Rubber inserts for rings

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Jerry Tracy

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Been out of the loop for a while and have read on a few post here where Burris rings have rubber inserts. Are there any other brands out there with the inserts and if not, has anyone made their own and if so, how well did they work and what did you use? I was thinking of using electrical shrink tube, cut to fit, w/o the heat of course.
 
Hi Jerry, what are you trying to do, protect the scope or reduce from 30mm to 1 inch?

Brownells sells Delrin ring reducers if thats what youre looking for. Otherwise, I have seen small strips of black paper included with some cheaper rings that seem to work fine. Some guys do use electrical tape and I believe you are right in that Burris does include some kind of insert in some of there rings, but I dont remember which ones have it.
 
Burris Signature rings have the plastic inserts which eliminate the need to lap the rings as well as aligning scope perfectly w/bore. They sell a set of inserts in +.005, .010, 015" which allows you to mount the scope so as to be as near mechanical zero as possible, even if rifle is drilled up to .030" off. AFAIK, they are the only ring with this feature.

Sure simplifies scope mounting and holds scope securely even on the big DG rifles.

Regards,
hm
 
How do the rings eliminate lapping? I would think that misalignment is misalignment no matter how the rings are designed. Is the delrin soft enough to "absorb" the misalignment?
 
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The inserts are cylindrical on one side to fit the scope tube, and spherical on the other to fit the spherical mating surface off the rings. The inserts can therefore rotate up-down and left-right to accommodate ring misalignment without imparting stress on the scope tube. A very clever design.
 
Originally Posted By: Jerry TracyBeen out of the loop for a while and have read on a few post here where Burris rings have rubber inserts. Are there any other brands out there with the inserts and if not, has anyone made their own and if so, how well did they work and what did you use? I was thinking of using electrical shrink tube, cut to fit, w/o the heat of course.

In the Burris line, the Burris Signature Zee Rings are the Rings that CAN come with the inserts, although the inserts are usually treated as an option.

On the Burris web site for these rings and inserts, Burris did a very poor job in describing exactly what you're getting, and what you're NOT getting.

As an example I recommended these rings and inserts to a friend, who was mounting them on his very first AR. So he went to the local smith with whom he had been doing business with for many, many years.

Later that day he called me, and told me he had the rings and inserts ordered, and he said "Hangtime, he really cut me a deal on those Burris rings, and inserts. He's only charging me $25.00 for both. Now Midway's price for both was somewhere around $70.00.

So I told him, "friend, you're not getting BOTH for that price. You're only getting the rings". Well he swore up and down that the price was for BOTH, even though I knew better. He was so convinced that the price was for both, that at that point I just kept my mouth shut.

So the order showed up, and lo, and behold it only contained the rings. I didn't say a word, as his pride was hurt very badly that he didn't listen to me, and further
conversation on that subject would have led to hurt feelings on his part, and the damage was already done. Then he made mistake #2. Instead of going back to the smith, explaining the situation, and ordering the inserts, he just mounted the scope using the rings only.

As I stated earlier Burris did a very poor job on their website in describing what you're getting, and what you're NOT getting. You have to be very careful when you place your order, or you'll end up like my friend, getting a partial, or incorrect order.

In my particular case, I was mounting a Vortex Viper PA 6.5-20 X 44 with the BDC Dead-Hold reticle. This scope has a 30 mm tube, so I had to take that into consideration too.

What I ended up ordering was a set of Burris Extra High Xtreme Tactical Rings 30 mm in matte black, and the spacing worked out perfectly measuring from the top of the picatinny rail on the upper to the main crosshair was 1.50" which is EXACTLY the correct measurement !!!! No riser, or any other parts were needed to get the spacing where it needed to be, so I was thrilled to say the least.

If you decide to go with these rings and inserts here's my suggestion. Go to the Midway site (or the vendor of your choice), and pick out what you THINK you need. Midway has overhauled their site making it just a little easier to figure out what's needed, but it's still somewhat of a chore to make sure you order the correct part(s).

Then go to the Burris site (which they've overhauled too, but IMHO they've still got a long ways to go) mainly to double check your selection, mainly for spacing from the top of the picatinny rail on the upper to the main crosshair, and to check you've selected the correct inserts in terms of the "offset" of the inserts.

Once you've determined that your selection of rings, and inserts are correct, all the pre-order work is definitely worth it.

IMHO these are a great set of rings, and they're my "rings of choice", as you're actually killing 2-3 "birds with one stone". No marring or excess stress on the scope tube. No lapping of the rings is necessary, and so forth.

In other words these rings and inserts are a great value for the money. If you have any further questions, or I can help you with any other questions re: these rings, and inserts, just IM me, and I'll do my best to answer them.

I hope you decide to go with these rings and inserts, as I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with their performance.

Best of luck, and let us all know what you decide to use.

Long post I know, but there's just no way to make it shorter, and still explain what's necessary to describe all of its attributes, and also to make sure you get the correct item(s) ordered.

Hangtime
 
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If you want rings with inserts, just order Burris Signature rings for the bases you want to use. The "Signature" part is what identifies them as having inserts. The "Zee" part mentioned above idicates they're for Weaver/picatinny bases. You can get Signature rings in Zee (Weaver), standard (windage adjustable rear and turn in front), or double dovetail (both turn in) at least. They might also be available in specialty rings (Ruger, CZ, etc.).
 
Originally Posted By: hm1996Burris Signature rings have the plastic inserts which eliminate the need to lap the rings as well as aligning scope perfectly w/bore. They sell a set of inserts in +.005, .010, 015" which allows you to mount the scope so as to be as near mechanical zero as possible, even if rifle is drilled up to .030" off. AFAIK, they are the only ring with this feature.

Sure simplifies scope mounting and holds scope securely even on the big DG rifles.

Regards,
hm
No way will these rings line your scope to the bore, if your action is out its out, if your windage setting on the rear ring is out , it is out, what they will do is keep your scope tube from getting bent with windage adjustment thats way out, and keep pressure off of the tube. I use them and have no complaints, but they are not foolproof. ed
 
Originally Posted By: burrisoptics.comSIGNATURE™ RINGS
The best rifle scope is only as good as the rings that hold it in place. Which is why legendary Burris Signature Rings are the choice of the world’s most discriminating shooters.
The tremendous gripping power of the ingenious design anchors the scope at zero round after round. Additionally, a synthetic self-aligning insert inside the steel ring cradles the scope and insures proper alignment and guarantees scope-to-ring contact is virtually 100%. That’s as much as 30% more contact than some other mounts.
Scopes perform at their optical peak when all internal lenses are properly centered. For that reason, Signature Rings accept Pos-Align Offset Inserts.



They are exactly made to align your scope. You can swap and play with them and get a mechanically centered scope aligned even if something else is off a bit.

Thats why there are so many options and sizes.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-signature-pos-align-offset-insert-kits-individual-inserts.html
 
That's right. They're great for fixing boresight problems on production rifles, on which the bore may not be aligned coaxial with standard rings. You may need extra offset inserts, though.
 
I agree with the posts above, but, they dont do it by themselves, you have to figure out what you need, they are very adjustable with the inserts. ed
 
Originally Posted By: tuneredOriginally Posted By: hm1996Burris Signature rings have the plastic inserts which eliminate the need to lap the rings as well as aligning scope perfectly w/bore. They sell a set of inserts in +.005, .010, 015" which allows you to mount the scope so as to be as near mechanical zero as possible, even if rifle is drilled up to .030" off. AFAIK, they are the only ring with this feature.

Sure simplifies scope mounting and holds scope securely even on the big DG rifles.

Regards,
hm
No way will these rings line your scope to the bore, if your action is out its out, if your windage setting on the rear ring is out , it is out, what they will do is keep your scope tube from getting bent with windage adjustment thats way out, and keep pressure off of the tube. I use them and have no complaints, but they are not foolproof. ed

I have mounted a number of scopes using the Signature rings/inserts and found that they allow alignment of the scope perfectly parallel to the bore of your rifle up to .040" (using .020" inserts front and rear) even if mounting holes are not aligned properly on the rifle and eliminate the need for lapping scope rings since the inserts are self-aligning.

All of the 1' rings I have ordered come with one set of "0" inserts. If you need to correct for mis-aligned mounts, you will need to order a set of inserts as shown @ Midway site shown below:



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Burris Signature Rings are a real breakthrough in ring design. Each ring includes a set of self-centering, synthetic inserts that won't scratch the scope, yet provide perfect alignment of scope and rings and near 100% contact between the rings and scope; there is never a need to lap Burris Signature Rings.

The optional offset inserts (not available for 30mm rings) allow a gun to be sighted in that cannot be zeroed with the available windage and elevation adjustments in the scope.

For serious shooters, the optional offset inserts allow a scope to be brought almost to complete zero, then using the windage and elevation adjustments only for the final, fine adjustment. This keeps the erector tube centered in the scope for improved scope clarity and performance.
CHOOSING RINGS: Ring height is determined by measuring the outside objective (bell) diameter on your scope. If you aren't sure which rings will suit your needs, please refer to the Ring Height Application Chart.

Technical Information Material: Steel

Style: Standard

Ring Diameter: 1"

Ring Height: .270" (measured from base of ring to bottom of scope tube)

Notes:


•Signature rings have synthetic pivoting inserts which increase scope to ring surface area, create consistent accuracy, give more gripping power and enable scratch free and stress free mounting.

•Mounting hardware included.

Offset Insert Option:

•Signature rings may be used with Burris Pos-Align offset inserts (sold separately). These replace the standard inserts that are supplied with Signature rings and are used to move the scope tube within the ring itself rather than using the scope's windage and elevation adjustments alone.

•Offset inserts are available in .005", .010" and .020" offset distances.

•Offset inserts have the center opening offset by the amount of distance shown in the description. For example, .005" offset inserts will move the scope tube .005" toward the thinner of the two inserts. The inserts can be used to move the scope tube in the front ring, the rear ring or both rings. The inserts may also be used in any combination as long as the matched halves stay together. A set of .005" inserts may be used in the front ring and .010" inserts in the rear or whatever combination is needed.

•If the inserts are used to move the front of the scope tube to the right, the point of impact at 100 yards will move to the left approximately 5 inches. If the scope tube is moved in the rear ring to the right, the point of impact will move to the right.

•Inserts can be used to move the scope tube in any direction needed for windage and/or elevation.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/714534/burris-1-signature-standard-rings-matte-medium



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These offset inserts work only in Burris Signature Rings. One insert half is slightly thicker and the other slightly thinner than standard. Swapping the standard inserts with a pair of offset inserts will move the point of impact approximately 5" at 100 yards for the .005 inserts, 10" for the .010 and 20" for the .020. This will allow a gun to be sighted in that cannot be zeroed with the available windage and elevation adjustments in the scope. For serious shooters, the optional offset inserts allow a scope to be brought almost to complete zero, then using the windage and elevation adjustments only for the final, fine adjustment. This keeps the erector tube centered in the scope for improved scope clarity and performance. Includes "zero" inserts, other Pos-Align inserts can be purchased separately.

Technical Information: Burris 1" Signature Ring Pos-Align Offset Inserts Installation Kit

Material: Polymer

Notes:


•Contains 6 insert halves, enough for three rings (one .005 offset, one .010 offset, one .020 offset)

•Synthetic inserts for 'Signature' rings only

•Inserts have the center opening offset by the amount of distance shown in the description. For example, .005" offset inserts will move the scope tube .005" toward the thinner of the two inserts. The inserts can be used to move the scope tube in the front ring, the rear ring or both rings. The inserts may also be used in any combination as long as the matched halves stay together. A set of .005" inserts may be used in the front ring and .010" inserts in the rear or whatever combination is needed.

•If the inserts are used to move the front of the scope tube to the right, the point of impact at 100 yards will move to the left approximately 5 inches. If the scope tube is moved in the rear ring to the right, the point of impact will move to the right.

•Inserts can be used to move the scope tube in any direction needed for windage and/or elevation.

•This kit has 1 each of +/- .005", +/- .010", and +/- .020" inserts

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/712472/...m_vc=S014714534

Regards,
hm
 
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