Ruger K77/17 VMBBZ in 17 HMR ?
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NdIndy
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Originally Posted By: DAB
All HMR ammo is identical excluding the tip color which is licensed to each reseller. It's all made by CCI in Leweston ID. Exact same components, exact same specs.
NdIndy
So how do you explain this?
(So why do the Fed. 17 HMR 17 gr. Hornady V-Max shoot a MUCH larger group then the Win. Supreme 17 HMR 17 Gr.Hornady V-Max in all three of my 17 HMR's.) Copied and pasted from my post.
I shot all these brands, Hornady, CCI, Federal 17 Gr V-max and Winchester Supreme 17 Gr V-max to compare and find which shot best in my rifles.
Winchester Supreme 17 GR V-Max out shot the Federal 17 Gr V-Max and all others.
That is why I bought 3000 rounds of The Winchester Supreme 17 Gr V-Max ammo of the same lot# for Sage Rat killing.
So you say that they are all made by the same company. I can go along with that but not that they all use the Exact same components, exact same specs then why do not the Fed's and the Winchester's shoot the same with the same bullet (17 Gr V-Max)? Just does not compute in my pee brain.
DAB
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CCI, Federal, Winchester, Remington and Hornady all loaded here at CCI in Lewiston, Idaho with a V-max bullet are identical, with the exception of tip color. Manufactured on the same equip, to the same ballistic specs, using the same components other than color of the tip of the bullets. Obviously the shellcase 'head stamp' and packaging would be different on the various products.
Linda Olin
CCI/Speer Technical Services
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID 83501
Different lots will shoot slightly different, but that's the end of the difference in the ammo. Unless your gun shoots red better than it shoots green, it doesn't matter unless you think it does. I buy whatever is cheapest that day, it all shoots little bitty groups.
When I shot lot of it hornady was usually cheaper. They changed their packaging at one time and switched to a slightly different shade of red tip with a new name (extreme if I remember right), exact same specs etc except they wanted $2 more box for it at the lgs. A little conversation later and I'm walking out the door with the 'new' ammo at the 'old' price. 0 adjustment to the glass as far as the round will shoot.
All HMR ammo is identical excluding the tip color which is licensed to each reseller. It's all made by CCI in Leweston ID. Exact same components, exact same specs.
NdIndy
So how do you explain this?
(So why do the Fed. 17 HMR 17 gr. Hornady V-Max shoot a MUCH larger group then the Win. Supreme 17 HMR 17 Gr.Hornady V-Max in all three of my 17 HMR's.) Copied and pasted from my post.
I shot all these brands, Hornady, CCI, Federal 17 Gr V-max and Winchester Supreme 17 Gr V-max to compare and find which shot best in my rifles.
Winchester Supreme 17 GR V-Max out shot the Federal 17 Gr V-Max and all others.
That is why I bought 3000 rounds of The Winchester Supreme 17 Gr V-Max ammo of the same lot# for Sage Rat killing.
So you say that they are all made by the same company. I can go along with that but not that they all use the Exact same components, exact same specs then why do not the Fed's and the Winchester's shoot the same with the same bullet (17 Gr V-Max)? Just does not compute in my pee brain.
DAB
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CCI, Federal, Winchester, Remington and Hornady all loaded here at CCI in Lewiston, Idaho with a V-max bullet are identical, with the exception of tip color. Manufactured on the same equip, to the same ballistic specs, using the same components other than color of the tip of the bullets. Obviously the shellcase 'head stamp' and packaging would be different on the various products.
Linda Olin
CCI/Speer Technical Services
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID 83501
Different lots will shoot slightly different, but that's the end of the difference in the ammo. Unless your gun shoots red better than it shoots green, it doesn't matter unless you think it does. I buy whatever is cheapest that day, it all shoots little bitty groups.
When I shot lot of it hornady was usually cheaper. They changed their packaging at one time and switched to a slightly different shade of red tip with a new name (extreme if I remember right), exact same specs etc except they wanted $2 more box for it at the lgs. A little conversation later and I'm walking out the door with the 'new' ammo at the 'old' price. 0 adjustment to the glass as far as the round will shoot.
Jack Roberts
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Originally Posted By: marcoIts all the same stuff loaded by CCI. Any change in accuracy is because of lott# change. Welcome to the wonderful world of rimfires!!!
marco nailed it. Lot numbers rule in rimfire ammo.
When competing I have spent 5K to buy up all of a certain lot that was exceptional.
Jack
marco nailed it. Lot numbers rule in rimfire ammo.
When competing I have spent 5K to buy up all of a certain lot that was exceptional.
Jack
Originally Posted By: marcoIts all the same stuff loaded by CCI. Any change in accuracy is because of lott# change. Welcome to the wonderful world of rimfires!!!
I Hear so many different opinions on this subject that I can not separate the good info from the Bad info.
Some one that I trust sent me a message on another forum that reads PM and clued me in on the real skinny.
So what I come up with is that there is a little truth in a lot of the info I have gotten but not the whole truth.
I thank all for the info.
DAB
DAB
I Hear so many different opinions on this subject that I can not separate the good info from the Bad info.
Some one that I trust sent me a message on another forum that reads PM and clued me in on the real skinny.
So what I come up with is that there is a little truth in a lot of the info I have gotten but not the whole truth.
I thank all for the info.
DAB
DAB
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1100 Remington Man
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Well went to range yesterday wind was very light. My Ruger 77/17 VMBBZ 17 HMR with 3x9 40mm Burris FF E1 scope shot 50 yds 5 shot groups .98 .371 .767 average .707 at 50 yds at 100 yds .937 .976 .985 all groups shot with Hornady 17gr V-MAX. Some things I saw in my groups was some groups were horrizonal and another vertical just like a line holes and on some that one flyer that would open up groups don't know if it was me or rifle or to much Coffee. I also notice bolt lift was harder on some shots than others all most like a hot load. I am going to try other loads & brands or lots just to see what happens.
1100 Remington Man
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Field report on Ruger 77/17 VMBBZ 17 HMR great rifle worked flawless & the clips are great. Thoughts on .17 HMR out to 100yds on Praire Dogs worked great' at 150yds kills just worked fine dogs fell over and kicked a few times' beyond 150yds to 200 you could hit them and knock them over and they would kick a few times run into there holes to die. So for me 150yds is realy the limit for the 17 HMR but was my first trip with the 17 HMR. The Burris FF E1 3x9 40mm worked great and reticle worked perfect nice size not to course & balistic plex was great useing the wind marks for hold off. only thing I would change on scope would be power ring outside diameter should be reduced my rifle Ruger 77/17 VMBBZ bolt can just kiss on max bolt lift and rifle came with high rings I would also change caps on windage & elevation knobs make them more slim. I think Burris is trying to make them look like target turrets. Overall impressions I was going to buy Remington 547 17 HMR but the deal on gunbroker.com fell through & I ended up with the Ruger 77/17 17 HMR no regrets a great rifle would buy again Burris scope is great buy at $ 200.00 Good Hunting.
Jack Roberts
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"& the clips are great."
If you have one with clip slots it is very rare.
Jack
If you have one with clip slots it is very rare.
Jack
D_Bell
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Originally Posted By: marcoIts all the same stuff loaded by CCI. Any change in accuracy is because of lott# change. Welcome to the wonderful world of rimfires!!!
Not sure I agree with that statement...I agree CCI makes it all, but to different specs to the various companies.
I've been shooting 17 HMR for over 6 years, and I've had the best luck with Hornady 17gr Vmax ammo. However, my rifle with Remington 17 HMR ammo, regardless of the ammo's lot #, it shoots super tiny groups under 100 yards. However, same ammo past 100 yards will no preform the same. The Winchester ammo is similar, but the Hornady...It shoots decent groups all they way out to 150+ yards.
Not sure I agree with that statement...I agree CCI makes it all, but to different specs to the various companies.
I've been shooting 17 HMR for over 6 years, and I've had the best luck with Hornady 17gr Vmax ammo. However, my rifle with Remington 17 HMR ammo, regardless of the ammo's lot #, it shoots super tiny groups under 100 yards. However, same ammo past 100 yards will no preform the same. The Winchester ammo is similar, but the Hornady...It shoots decent groups all they way out to 150+ yards.