Questions about shooting steel targets

Sweatybetty i thought a long time before building the swinger. But shooting expandable bullets i just dont see coming back like a FMJ might i wont shoot steel with Ball ammo.
 
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Originally Posted By: sweatybettypersonally, i wont shoot steel targets.



ahhh you beat me to it!! i love that video!

what makes me laugh is the fact that these guys are taking a gun made to make stopping a jeep at 600+ yards easy. yet theyre shooting it at maybe 100-200 yards... always remember a 650 grain jacketed chunk of lead can go as far backwards as it did forwards
 
Quote:But shooting expandable bullets i just dont see coming back like a FMJ might

Shot a lot of them into steel and rocks and never had one come back. They'll spray horizontal a good distance, though.
They'll get your tire before long.
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I won't shoot 22LR into plywood, I heard a couple of them whistle past my head and wised up before I got hit.
 
Originally Posted By: Evil_Lurker
I won't shoot 22LR into plywood, I heard a couple of them whistle past my head and wised up before I got hit.

I'd think that would make you learn fast.
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Shooting .22lr at a hanging piece of steel at 100 yards or more shouldn't be a problem, should it? I plan to make them angle slighty away while hanging, to send them mostly down into the ground.
 
Originally Posted By: LeviSS

Shooting .22lr at a hanging piece of steel at 100 yards or more shouldn't be a problem, should it? I plan to make them angle slighty away while hanging, to send them mostly down into the ground.

shouldnt just shoot lead bullets nothing with any type of jacket. i go to the thrift stores and buy big thick botomed pots and pans for shooting with .22lr havnet had any nasty ricochets yet
 
I've never had 22LR bounce off of steel. They flatten out like a razor blade and splatter horizontally. I find the chunks from our swinging plates right under them. Unjacketed lead won't bounce.

In the plywood, they were keyholing from the backer board and hitting the plywood (behind the backer) sideways, and bouncing straight back. I had a pile of scrap plywood behind the target, which I discovered was a very bad idea.
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Straight-on into plywood and I doubt it would happen.
 
Originally Posted By: Evil_LurkerStraight-on into plywood and I doubt it would happen.



That's what I thought, but can't say that I've ever shot plywood with a .22lr.

Most of the time with the bigger calibers, I'll be shooting ballistic tips, and maybe some hollow points. I never shoot fmj.
 
I know this is an old thread, but this topic is something I know a bit about. I make my own hardened steel targets, so...
I'll answer a few questions from my experiences shooting steel. First, commercial target manufacturers recommend shooting their ar500 targets with lead only in handgun calibers. This, I assume, is not because the target can't handle the jacketing, but is a recommendation made to reduce risk of ricochets to the shooter because of the shorter distance when using handguns. I'll add something else here: Never, NEVER shoot steel with shotgun slugs. A police sniper buddy tells me they mushroom upon impact, basically turn inside out then return in the direction they came from. Injuries have resulted...
In long range rifle chamberings, some recommend limiting the velocity of the cartridge to less than 3000 fps. My experience shooting my own targets is that velocity is irrelevant by itself. The damage done to targets is a function of mass x velocity, not one or the other by itself. On my targets, a .308 bullet traveling 2500-2600 fps did slightly more damage than a .223 bullet running 3350. Also, full metal jacket bullets tend to leave more of a mark than soft point or hollow point, so those are definitely not recommended, not because of ricochets, but to extend the life of the target. Full metal jacket bullets turn to powder upon impact just like soft points.
If you hang a target using rope or strap, you want to be sure that no part of the rope or strap is protruding from the front of the target, even if it is well above the target area. When bullets impact the front of the target, they spray copper jacketing and lead in all directions, and if your rope or strap is in the way of any of it, you'll likely have to replace it before long. I have a life-sized prairie dog that I shot last time I was out and after 15 shots, I noticed a freshly dug 2-inch deep trench extending two feet on either side of the target. So exposed ropes/straps are a no no. Chains are better.
In regard to the thickness of the target, I use 3/8" 4140 alloy hardened to 52 Rockwell/500 Brinell. This is enough for standard and varmint calibers, but magnum rounds have a bit too much horsepower. I shot one of my prairie dogs with a 180 grain .300 Weatherby Magnum traveling 3250 fps, and while the bullet turned to powder and totally disintegrated, it still punched a plug out of the point of impact on the target. The target very nearly defeated the .300 wby mag though, because I found the plug from the target laying on the ground next to the target. If the magnum round had been way too much for the target I'd never have found it. Also, it occurred to me after punching a hole in my target I should pepper the area around the hole made by my .300 with .223 and see if I could damaged it further. No such luck. It held up with no problems, no fragmentation occurred.
One more thing. Distance is up to you, but I recommend shooting steel at a minimum of 100 yards for safety, but there is another side to this. One of the satisfying things about shooting steel is hearing the SMACK of the bullet when it impacts the target. At 100 yards, there isn't much time between the report of the gun and the sound of the impact. The further away the target, the more distinctly you will hear that deeply satisfying KA-SMACK. This is one of the reasons metal targets are also called reactive targets, because you get some feedback! Shooting steel at distances of 300 yards or greater is a unique experience that everyone should try, IMHO...
I am by no means an expert on this topic, but if anyone has questions not answered here, feel free to message me, and I'll answer the best I can...
 
I bought several round AR500 steel targets from qualitytargets.com and service/communication was great. I've been hammering them the past month or so with lots of 5.56 military ball at 100 yards. Also a buttload of 22LR, 22Mag, 22 Hornet. The 5.56 fmj will leave a tiny, tiny dimple.

I would like to get more CLANG! out of it. I understand the point above about rifle report muffling some of the clang and I won't be able to do much about that. The AR500 made a loud ring when I held it in front of me and hit it with a wrench but it doesn't ring as much when I suspend it by 2 chains. It seems the weight of the gong pulling down against the chain does something to dampen the ringing vibrations. I can hear it most of the time although note the ring is louder depending where you hit the target.
 
My 1000 yard gong is a 22" roan plow disk, off a plow that's pulled behind a dozer. Even the .338 Lapua Mag. only knocks the paint off with no mark on the steel. My 600 yard gong is some hard plate out of a salvage yard. The .338 puts a small dimple in it. My 500 yard gong is regular 1/2" soft plate and 300 Win. Mag. will shoot through it almost every hit. My 300 yard gong is 4"x4" and is made out of road grader blade,(the part that wears out) and will take most hits with most calibers with little damage. Gongs need to be made out of hardened plate to last any time. Salvage yards are good places to save money, most will even cut what you need for not much money. They also have scrap chain for cheap.

I have tried normal farming plow disk, but I have broken them in half when hit, too thin I guess.
 
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Find the bit off a dozer blade, they make the best steel targets I have ever seen. I made spin targets out of them, but I am going to change them to swinging target with chains.

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My AR500 10" plate came with instructions to keep IMPACT velocity below 3200fps.

That means shooting from 100+ yards for most standard calibers like 223. 308, 30-06, etc. And 200+ yards for fast calibers like 204, 22-250, 243, etc. Really I don't know why you'd want to shoot steel with a rifle closer than 100 yards, so it shouldn't be an issue.

A swinging or hanging target has some "give" to it that will absorb some of the energy of the impact. In contrast, a static target is more likely to be damaged from high velocity impacts.
 
I've got a plate of ar500 that has taken 100yd hits from a 250 sav. with 115grBT @ 2700fps and a 25-06 115@3130 300saum with both 180gr acubonds and partitions @ 200yds without ill effects.
When I bought mine, I read a review from a guy who shot his plate with a 338 edge @ 100yds just to see what it would do. It left a crater but no more.
 
Here's mine. 4 years old, gets light use from 200-500 yards with a little of everything. 10" AR500 plate is still in 98% condition, shows maybe 15 very shallow dents from my 7.62x54R reloads at 200 yards (180gr Sierra ProHunter SP @ 2700fps). I have no idea why they mark the plate when FMJ surplus does not, nor does anything else.

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300 yards with my 223.
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500 yards with my 223.
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