Running out of adjustment sighting in.

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Your shooting low, so place a shim under the rear part of the base, or a shim in the bottom of the rear ring (I like electrical tape).

It sounds like your old scope provided much more adjustment than the Vortex.

On my Sako L461, I'd had 3 scopes on it and all sighted in just fine. I changed to a Burris Signature 3x12 and was still shooting about 8" high when I ran out of adj. A piece of electrical tape in the front ring solved that. It seems this Burris had much less adjustment room than the other scopes.
 
Extra hassle factor here, but could be a way to be extra sure it's the scope:

Do you have another scoped rifle that you could mount the scope on to see if it retains the same problem? If you could & the problem follows the scope, there would be little doubt.
 

Originally Posted By: FurhunterYou seem to not grasp the idea that they can be completely out of alignment and still be able to touch the points together. They aren't worth the bar stock it took to make them. Your better off with a straight lapping bar over both rings at the same time. That will tell you if the rings are aligned with each other. Points do not.

Of course I do, Which Is why I dont buy the mass-produced stuff.
When you turn your own, and the bar is chucked and indicated correctly, you end up with what youre supposed to. I also know from experience that rings or bases from ANY manufacturer can come to you out of whack....I quit buying redfield stuff yrs ago because of the horrible QC. even receivers are finished by hand and can have extreme variations in final dimension, making it impossible for ANY mount base to fit correctly. I also agree in this case that it seems the scope is junk but I was just trying to help the OP feel better about the situation. It sucks nuts when you get a new optic and go to all the trouble of setting things up only to have to pack it back up and wait weeks to get a repair/replacement. I am head-over-heels in love with Burris' Signature rings for this exact reason, but thats another story.
 
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Originally Posted By: hickerx2
Originally Posted By: FurhunterYou seem to not grasp the idea that they can be completely out of alignment and still be able to touch the points together. They aren't worth the bar stock it took to make them. Your better off with a straight lapping bar over both rings at the same time. That will tell you if the rings are aligned with each other. Points do not.

Of course I do, Which Is why I dont buy the mass-produced stuff.
When you turn your own, and the bar is chucked and indicated correctly, you end up with what youre supposed to.

Nope.
They're still junk if they're perfect.
The pointy ends of perfectly machined bars are worth absolutely zero, nada, and zilch as an indicator of alignment of the rings.
 
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotnope. he dont get it.

The train has left the station and he's still standing on the platform!

hickerx2
I know all about making your own, I have a lathe in my shop and can use it fairly well. You must understand though it doesn't matter if their precision or built with a 4" angle grinder they are equally as worthless. You can match the points on them with crooked rings simply by moving them back and forth ever so slightly. I would do pictures but honestly the golf course took a bit out of me today and I just don't feel like screwing around with it.
 
Originally Posted By: FurhunterOriginally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotnope. he dont get it.

The train has left the station and he's still standing on the platform!

hickerx2
I know all about making your own, I have a lathe in my shop and can use it fairly well. You must understand though it doesn't matter if their precision or built with a 4" angle grinder they are equally as worthless. You can match the points on them with crooked rings simply by moving them back and forth ever so slightly. I would do pictures but honestly the golf course took a bit out of me today and I just don't feel like screwing around with it.
Or a guy can be as lazy as a blind horse and blame all of his problems on the farmer's wife.
 
Originally Posted By: hickerx2Or a guy can be as lazy as a blind horse and blame all of his problems on the farmer's wife.


she did it. i know she did. she killed the lazy blind horse.
 
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Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: hickerx2Or a guy can be as lazy as a blind horse and blame all of his problems on the farmer's wife.


she did it. i know she did. she killed the lazy blind horse. And her scope is working correctly!
 
Originally Posted By: hickerx2Originally Posted By: FurhunterOriginally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotnope. he dont get it.

The train has left the station and he's still standing on the platform!

hickerx2
I know all about making your own, I have a lathe in my shop and can use it fairly well. You must understand though it doesn't matter if their precision or built with a 4" angle grinder they are equally as worthless. You can match the points on them with crooked rings simply by moving them back and forth ever so slightly. I would do pictures but honestly the golf course took a bit out of me today and I just don't feel like screwing around with it.
Or a guy can be as lazy as a blind horse and blame all of his problems on the farmer's wife.


Just goes to show you can advise and try to tell people why something doesn't work but sometimes they are so hard headed they can't even open their mind enough to understand or comprehend what's being discussed. This is so simple... If you can't put this together as to why it doesn't work.. I'm afraid I can't help you, you'd better go talk to the farmers wife.
 
Originally Posted By: FurhunterOriginally Posted By: hickerx2Originally Posted By: FurhunterOriginally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotnope. he dont get it.

The train has left the station and he's still standing on the platform!

hickerx2
I know all about making your own, I have a lathe in my shop and can use it fairly well. You must understand though it doesn't matter if their precision or built with a 4" angle grinder they are equally as worthless. You can match the points on them with crooked rings simply by moving them back and forth ever so slightly. I would do pictures but honestly the golf course took a bit out of me today and I just don't feel like screwing around with it.
Or a guy can be as lazy as a blind horse and blame all of his problems on the farmer's wife.


Just goes to show you can advise and try to tell people why something doesn't work but sometimes they are so hard headed they can't even open their mind enough to understand or comprehend what's being discussed. This is so simple... If you can't put this together as to why it doesn't work.. I'm afraid I can't help you, you'd better go talk to the farmers wife. My sentiments exactly.
 
Originally Posted By: Furhunter

Just goes to show you can advise and try to tell people why something doesn't work but sometimes they are so hard headed they can't even open their mind enough to understand or comprehend what's being discussed. This is so simple... If you can't put this together as to why it doesn't work.. I'm afraid I can't help you, you'd better go talk to the farmers wife.

And some people just dont understand how to use a tool correctly and if they cant understand basic principles, then all explaination is lost on them.
 
Originally Posted By: hickerx2Originally Posted By: Furhunter

Just goes to show you can advise and try to tell people why something doesn't work but sometimes they are so hard headed they can't even open their mind enough to understand or comprehend what's being discussed. This is so simple... If you can't put this together as to why it doesn't work.. I'm afraid I can't help you, you'd better go talk to the farmers wife.

And some people just dont understand how to use a tool correctly and if they cant understand basic principles, then all explaination is lost on them.


Explain it then oh wise one.
 
Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: hickerx2
Originally Posted By: FurhunterYou seem to not grasp the idea that they can be completely out of alignment and still be able to touch the points together. They aren't worth the bar stock it took to make them. Your better off with a straight lapping bar over both rings at the same time. That will tell you if the rings are aligned with each other. Points do not.

Of course I do, Which Is why I dont buy the mass-produced stuff.
When you turn your own, and the bar is chucked and indicated correctly, you end up with what youre supposed to.

Nope.
They're still junk if they're perfect.
The pointy ends of perfectly machined bars are worth absolutely zero, nada, and zilch as an indicator of alignment of the rings.

You can lead'm to water.....

Ever feel like your beating your head on a brick wall? I'm becoming even more aware lately as to why people are leaving this forum.... Its wrought with stupidity and people who like to argue over really simple things.
 
Originally Posted By: hickerx2Grab a set of calipers or a micrometer and check the dimensions of everything. Make sure the height of the rings are the same and make sure the thickness of the base is the same on each end. Warne rings are usually good to go but anything can come out of spec. The problem you describe sounds like mis-aligned rings are "torqueing" the scope tube and binding the erector assembly inside. It doesn't take a lot and is why I always use one of these because you can destroy a scope by mounting in "bad" rings.
http://www.amerioutdoors.com/resize/Shar...h=550&h=550

I'd like to know how your alignment bars would work for the OP considering he has a one piece rail for a base and rings that you........ Can't adjust. You don't have a clue so you can stop at any time.
 
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