yoteblaster
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Whats a reasonable price to have a Remingotn 700 action blue printed. Is it worth the cost? any suggestions on a gun Smith.
Remington 700 action blue printing
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Ridge Runner
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around 130.00 seems to be the going price, if your gonna buy a custom barrel its well worth it
about any reputable smith will do it, 700's are fairly simple and smiths like to work on them.
RR
about any reputable smith will do it, 700's are fairly simple and smiths like to work on them.
RR
Martyn4802
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+1
Blue printing is recommended. It is one of the variables in the accuracy equation, and if you want the very best accuracy from your rifle, then do it.
Martyn
Blue printing is recommended. It is one of the variables in the accuracy equation, and if you want the very best accuracy from your rifle, then do it.
Martyn
Droopyfur2
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RR has the price about right IMO. for that service only..
Question is if you have a j lock and want it replaced or a firing pin hole needing bushing, the cost of other stuff to make it worthy of a new barrel can add up.
Is it worth it???
Darn good question..
Depends on what you expect it to accomplish for you..
A printed action alone is only part of the total equation for accuracy.
Does it help? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Can't hurt anything other than your pocket book /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
My opinion only for what it's worth.
I have one complete redone 700 action and without a good trigger puller it ain't worth squat /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Question is if you have a j lock and want it replaced or a firing pin hole needing bushing, the cost of other stuff to make it worthy of a new barrel can add up.
Is it worth it???
Darn good question..
Depends on what you expect it to accomplish for you..
A printed action alone is only part of the total equation for accuracy.
Does it help? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Can't hurt anything other than your pocket book /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
My opinion only for what it's worth.
I have one complete redone 700 action and without a good trigger puller it ain't worth squat /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
brdeano
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What all machining processes are you guys talking about when you say "blueprinting"? My smith charges 35$ to Square the action face and lap the bolt lugs.
My last rifle bill was $35 for the above. $75 to chamber, install, crown and test fire on a Rock Creek Blank I sent him. $25 for return shipping/insurance of the new barreled action and old barrel.....$135 total. I've dealt with a few other gunsmiths and these prices are definitely on the low end of the spectrum.
My last rifle bill was $35 for the above. $75 to chamber, install, crown and test fire on a Rock Creek Blank I sent him. $25 for return shipping/insurance of the new barreled action and old barrel.....$135 total. I've dealt with a few other gunsmiths and these prices are definitely on the low end of the spectrum.
Quarter Round
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If you have the connection speed to view YouTube do a search on their sight and you can see all kinds of gunsmith machining work.
Ridge Runner
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What all machining processes are you guys talking about when you say "blueprinting"? My smith charges 35$ to Square the action face and lap the bolt lugs.
My last rifle bill was $35 for the above. $75 to chamber, install, crown and test fire on a Rock Creek Blank I sent him. $25 for return shipping/insurance of the new barreled action and old barrel.....$135 total. I've dealt with a few other gunsmiths and these prices are definitely on the low end of the spectrum.
BR,
I'm talking about whats known as a level 2 blueprint
1) squareing the face of the reciever
2) squaring the bolt face
3)squareing and lapping the bearing surfaces of the lugs
4) single point cutting the reciever threads straight and true with all the above
some smiths will do a trigger job for the same money some charge extra.
RR
What all machining processes are you guys talking about when you say "blueprinting"? My smith charges 35$ to Square the action face and lap the bolt lugs.
My last rifle bill was $35 for the above. $75 to chamber, install, crown and test fire on a Rock Creek Blank I sent him. $25 for return shipping/insurance of the new barreled action and old barrel.....$135 total. I've dealt with a few other gunsmiths and these prices are definitely on the low end of the spectrum.
BR,
I'm talking about whats known as a level 2 blueprint
1) squareing the face of the reciever
2) squaring the bolt face
3)squareing and lapping the bearing surfaces of the lugs
4) single point cutting the reciever threads straight and true with all the above
some smiths will do a trigger job for the same money some charge extra.
RR
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What all machining processes are you guys talking about when you say "blueprinting"? My smith charges 35$ to Square the action face and lap the bolt lugs.
My last rifle bill was $35 for the above. $75 to chamber, install, crown and test fire on a Rock Creek Blank I sent him. $25 for return shipping/insurance of the new barreled action and old barrel.....$135 total. I've dealt with a few other gunsmiths and these prices are definitely on the low end of the spectrum.
BR,
I'm talking about whats known as a level 2 blueprint
1) squareing the face of the reciever
2) squaring the bolt face
3)squareing and lapping the bearing surfaces of the lugs
4) single point cutting the reciever threads straight and true with all the above
some smiths will do a trigger job for the same money some charge extra.
RR
I like to have the recoil lug squared also.
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What all machining processes are you guys talking about when you say "blueprinting"? My smith charges 35$ to Square the action face and lap the bolt lugs.
My last rifle bill was $35 for the above. $75 to chamber, install, crown and test fire on a Rock Creek Blank I sent him. $25 for return shipping/insurance of the new barreled action and old barrel.....$135 total. I've dealt with a few other gunsmiths and these prices are definitely on the low end of the spectrum.
BR,
I'm talking about whats known as a level 2 blueprint
1) squareing the face of the reciever
2) squaring the bolt face
3)squareing and lapping the bearing surfaces of the lugs
4) single point cutting the reciever threads straight and true with all the above
some smiths will do a trigger job for the same money some charge extra.
RR
I like to have the recoil lug squared also.
Jack Roberts
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Anything less than $300 for blueprinting a 700 I would be leery of. I won't touch one for less than $500 and always tell people to get a custom action and don't look back.
Jack
Jack
Here is interesting price list on squaring action
http://www.gretanrifles.com/prices.asp
http://www.gretanrifles.com/prices.asp
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What all machining processes are you guys talking about when you say "blueprinting"? My smith charges 35$ to Square the action face and lap the bolt lugs.
My last rifle bill was $35 for the above. $75 to chamber, install, crown and test fire on a Rock Creek Blank I sent him. $25 for return shipping/insurance of the new barreled action and old barrel.....$135 total. I've dealt with a few other gunsmiths and these prices are definitely on the low end of the spectrum.
BR,
I'm talking about whats known as a level 2 blueprint
1) squareing the face of the reciever
2) squaring the bolt face
3)squareing and lapping the bearing surfaces of the lugs
4) single point cutting the reciever threads straight and true with all the above
some smiths will do a trigger job for the same money some charge extra.
RR
+1
I have some Rem's with and some without "Blueprinting". All have Hart barrels, done with the same Minimum spec Match reamers, same stocks, same scopes. They all shoot tiny groups, depending on the wind at the time of shooting. I shot the same Rem's side by side with custom actions, same brand barrels, same reamer, same stock, and scope. Could not tell the difference. I had the same Hart barrels chambered, same reamer, same scope with a Ruger 77 and a Mauser (parker hale Varmint) with the groups opening up by .050 in the worst case....I was really hosed.
There is a lot of BS out there floating around that does nothing more than play on people's hopes and dreams. I was the chief in the obsession dept. My hunting partner and I conducted this experiment over five years using Rem 700's, 40x's, Stolle Panda, FDC, and Hall M actions, Ruger 77's, and one Parker Hale... over 100K rounds between us, easy.
Imagine ordering an action, waiting a year to get it, then waiting another year for the gunsmith to finish the project, only to have the Custom action with multiple barrels only shoot .050 better than a Parker Hale in the factory Wood stock, with the same custom barrel. Now that was a really tough lesson to learn.
Any gunsmith that is worth his salt can square up the front of the reciever to fit a barrel in a few minutes, and SHOULD be able to tell you how far out the threads are....then make the decision to spend the money to go whole hog squaring the bolt face, single pointing threads, bushing the bolt, replacing the firing pin and spring, etc.
For the enjoyment of shooting very small groups, my conclusion: Blueprinting is not very practical. If you are a match shooter, go whole hog. What ever you do, put your money where it counts, minimum SAAMI designed reamer, with a quality barrel,a solid non flexible-pillar bedded stock, and a person that is a extremely good machinist.
There is a huge difference in building a gun expressing your pride of ownership and building a gun thinking that you are spending money hoping to get something in return in as far as accuracy is concerned.
How much are you willing to spend to knock .025-.050 off the size of your group? Once you start making the decision to make everything perfect...it sure is a money hole.
Spending the money on a couple of wind flags has proved to be one of the more practical decisions that I have ever made to achieve much improved accuracy.... $90.
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What all machining processes are you guys talking about when you say "blueprinting"? My smith charges 35$ to Square the action face and lap the bolt lugs.
My last rifle bill was $35 for the above. $75 to chamber, install, crown and test fire on a Rock Creek Blank I sent him. $25 for return shipping/insurance of the new barreled action and old barrel.....$135 total. I've dealt with a few other gunsmiths and these prices are definitely on the low end of the spectrum.
BR,
I'm talking about whats known as a level 2 blueprint
1) squareing the face of the reciever
2) squaring the bolt face
3)squareing and lapping the bearing surfaces of the lugs
4) single point cutting the reciever threads straight and true with all the above
some smiths will do a trigger job for the same money some charge extra.
RR
+1
I have some Rem's with and some without "Blueprinting". All have Hart barrels, done with the same Minimum spec Match reamers, same stocks, same scopes. They all shoot tiny groups, depending on the wind at the time of shooting. I shot the same Rem's side by side with custom actions, same brand barrels, same reamer, same stock, and scope. Could not tell the difference. I had the same Hart barrels chambered, same reamer, same scope with a Ruger 77 and a Mauser (parker hale Varmint) with the groups opening up by .050 in the worst case....I was really hosed.
There is a lot of BS out there floating around that does nothing more than play on people's hopes and dreams. I was the chief in the obsession dept. My hunting partner and I conducted this experiment over five years using Rem 700's, 40x's, Stolle Panda, FDC, and Hall M actions, Ruger 77's, and one Parker Hale... over 100K rounds between us, easy.
Imagine ordering an action, waiting a year to get it, then waiting another year for the gunsmith to finish the project, only to have the Custom action with multiple barrels only shoot .050 better than a Parker Hale in the factory Wood stock, with the same custom barrel. Now that was a really tough lesson to learn.
Any gunsmith that is worth his salt can square up the front of the reciever to fit a barrel in a few minutes, and SHOULD be able to tell you how far out the threads are....then make the decision to spend the money to go whole hog squaring the bolt face, single pointing threads, bushing the bolt, replacing the firing pin and spring, etc.
For the enjoyment of shooting very small groups, my conclusion: Blueprinting is not very practical. If you are a match shooter, go whole hog. What ever you do, put your money where it counts, minimum SAAMI designed reamer, with a quality barrel,a solid non flexible-pillar bedded stock, and a person that is a extremely good machinist.
There is a huge difference in building a gun expressing your pride of ownership and building a gun thinking that you are spending money hoping to get something in return in as far as accuracy is concerned.
How much are you willing to spend to knock .025-.050 off the size of your group? Once you start making the decision to make everything perfect...it sure is a money hole.
Spending the money on a couple of wind flags has proved to be one of the more practical decisions that I have ever made to achieve much improved accuracy.... $90.
I 100% agree with ackleyman, most guys cant shoot well enough to tell the difference, even the 1/4 inch internet guys, and almost nobody needs it or can use it. I spent a ton of money on "custom rifes" only to find out you have to be on a rest, clamped down, with carefully tailored loads to beat a good.GOOD, factory rifle.
Learn to shoot what "ya brung" an experienced rifleman can make an average rifle look good, a fancy rifle cannot make an average shooter look good.
Carl
Learn to shoot what "ya brung" an experienced rifleman can make an average rifle look good, a fancy rifle cannot make an average shooter look good.
Carl
yoteblaster
Active member
Ackleyman you just saved me some cash,thanks. I was looking at doing a hunting rifle not a bench rest gun. I will just shoot it as is.