bobcatkiller220swift
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I need some info on a Remington 700 sps varmint .222 Remington magnum I have bought the barrel is stamped .222 Remington magnum 40' if anyone has some info on this it would be greatly appreciated.
Remington 700 sps varmint. 222 Remington magnum 40'
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IndexFinger
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IndexFinger
Custom Accessory Maker
year of Rem. manufactured firearm would be in the serial # . but a barrel Code is by single alphabet letter . The ( 40' ) you are asking about does not make sense ?
Does Remington back then do any variations of ( Shoulder Angles ) maybe the 40' is the shoulder angle ream Spec. ? ( 222 Rem. Mag. 40' )
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Does Remington back then do any variations of ( Shoulder Angles ) maybe the 40' is the shoulder angle ream Spec. ? ( 222 Rem. Mag. 40' )
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Sgt_Mike
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Article on the round..... If presented one yeah it would go into the Varmint stable of firearms
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Load data:
Brass:
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Ammo:
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Hope that helps ...
.222 Remington Magnum: A Classic Cartridge That Still Gets It Done on Varmints and Predators
Though past its prime, the .222 Remington Magnum is still relevant, especially for handloaders and varmint hunters.
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Load data:
Brass:
Nosler 222 Remington Mag Brass Bag of 250
Nosler Brass is manufactured with the traditional Nosler philosophy of uncompromising attention to detail. Nosler cartridge brass is created to exact...
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222 Remington Magnum Unprimed Bulk Un-Prepped Brass 250 Count
222 Remington Magnum Unprimed Bulk Un-Prepped Brass 250 Count by NOSLER Product Overview: Nosler uses only American brass cups for their cases. All Nosler cases are constructed from their high quality, specially formulated brass. Unlike their prepped brass, this Un-prepped brass is not...
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Ammo:
Nosler Custom 222 Remington Mag Ammo 50 Grain Nosler Ballistic Tip
For over 60 years, the professionals at Nosler have been making precision bullets for competitive shooters, varmint hunters and big game hunters. Now...
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bobcatkiller220swift
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Thanks for the info I acquired this rifle new unfired in the box getting it ready for this year's upcoming Bobcat season
Sgt_Mike
Well-known member
"originally" the 222 Remington Magnum was discontinued in 1968? .... The SPS (Special Purpose Synthetic) version of the 700 wasn't introduced until the mid 2000's.
The chambering and the SPS verbiage doesn't line up unless either the rifle was rechambered . For the 1960's era Remington 700 in 222 Remington Magnum a ADL or BDL would be period "correct".
There is one other way this rifle could have come to be. Outside of a end user doing a modification to a new stock.
Like Military Arsenals' it is my understanding that it was really wasn't uncommon to have a surplus of rifles ready to be test fired. As that is when the Barrel Stamping was applied.
Once test fired they was labeled stamped and boxed then place in the supply line to distributors.
So "how could this be with a Box??? I can think that probably maybe a old barreled action was relegated to the "Achieves" section of Remington. When the bankruptcy took effect the "Archives" ( and honestly probably the correct term would be "Tool Room") was sold off, as well as the inventory.
Here is example of a non-Remington label that "some' use on a Remington box to ship the guns;
Which some buyers such as the "Gun Repair Center" in Jacksonville Fla bought a lot, PTG aka Dave Kiff bought some actually a lot) , these are Not the Only two that did this practice, just the only two that came to my mind.
Some was assembled together from remaining stockage of parts into rifles. Because of this most of what they are selling are not date coded, nor have the proof testing. One could check the SKU on the box with a internet search to validate against the Old Remington catalogs. Serial numbers in dating Remington's are hit and miss the barrel date codes are the most correct way to date the actual rifle.
So ....
Shotguns are usually dated as
Ok so now we see where the "date codes" are Supposed to be what do they mean???
The following letters correspond to the months of the year.
Example: B=January, L= February, A=March
B – L – A – C – K – P – O – W – D – E – R – X
B – Jan L – Feb A – Mar C – Apr K – May
P – Jun O – Jul W – Aug D – Sept E – Oct R – Nov X – Dec
for the years :
A – 1932 |
a – 1980 |
A – 2006 |
B – 1933 |
B – 1955 |
B – 1981 |
B – 2007 |
C – 1956 |
C – 1982 |
C – 2008 |
D – 1935 |
D – 1957 |
D – 1983 |
D – 2009 |
E – 1936 |
E – 1958 |
E – 1984 |
e – 2010 |
F – 1937 |
F – 1959 |
F – 1985 |
F – 2011 |
G – 1938 |
G – 1960 |
G – 1986 |
G – 2012 |
H – 1939 |
H – 1961 |
H – 1987 |
I – 1976 |
I – 1988 |
J – 1940 |
J – 1962 |
J – 1989 |
K – 1941 |
K – 1963 |
K – 1990 |
L – 1942 |
L – 1964 |
L – 1991 |
M – 1921 |
M – 1965 |
M – 1992 |
MM – 1943 |
N – 1922 |
N – 1966 |
N – 1993 |
NN – 1944 |
O – 1977 |
O – 1994 |
P – 1923 |
P – 1967 |
P – 1995 |
PP – 1945 |
Q – 1978 |
Q – 1996 |
R – 1924 |
R – 1968 |
R – 1997 |
RR – 1946 |
S – 1925 |
S – 1969 |
S – 1998 |
SS – 1947 |
T – 1926 |
T – 1970 |
T – 1999* |
TT – 1948 |
U – 1927 |
U – 1971 |
U – 2000* |
UU – 1949 |
V – 1979 |
V – 2001* |
W – 1928 |
W – 1972 |
W – 2002 |
WW – 1950 |
X – 1929 |
X – 1934 |
X – 1973 |
X – 2003 |
XX – 1951 |
Y – 1930 |
Y – 1974 |
Y – 2004 |
YY – 1952 |
Z – 1931 |
Z – 1954 |
z – 1975 |
z – 2005 |
ZZ – 1953 |
Notice the upper and lower case letters, But seeing how we are discussing a 700 which was introduced in 1962. The Upper A would 2006, as 1962 is after 1932 there is no way the Upper A would be correct for the year 1932. A lower cases a would be 1980.
Now all the graphics and data are copied and pasted from the Remington society dot org. So they deserve all the credit for the knowledge.
Again using search engines
I don't know if one can blow up or zoom on the image above, but the graphic is a example on a barrel with a code of Just the anchor for the final inspector, before "test" or actually "Proof firing" to get the date codes stamped.
Now the OP's may or may not fall into the category I describe above. Without pictures it would be impossible to advise the history of his firearm with any degree of certainty.
The actual part of all the hoopla and sort of "guess work" write up is based on how the Bankruptcy is effecting a lot of Remington 700's today that have "lost" their history so to speak is basically describe what is happening as history is being made.
Not that anyone actually cares about history, truth, facts. If you don't believe me talk to a Democrat
(hopefully that very last statement is as funny to the reader as it is to me)
Regards,
Mike
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IndexFinger
Custom Accessory Maker
What does the ( 40' ) represent ? in the stamping .
222 Remington magnum 40'
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Sgt_Mike
Well-known member
That has me puzzled as well. I have googled it as well as I'm positive other have.
I won't say it's NOT a shoulder degree, or it is, but it could be?
Could the OP's be a "Tool Room" R&D, Achieves model, as in experimental then was sold off during the bankruptcy.
Possible?
maybe?
IDK?
Could it be someone just altered the chamber and stamped something there? maybe, could it be a smith or what ever, rethroated it and marked it?
Actually if the OP fires one round and compares it to a unfired that might (would) tell the tell if it's a 40 degree shoulder
Could it be the FreeBore dimension in the throat is another thought? again IDK. I know a LOT of smith will mark a chamber. With neck diameter and FB when customizing even a factory barrel.
Without pictures of the rollmark, caliber designation, all codes on the barrel next to the tendon it' just guessing. sometime what we "think we see is NOT what is actually stamped. Up close and personal inspection is the best method.
the above is a 700 series
the below link is a 722 in .222 Remington Magnum that someone had for sale ONLY to show the differing rollmarks between the 700 and it's predecessor 722/721.
Remington model 722 222 rem mag
Selling Remington model 722 in 222 Remington magnum comes with box of ammo asking $500 union county
www.njwoodsandwater.com
another thing to note is that some of the 722 had a hump where the rear sight was install as a few usually had thin barrels for weight saving portability.
Could a distributor have married a brand new barrel old stock to a modern RR, or RAR prefix Sn receiver? ( for a receiver finished in 1967 to 1977 the SN prefix goes like R = 1967 S = 1968 T = 1969 U = 1970 W = 1971 X = 1972 Y = 1973 Z = 1974 A = 1975 B = 1976 C = 1977. Which a 700 "could" have a S prefix in the Sn (1968) and barrel date code of June in 1969 or later.) It is just as likely as not.
Now with out pictures, or holding the OP's rifle in my hands there is absolutely NO WAY I could even guess to the history of the OP rifle.
What I do know is the cartridge was dropped after the 1968 catalogue. Yes there was quite possibly be several in the pipeline sold after 1968 especially with the GCA of 68 screwing up the mail order system we used to have, creating License Gun dealers (FFL's). all the one's prior was in the ADL/BDL configuration. The SPS I know didn't show up in ANY Remington catalogue until about mid 2000's.
That led to me think that the only way I could see a SPS stocked 700 in 222 Rem Mag unfired would be if it was Tool Room / Archives Rifle sold in parts stocked after the bankruptcy. OR, it could be a rifle that was bought years ago, never fired, and someone sold the stock then re-stocked it with a SPS stock and sold it as a SPS 700.
IT's anyone guess. Even a picture of the end of the box with the label would be extremely helpful to tell the OP anything.
Does the label on the box sn match the rifle?
what does the sku # say does it align with it being a SPS?
could it be a Custom shop gun ?
Could it be a R&D gun in the achieves?
AWS
Custom Accessory Maker & Retired PM Staff
Check the headspace, tape on the head of a factory round if you don't have a headspace gauge. If headspace is good fire a round and see what you get for shoulder angle. If the headspace is too long a chamber cast or if your adventurous seat a bullet long enough to engage the rifling over a mild 222 Rem Mag load and give it a go. Or you can neck up a 222 Rem Mag case to 6mm or .257 then neck it back down to .224 in increments until it chambers snuggly then a mild load and fire form. When fire forming to find what you have remove the ejector (not extractor) so your not pushing the case into the chamber.
Not all improved cases are Ackley Improved where there is a crush fit for fire forming. Gibbs Improved cartridge also move the shoulder forward so creating false shoulder or seating the bullet into the lands are the way to fire form.
I shoot a 222 Rem Mag Improved 30⁰ (22-204).
Nice rifle no matter what it is.
They did a lot of experimenting of the 222 Rem Mag case as a BR cartridge in both of its forms, 222 Rem Mag and 6x47 (Walker/Rem). All manner of shoulder angles, shoulder positions and body tapers in efforts to shave group sizes.
Not all improved cases are Ackley Improved where there is a crush fit for fire forming. Gibbs Improved cartridge also move the shoulder forward so creating false shoulder or seating the bullet into the lands are the way to fire form.
I shoot a 222 Rem Mag Improved 30⁰ (22-204).
Nice rifle no matter what it is.
They did a lot of experimenting of the 222 Rem Mag case as a BR cartridge in both of its forms, 222 Rem Mag and 6x47 (Walker/Rem). All manner of shoulder angles, shoulder positions and body tapers in efforts to shave group sizes.
