a meaningful and memorable kind of way. After the eye opening session out back he should have been talked to about how wrong it was to do such a thing.
I know you could not do it that way but a kid like that is on his way to prison and the fact that he had the nerve to do such a thing shows me he is already a lost cause.
I keep my kids involved in sports, community activities and hunting. They attend church every Sunday. I try like hell to set a good example for them.
I grew up watching my dad get up every morning and go to work. He was a good example of a man.
Alot of kids these days are not taught to be self sufficient and responsible. They are taught by their mediocre parents to get by any way they can with minimal effort and take every gimme they can get.

I teach my kids that they will be held accountable for their actions and that there is consequences for bad behavior. I also teach them that when they grow up they will be competing with the whole world for everything. Learning is important, school is important.
I also believe that parents are the main teachers for their children.
I just had to say that I am not pleased with the way the school system is set up and where it appears to be going. I blew up on the PM church of the painful truth forum.
I appologize to any good teacher or citizen that I may have offended when I started this thread. I admit that I was mad when I started this thread. I get fed up and have to blow off some steam sometimes. Sorry I did it here.
 
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Better look closer to home I say. Want better kids and schools? Be better parents America!





Well said GC!! A sad fact of today's society is that it's always everyone elses fault, so blame the next guy for everything that goes wrong. MI VHNTR
 
Ronald, it's all good Sir /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif.....kill some yotes and post me some pics so I can be jealous!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Joe
 
Unfortunately you will never see the NEA go away because that is what most teachers rely on when the get accused of something from some kid or parent with an agenda. Without the NEA the good ones would go away.
Ron, I hope you talked to the teacher or other higher up about the problem.
 
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