Coyotejunki
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Sounds similar to the story I heard of JFK, PT109 incident. I read that the Navy was going to courtsmarshal him, but the (old man) Joe Kenedy had too much influence.
R.I.P. John McCain
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spotstalkshoot
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Also republicans and Arizona short a Senate vote since Dec 7 2017.
I've heard all these things about mccain for decades. what's true or not, I really don't know. I do know that he volunteered to serve & suffered considerably as a result, so there's that.
but that does not give him a lifetime pass for his conduct and actions in elective office.
what I do know is what he did as a senator. for some years he was even my senator & I got a taste of what that was like, so no, I won't be fawning over what a wonderful guy he was. as my senator he was (fill in the blank but it wasn't good)
he was in the senate for 31 years, and I think 4 years in the house before that. and I can't think of 3 significant legislative things he accomplished in all that time (simply voting for or against something doesn't make the list, what he he actually do?), though I know of a bunch of times he stuck us in the back on a variety of issues. I'd already had enough of mccain the senator by 1998 or so. while I didn't wish him dead, it has turned out that was the only way he was eve going to leave that senate seat LOL. but seeing as how the voters in AZ kept sending him back I can't lay that all on him either.
he had a long & storied life that clearly left conflicting views with people. no matter what any of us see of him from a distance, his family has suffered a loss that they have to deal with, same as the rest of us. but theirs is a far more public figure, sure can't make it any easier for them.
condolences to his family for their loss.
but that does not give him a lifetime pass for his conduct and actions in elective office.
what I do know is what he did as a senator. for some years he was even my senator & I got a taste of what that was like, so no, I won't be fawning over what a wonderful guy he was. as my senator he was (fill in the blank but it wasn't good)
he was in the senate for 31 years, and I think 4 years in the house before that. and I can't think of 3 significant legislative things he accomplished in all that time (simply voting for or against something doesn't make the list, what he he actually do?), though I know of a bunch of times he stuck us in the back on a variety of issues. I'd already had enough of mccain the senator by 1998 or so. while I didn't wish him dead, it has turned out that was the only way he was eve going to leave that senate seat LOL. but seeing as how the voters in AZ kept sending him back I can't lay that all on him either.
he had a long & storied life that clearly left conflicting views with people. no matter what any of us see of him from a distance, his family has suffered a loss that they have to deal with, same as the rest of us. but theirs is a far more public figure, sure can't make it any easier for them.
condolences to his family for their loss.
Mr. Poppadopalis
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Condolences to his family!
I will leave it at that!
I will leave it at that!
TxPigKiller
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He was a dam liberal, period...end of story
None of that stuff matters now. RIP
dogcatcher
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Originally Posted By: ackleymanC.Jay, a friend was stationed on that Aircraft carrier when McCain pulled his stunt. This is why I know the truth. The total was approximately 450 sailors and Marines that were killed and injured in that accident. This incident is well documented.
My brother in law's father was a Combat Air Controller in Vietnam at the time when McCain was shot down, you should have heard him talk about McCain's flying skills. This particular individual was a shore nuff war hero with a wall full of metals including the Silver Star with many hundreds of Marines and Army that owe their very life to his efforts in staying in the fight directing Artillery and support aircraft to units that were under withering fire. He was shot down twice and came back with his little prop plane shot to [beeep] many times.
If you wanted to piss him off, you just mention John McCain's name. He said that the best thing that happened to McCain was that he got shot down and probably saved many Sailor's and Marines lives on an Air Craft carrier!
John Underwood is the Hero's name I speak of, you can look up his service record for yourself.
Can you provide a link to the 450 number?
My brother in law's father was a Combat Air Controller in Vietnam at the time when McCain was shot down, you should have heard him talk about McCain's flying skills. This particular individual was a shore nuff war hero with a wall full of metals including the Silver Star with many hundreds of Marines and Army that owe their very life to his efforts in staying in the fight directing Artillery and support aircraft to units that were under withering fire. He was shot down twice and came back with his little prop plane shot to [beeep] many times.
If you wanted to piss him off, you just mention John McCain's name. He said that the best thing that happened to McCain was that he got shot down and probably saved many Sailor's and Marines lives on an Air Craft carrier!
John Underwood is the Hero's name I speak of, you can look up his service record for yourself.
Can you provide a link to the 450 number?
BillfromHighland
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McCain has now been judged by the only one that matters. Period.
tnshootist
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Whatever he was he is beyond mans judgement now.
Originally Posted By: dogcatcherhttps://www.factcheck.org/2018/08/after-mccains-death-a-false-claim-resurfaces/
This will give you some insight to the cover up.
The number 450 was an estimate from the estimate that I read about in the news paper from years ago. The correct number is a tad over 350.
This will give you some insight to the cover up.
The number 450 was an estimate from the estimate that I read about in the news paper from years ago. The correct number is a tad over 350.
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NdIndy
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Originally Posted By: ackleymanNOT fake news, I remember when it happened!
Let's take a look at the "war hero's" illustrious military career shall we?
His record as a midshipman at the U.S. Naval Academy was dismal. He piled up demerits left and right for breaking the rules, and barely passed his schoolwork, graduating 894th in a class of 899.
He barely passed flight school. And then he crashed two airplanes and damaged a third.
The first crash took place during advanced flight training at Corpus Christi, Texas. According to McCain, the engine stalled while he was practicing landings. The plane fell into the water of the bay just off the airfield and knocked him unconscious. McCain woke up and somehow managed to get out of the cockpit and escaped serious injury. Investigators reported that they started the recovered engine without any problem, and their report left open the possibility of pilot error.
The next accident took place in Spain while McCain was assigned to an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean Sea. He tried to fly his propeller-driven A-1 fighter-bomber under a row of pylon-supported electric power lines. This was a “hot dogging” stunt by U.S. pilots in Europe that had caused outrage. McCain’s plane hit and damaged the lines so badly that thousands of people lost power.
“My daredevil clowning had cut off electricity to a great many Spanish homes,” McCain wrote later, “and created a small international incident.”
In 1965, McCain flew a navy airplane to Philadelphia to attend the Army-Navy football game. On the way back to his base in Norfolk, Virginia, the plane’s engine quit, he said, so he bailed out. The plane crashed and was destroyed.
On the morning of July 29, 1967, McCain was sitting in the cockpit of his Skyhawk waiting to be launched by the ship’s catapult. Another plane accidentally set off a Zuni missile that hit the fuel tank of McCain’s A-4, touching off a fire that spread rapidly across the ship. McCain managed to escape injury, but 134 sailors died and many others were badly burned.
It was the worst U.S. Navy accident since World War Two and the fourth serious accident McCain had been involved in since becoming a pilot. His reputation for being a “hotdog”—a show-off pilot who broke the rules—led to rumors that McCain had caused the fire by trying to scare the pilot behind him by suddenly shooting flames out of his tail exhaust. There was no evidence McCain was at fault and the fire was ruled accidental. But the rumors persisted.
And the strike that got McCain captured by the enemy?....
By his own admission, then, McCain failed to follow instructions in combat. He did not try to evade the missile. Moreover, the pilots who were flying near him, one of them with a handheld camera, said he was not hit by a SAM. He had flown too low and was brought down by a barrage of antiaircraft fire. Since a SAM exploded in a bright orange fireball visible for miles around, it was unlikely that they had called it wrong. And since official navy records listed John McCain as downed by AAA fire, they were puzzled by why he later insisted in his political campaigns that it was a SAM.
As other pilots saw it, John McCain, quite simply, had got himself shot down.
But McCain also made another error in the next four to six seconds after he was hit. He failed to use the proper procedure he had been taught for ejecting. As a result, he injured himself critically, breaking both arms and his right leg.
​Additional information on McCain-Linked Nonprofit Received $1 Million From Saudi Arabia
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...fit-received-1-million-from-saudi-arabia
And then of course there's this, a picture of McStain with his terrorist friends, Al-Qaeda.
[Linked Image]
I'm sure those praising him as a patriot will be okay with finding out his involvement in being one of the key players in illegally attempting to remove a duly elected president with the fake Steele dossier. At least libtards like piddler will.
Traitor. Enemy of the American people. Good riddance.
How can you assign blame to the person that had a missile shot at them?
Let's take a look at the "war hero's" illustrious military career shall we?
His record as a midshipman at the U.S. Naval Academy was dismal. He piled up demerits left and right for breaking the rules, and barely passed his schoolwork, graduating 894th in a class of 899.
He barely passed flight school. And then he crashed two airplanes and damaged a third.
The first crash took place during advanced flight training at Corpus Christi, Texas. According to McCain, the engine stalled while he was practicing landings. The plane fell into the water of the bay just off the airfield and knocked him unconscious. McCain woke up and somehow managed to get out of the cockpit and escaped serious injury. Investigators reported that they started the recovered engine without any problem, and their report left open the possibility of pilot error.
The next accident took place in Spain while McCain was assigned to an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean Sea. He tried to fly his propeller-driven A-1 fighter-bomber under a row of pylon-supported electric power lines. This was a “hot dogging” stunt by U.S. pilots in Europe that had caused outrage. McCain’s plane hit and damaged the lines so badly that thousands of people lost power.
“My daredevil clowning had cut off electricity to a great many Spanish homes,” McCain wrote later, “and created a small international incident.”
In 1965, McCain flew a navy airplane to Philadelphia to attend the Army-Navy football game. On the way back to his base in Norfolk, Virginia, the plane’s engine quit, he said, so he bailed out. The plane crashed and was destroyed.
On the morning of July 29, 1967, McCain was sitting in the cockpit of his Skyhawk waiting to be launched by the ship’s catapult. Another plane accidentally set off a Zuni missile that hit the fuel tank of McCain’s A-4, touching off a fire that spread rapidly across the ship. McCain managed to escape injury, but 134 sailors died and many others were badly burned.
It was the worst U.S. Navy accident since World War Two and the fourth serious accident McCain had been involved in since becoming a pilot. His reputation for being a “hotdog”—a show-off pilot who broke the rules—led to rumors that McCain had caused the fire by trying to scare the pilot behind him by suddenly shooting flames out of his tail exhaust. There was no evidence McCain was at fault and the fire was ruled accidental. But the rumors persisted.
And the strike that got McCain captured by the enemy?....
By his own admission, then, McCain failed to follow instructions in combat. He did not try to evade the missile. Moreover, the pilots who were flying near him, one of them with a handheld camera, said he was not hit by a SAM. He had flown too low and was brought down by a barrage of antiaircraft fire. Since a SAM exploded in a bright orange fireball visible for miles around, it was unlikely that they had called it wrong. And since official navy records listed John McCain as downed by AAA fire, they were puzzled by why he later insisted in his political campaigns that it was a SAM.
As other pilots saw it, John McCain, quite simply, had got himself shot down.
But McCain also made another error in the next four to six seconds after he was hit. He failed to use the proper procedure he had been taught for ejecting. As a result, he injured himself critically, breaking both arms and his right leg.
​Additional information on McCain-Linked Nonprofit Received $1 Million From Saudi Arabia
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...fit-received-1-million-from-saudi-arabia
And then of course there's this, a picture of McStain with his terrorist friends, Al-Qaeda.
[Linked Image]
I'm sure those praising him as a patriot will be okay with finding out his involvement in being one of the key players in illegally attempting to remove a duly elected president with the fake Steele dossier. At least libtards like piddler will.
Traitor. Enemy of the American people. Good riddance.
How can you assign blame to the person that had a missile shot at them?
SixsixtyMags
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What I find interesting is that I have read posts from different people who were on the Forrestal when the tragedy happened. One of them claims he was on the flight deck at the time of the incident and that McCain did start the chain reaction that resulted in the disastrous fire.
Either it was covered up as has been mentioned many times, or there are eye witnesses who are lying for reasons only known to them!
Either it was covered up as has been mentioned many times, or there are eye witnesses who are lying for reasons only known to them!
SlickerThanSnot
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Originally Posted By: SixsixtyMags
Either it was covered up as has been mentioned many times, or there are eye witnesses who are lying for reasons only known to them!
that sums it up pretty well.
Either it was covered up as has been mentioned many times, or there are eye witnesses who are lying for reasons only known to them!
that sums it up pretty well.
Plant.One
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will they just [beeep] bury him already?
i'm sooooo sick of all the TV coverage for this state funeral that i've even turned off fox.
the fawning over him by people who couldnt stand him before he became a never trumper is disgusting. and its even worse by those who have supported him for a long while now. its just sick display of swampism.
for the love of god, i dont even recall princess Dianna getting this much tv time.
so please - and i say this in the nicest way possible - go the [beeep] away john mccain.
i'm sooooo sick of all the TV coverage for this state funeral that i've even turned off fox.
the fawning over him by people who couldnt stand him before he became a never trumper is disgusting. and its even worse by those who have supported him for a long while now. its just sick display of swampism.
for the love of god, i dont even recall princess Dianna getting this much tv time.
so please - and i say this in the nicest way possible - go the [beeep] away john mccain.
GC
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Originally Posted By: Plant.Onewill they just [beeep] bury him already?
i'm sooooo sick of all the TV coverage for this state funeral that i've even turned off fox.
the fawning over him by people who couldnt stand him before he became a never trumper is disgusting. and its even worse by those who have supported him for a long while now. its just sick display of swampism.
for the love of god, i dont even recall princess Dianna getting this much tv time.
so please - and i say this in the nicest way possible - go the [beeep] away john mccain.
Amen... Between the Aretha Franklin mess and McCain debacle I'm tired of dead people.
i'm sooooo sick of all the TV coverage for this state funeral that i've even turned off fox.
the fawning over him by people who couldnt stand him before he became a never trumper is disgusting. and its even worse by those who have supported him for a long while now. its just sick display of swampism.
for the love of god, i dont even recall princess Dianna getting this much tv time.
so please - and i say this in the nicest way possible - go the [beeep] away john mccain.
Amen... Between the Aretha Franklin mess and McCain debacle I'm tired of dead people.