Question about open reed calls?????

Seems like it varies from horn to horn, including shape. I have heard some buffalo horn howlers that sounded about as good as it gets.
 
The first time I tried a yote open reed call it sounded like, well, bad. And it was from a guy that make some of the best! So instead of blaming the call or the design of the call I did research and listened to countless youtube demos and then tried to learn from them.

I can tell you that I now have a lot of really pissed off dogs in my neighborhood!!!

But, since my family has 700 acres and we always here coyotes, I am now able to get them to respond to me using the call. It is pretty thick here so I have little chance of getting a shot, but I can sure stir them up and can here them close by in the woods.

Just saying, no ducks have landed near me using the coyote call.....
 
Originally Posted By: TNYotehntrTalk about tooting your own horn!
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I'm not shy....besides I make some of the best howlers out there.... toot,toot.
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Here's my opinion, although it isn't worth a tinker's ****, (to most people)........


Open reed; closed reed; diaphragm; Power Howler; ect.......Regardless of the type of howler.....

#1) It can be the best made in the business, and if the person trying to use it a) doesn't know how to use it; or b) knows, but hasn't/doesn't spend any time practicing, trying to get more proficient...even that "best" will sound terrible.
#2) I'm sure that a "World Champion" caller, could take a well-made, yet "nothing-special" howler (again of any type)...and with a little practice make excellent sounds on it.


In the past few years, I have seen/heard guys who admitted to never picking up a hand call of any type before...pick up or buy an open-reed howler & expect it to sound perfect the first time they blew on it...and then complain about the call...instead of admitting that the problem might be unrealistic expectations, and not the call itself.

I do not know the "World Champ", but know enough about him, to make this claim: I would bet that even he would admit that to get to World Champ level, he has to practice, regardless of what type of call he prefers to use.



My point...long-winded as it may be...is just this: People need to get off of this "this one's better than that one"; or "diaphragms are better than _____"; or "blue bubble gum makes bigger bubbles and pops louder than red bubble gum"; yada yada yada.
And realize that ALL of these different types of calls sound better to a person, if that person actually puts some time into learning how to properly use them.

Yes, some guys are better with diaphragms.
Some are better with Power Howlers.
Some are better with open-reed howlers.
People...we are ALL different. We all use each call differently.

{EXAMPLE: Rick Paillet's "Syco Tweety" distress call. I think that anyone who has ever heard Rick use this call...whether in person or on DVD...or has used the call themselves......can readily admit that Rick has a very unique way of using the call, and therefore gives it a rather unique sound. I have used this call very successfully over the years, yet I know for a fact that I can't come close to making it sound like Rick does. Can you???}

So, why do we always try to say that "this one is better than that one"? Seriously...as long as we each learn how to properly use the type we each enjoy using, then does it really matter??

I don't know.
Maybe I'm just on this island by myself.

To MY knowledge, I don't think that I have ever come out (whether on PM, another forum, or facebook), and claimed that MY howlers are better than anyone else's.
{If I'm wrong, and have stated that...then by all means, tell me that I'm full of it.}

I KNOW, beyond any shadow of a doubt...there are many, many custom made howlers (regardless of toneboard or body materials) that put mine to shame. And quite honestly, at this point in my call-making hobby, they should...since some of these excellent howlers are/were made by mentors of mine.

Heck, there might even be "production" howlers that are better than mine. Again, they should be, since the people designing them get paid nice money to design them...and I make mine in my front yard, by hand.

OK...that all being said....While I will NEVER claim that my howlers are "the best"....in the right hands (not my hands), whether it be out in the middle of a Nevada desert. or on a stage somewhere....I do have enough confidence in the call's performance to say that a "World Champ" could get worthy-quality performance out of one of my howlers.



Anyone who disagrees with my above opinions...that is entirely your right to do so.
I respect that right, and will not disagree with you.

Thank you all for your time...especially those who took the time to read this entire post.
 
Some of the "best" ones have ended up in pictures labeled "found this duck call laying in a field" or being used as a door stop. The guys that have been around awhile will remember them,I think about those all the time I'm making a call....
 
Originally Posted By: canislatrans54Here's my opinion,.......

My point...long-winded as it may be...is just this: People need to get off of this "this one's better than that one"; or "diaphragms are better than _____"; or "blue bubble gum makes bigger bubbles and pops louder than red bubble gum"; yada yada yada.

I get what you are saying, but it just aint that way...the entire world turns on the fact that people are going to buy what they decide they like or because they believe it is "best" for them. You are not going to change this. You cannot, as a business man, produce what you like or believe in and then choke it down the rest of the worlds throat...you will starve. I learned a long time ago regarding business and it has served me well, one...don't argue with people, just take the money and run...and two, it's a lot easier to come down in price than it ever will be to go up.
I am not saying any one brand or type is better or best. I am not qualified to do that with many things, especially howlers. I get that like anything it takes practice. That is the challenge and the part I enjoy almost as much as calling up an animal.
 
Will... Sounded almost like you were holding back a little there bud; why don't you tell us what's really on your mind.
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Uhmmmmm, yeah... What Will said!
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Blow what makes you happy, blow what works, blow whatever makes the neighbor's dog grumpy! I've blown a lot of different open reed calls, and I've yet to land one duck in the fish pond!! Called in a few yotes, got half the dogs in the neighborhood excited a few calm nights, got the neighbor's dog out back excited more than once, because he gets the other neighbor excited, and I get a kick out of him dumping AK magazines trying to get the dog to shut up. (It's cheap entertainment! I step out back howl a few notes, dog starts raising [beeep], and pretty soon it sounds like WW III out back!! It's a blast!!!
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You guys all drive the same truck? Wear the same boots? Shoot the same gun? Love the same food? Listen to the same music? Why would you think for a minute that you would all agree that any one call makes the best coyote howl? If it calls yotes, use it! If it sounds like a duck, grab your shotgun and head for the nearest slough!! When you got a few minutes practice. Then practice some more. Then go to the field and practice and see if yotes come to whatever racket you're making! If they don't; practice some more. Read everything you can get your hands on, and practice some more.
 
Best sounding howler (to me) was the lohman mega howler,I misplaced it years ago and haven't been able to replace it.
 
In my opinion, the howler isn't the only thing that makes the tone. It amplifies the tone that you give it. I was a brass performer in college something very important to playing a pure sounds caused by vibrations; which isn't pure at all unless its severely refined, aka a long distance for the sound to be produced from the bell, you literally sing into the instrument.. Ie: a short instrument like a bugle is raspier (quackier) than a tuba. So to gain a pure sound on a short instrument such as a howler you sing, or hum the pitch into the instrument while still making the instrument play. It will fill the voids in the air caused by vibration.

A thinner or skinnier reed will by less quacky but also not produce the volume because they can stick if you blow too hard. A reed too thick or wide will break and be raspy. Both can be used. I have both and both howl great personally. You just have to know how to play them.

Try what I said earlier. Youll feel like an idiot until you get it, but when you get your voice and the voice of of the instrument working together you will be throwing out duotone instead of monotone and may surprise yourself.
 
Oh and that goes for any call. Not just a mylar howler, or latex(which is why it sounds more realistic) it throws different tones from different tensions on the reed across the toneboard). It also goes for closed reed distress, open reed distress, anything.
 
Originally Posted By: LONEHOWLMSINC...You have the right attitude towards it all.
Good luck in your search for "the one" : )
Mark

Thank you sir...I am getting set to pull the trigger on a few.
 
Originally Posted By: msincOriginally Posted By: canislatrans54Here's my opinion,.......

My point...long-winded as it may be...is just this: People need to get off of this "this one's better than that one"; or "diaphragms are better than _____"; or "blue bubble gum makes bigger bubbles and pops louder than red bubble gum"; yada yada yada.

I get what you are saying, but it just aint that way...the entire world turns on the fact that people are going to buy what they decide they like or because they believe it is "best" for them. You are not going to change this. You cannot, as a business man, produce what you like or believe in and then choke it down the rest of the worlds throat...you will starve. I learned a long time ago regarding business and it has served me well, one...don't argue with people, just take the money and run...and two, it's a lot easier to come down in price than it ever will be to go up.
I am not saying any one brand or type is better or best. I am not qualified to do that with many things, especially howlers. I get that like anything it takes practice. That is the challenge and the part I enjoy almost as much as calling up an animal.


You are correct, sir. it isn't that way. I am very well aware that we all are going to buy and use what we each feel best suits our desires. I just get tired of the seemingly constant "this one's better than that one".
It reminds me too much of days in Kindergarten, and every boy shouting "My dad's bigger and tougher than your dad is".
Which is "best" is irrelevant, because we DO each have our own preferences.
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Sir, I humbly apologize if I offended you or anyone else. That wasn't my intent.

As far as me being a "businessman"....I guess THAT is a matter of perspective as well.
Yes, I sell my calls.
However, I don't do it as a business. It is a pure hobby. So, I don't actually see myself as a businessman.
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And, I certainly don't try to "choke it down anyone's throat". (no, I don't think that you meant anything by using those terms)

Again, I'm sorry for any offense. I am not the best with words...in person, nor online.
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