"Dead Coyote" shotgun shells???

I put the bead on a coyotes face tonight at 45 yards. Sent the 3 inch Dead Coyote load at him. He took off like a rocket never to be seen again.
 
I skin most of the coyotes we kill. I was very surprised to see how much better the HD stuff does on real animals. Its common to find #4 buck smashed flat on leg bones. The HD seems to break the bigger bones at the same ranges. I have never shot the actual DC shells. When we did our testing at 60yds, the HD BB's punched through 3/8 plywood and .050 sheel metal. The #4 Buck didnt get through either. Both were 3.5in shells out of the same gun. I like the sound of that OO Buck and #4 Buck load! Let us know how that works out.
 
Originally Posted By: kilcoyI put the bead on a coyotes face tonight at 45 yards. Sent the 3 inch Dead Coyote load at him. He took off like a rocket never to be seen again.

Not a fair assessment of the loads performance since you admitted you have never patterned your gun, choke, and this load combination. That is exactly like going hunting with a rifle and new scope and load combination without sighting it in at the range first. It isn’t the loads fault if the game doesn’t drop when you don’t do your homework.
 
+1 on the public land.....Here in CA.....non toxic takes up half the state...It goes from what works better to what can you use........You would think there was a condor around every corner!
 
you got a point about the 22-250 gimic thing , but i've did what you said and it looks great on paper but paper aint yotes , i bought the "dead coyote" choke and got better paterns w/ my paternmaster w/ dead coyote, look i've killed them w/ dead yote just seems at the same ranges rem.#4 3" lead buck works better i don't know how to explain it but people here agree, i would buy dead coyote if it worked better beleive me but it doesn't imo.
 
The heavier than lead Dead Coyote, Rem Wingmaster HD Predator "T" shot and the Remington Wingmaster HD Waterfowl BB loads all pattern very good and out penetrate lead by quite a bit. The pellets are much harder than lead and they break bones better than lead.

Do some penetration tests into plywood and catalogs and you will see the penetration difference right away.

I have to shoot lead free shotgun shells at coyotes so I do use the expensive stuff because I don't want to use steel shot.

If I could still use the 3" 1-7/8 oz Federal Premium copper coated lead BB's I would. I don't shoot at many coyotes over 40 yards away, most of them are at 30 yards or less. There is nothing wrong with using good lead number 4 buckshot or BB lead loads, they have worked good for years. The heavier than lead loads are better without a doubt.
 
Shanedogg, Have you tried the the Rem HD Ts? I just thought they patterned a lot better and hit harder than dead coyote. I shoot a 30 in Super Black Eagle 3 1/2 Rem. T.

You have got to do what you have confidence in, I have no problem with that.

As far as 4 buck working better for you that is cool. But I have read threads that say the exact opposite form this one, so the jury is still out, that is the fun of it. GC has proven that Shot guns are limited in range for sure, but I have seen coyotes shot with 4 buck at reasonable ranges keep going and requiring 3 shots to kill or never stop. With a shot gun you just can not place your shot. That is why I like the more pellet theory.

I don't kill as many coyotes as a lot of guys her but I have seen and killed coyotes out to 65 yards with the HD #T and they have all been DRT.

I really don't like 00 buck. at long range at all. It seems that guys think they can shot them out to 100 yards. the limited pellets cause the means you have to rely on the luck pellet phenomenon.

Time will tell, and it will be interesting to see as we gain more knowledge, you guys could be right, and I respect your opinions.
 
I like DC loads. I like'em even better when I'm paying $24.00 a box for 3.5".

Depending on conditions I'll run DC and plated buck or DC and plated BB.
 
Gas is 3 bucks a gallon now so if I am spending 60 bucks just to go calling for 1 day I am not worried about shell cost. I want the best product so when dead coyote was not leaving them dead right there I started handloading lead even though heavyshot is available to load. Dead coyote was just to inconsistent on killing with one shot.
 
I think the secret is to use what patterns well in your shotgun. No matter what you put down range, if it has huge holes in the pattern, or is wide open your going to be disappointed with the round no matter what it costs, or what its potential is.

I have yet to shot a coyote with "dead coyote" so I can't comment on its performance on game. I'm wanting to try the box I have, but I don't use a shotgun much at all, preferring to use a rifle, saving the shot gun for the hard chargers.
 
Originally Posted By: 204AR The #4 buck and bigger pellets don't seem to need so many extra shots.
204AR,
I've found the same thing. I have a Pattermaster (long range) choke tube in my Mossberg 500 Turkey Special that has a 20" barrel. It will pattern Federal Premium 00 Buck at 100% inside a 30" circle at 40 yards. Actually the best of the shot pattern could be inside 20" at the same 40 yards.

Even so, I'd still like to pattern some #4 Buck, at the same distances.

Good hunting, Bowhunter57
 
Originally Posted By: GCOriginally Posted By: kilcoyI put the bead on a coyotes face tonight at 45 yards. Sent the 3 inch Dead Coyote load at him. He took off like a rocket never to be seen again.

Not a fair assessment of the loads performance since you admitted you have never patterned your gun, choke, and this load combination. That is exactly like going hunting with a rifle and new scope and load combination without sighting it in at the range first. It isn’t the loads fault if the game doesn’t drop when you don’t do your homework.

You are right. It may have sounded like I was putting down "Dead Coyote" but I realize that the issue is with the gun and choke. I dont think that load will pattern well with that gun/choke combo.
 
Im [beeep]. you can't carry any thing taht says buck shot so we use T shot in it's place same size as #4 buck .2467 something like that
 
I bought a box of the Dead Coyote to try out. I shot 1 coyote at 60 yards, and the rest from 40 to 50 yds. They all dropped like rocks. When I was skinning them, they all(except the 60 yrd shot) had T-shot that went through their bodies and came out the other side and got stuck in the hair. Although I had pretty good success with #4 buck, I had a few dogs run off, and never found shot penetrate all the way through their body and leave exit wounds. #4 buck is effective also, and I'm not saying I'll never use it again, but in my experience the Dead Coyote has been better. Is it still overpriced? Yes.
 
Has anybody had an ejection issues with Dead Coyote? My Mossberg 500 absolutely will not eject a fired DC hull, but I have never had a problem with Remington buck loads or Federal BB loads. I ended up trading the only DC loads I've ever bought to my hunting partner for some Federal BB...
 
Originally Posted By: Dr. DoomIm [beeep]. you can't carry any thing taht says buck shot so we use T shot in it's place same size as #4 buck .2467 something like that

T and 4 buck are not the same.
T = .20"
F = .22"
4 buck =.24"

Kind of like saying a .204R and a .243 win are the same.
 
I'll stick to 4 buck alot cheaper and works for me. I could afford Dead Coyote but why spend the extra money, I always see mixed results on that ammo anyway for the higher price, but you see mixed results on all ammo reguardless. Really Ammo is the cheapest part of my hunt anyway and one day I'll try Dead Coyote maybe.
 
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