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Originally Posted By: pahntr760Originally Posted By: Orneryolfart357Originally Posted By: pahntr760Originally Posted By: Orneryolfart357So then in other words.. the ones bashing them have never owned one?
I tried really hard to like one. The wife was looking at a Muddy Girl 243 version. The sharp edges of the mag well, the flimsy mag it's self and the mold lines on the stock were and instant turn off. Cycling the bolt was another issue. It feels like a worn out, chineese ratchet. Very crude, to us. And after tuning and replacing triggers, only a 1.5# single stage will do. I am NOT a fan of the Accu-trigger. My one and only Accu-trigger was replaced by a Rifle Basix that is at my desired pull weight.
I do not feel the Axis is junk, as asked. Just feel it is too crude for my money. I am not saying it will not work, or does not shoot accurately. Just feel there are other options out there for my money.
Well after being used to all out customs it could indeed be a let down. But some shooters looking to get started may be thrilled with a $300 or less accurate rifle with a trigger/safety that has failed to kill anyone yet? I know that I would be.
Like I said, 'For Me' it is too crude. Also, the trigger/safety did not cause any death. A guy not adhering to basic firearm disciplines did. That and the lack of maintenance, and improperly adjusted trigger. I saw a news story with the rifle in question. It was a rusted and neglected display of foolishness. I feel bad for the family, loss of life is terrible. But had the rifle been pointed in a safe direction, not towards a group of people on the other side of a horse trailer, the boy would still be alive. But anything to continue your campaign, carry on.
pahntr760:
Thank you for the last few sentences in your post. That is the sad facts about a very tragic reality. No one wants to see or hear about a life lost, but common sense goes a long way in never letting that happen. No gun is perfect. They are mechanical tools just like many other less-than-perfect tools that we use and they should be maintained properly.
There have been unintentional firings of guns of all makes, both handguns and rifles that have caused tragedy or that have only caused some amount of fright at that moment of firing. Remington, because they are one of the larger gun makers with literally million of guns in existence, have had this issue drummed into the minds of the American public who have no real knowledge or understanding of the real issues at play here. The fact that many of them buy the mantra of the anti-gun establishment hook, line, and sinker is not surprising. In doing so, the media and the uninformed public continue to spread mis-information to anyone who will listen.
Have Remington rifles ever fired unintentionally? I'm sure they have. So have rifles or handguns of every other manufacturer we could name, also because of poor care, mechanical failures, or whatever the reasons may be.
Why someone who supposedly supports gun use and gun rights but has no real facts other than what the anti-gun media harps daily would continue his constant drumming to the same tune any chance he sniffs is totally beyond me. We all have our likes and dislikes as far as firearms are concerned. We see that constantly in the "X vs Y" threads that get posted. I own some Remington rifles and they are far from my favorite, but assuming that they are unsafe is not one of the reasons they are not my favorite. I simply like other features in other makes of hunting rifles.
However, to have to sit on your hands on a forum like this when you see the same weak individual turn every thread possible into a personal Remington bashing opportunity is beyond me. All I can figure is that the individual has no real self perception of himself that is good, so being a "champion" of anything while sitting behind his computer by himself apparently gives meaning to his life that otherwise doesn't exist.
It's sad, and I personally wish it would stop, whether I ever buy another Remington product or not. He's hurting everyone in the gun community just to make himself appear important.
Because I have seriously hunted most of my adult life, its not easy to admit, but I have had one unintentional firing of a rifle in my life. Fortunately it did no harm because it was safely pointed in a direction where no one or no one's property was involved. Most likely it was a cold weather issue, possibly from maybe gun oil that gelled or whatever, in extreme cold conditions. It happened and it caused me to look for a reason which I could never determine simply because it could not be repeated. I still own the rifle and use it, now with maybe better maintenance tools and procedures than I used 20+ years ago. But you'll never see me even questioning the specific gun maker for something he may or may not have done wrong. I was responsible at the time for the results of what happened and not some lady or man in a factory 1,000 miles away.
I tried really hard to like one. The wife was looking at a Muddy Girl 243 version. The sharp edges of the mag well, the flimsy mag it's self and the mold lines on the stock were and instant turn off. Cycling the bolt was another issue. It feels like a worn out, chineese ratchet. Very crude, to us. And after tuning and replacing triggers, only a 1.5# single stage will do. I am NOT a fan of the Accu-trigger. My one and only Accu-trigger was replaced by a Rifle Basix that is at my desired pull weight.
I do not feel the Axis is junk, as asked. Just feel it is too crude for my money. I am not saying it will not work, or does not shoot accurately. Just feel there are other options out there for my money.
Well after being used to all out customs it could indeed be a let down. But some shooters looking to get started may be thrilled with a $300 or less accurate rifle with a trigger/safety that has failed to kill anyone yet? I know that I would be.
Like I said, 'For Me' it is too crude. Also, the trigger/safety did not cause any death. A guy not adhering to basic firearm disciplines did. That and the lack of maintenance, and improperly adjusted trigger. I saw a news story with the rifle in question. It was a rusted and neglected display of foolishness. I feel bad for the family, loss of life is terrible. But had the rifle been pointed in a safe direction, not towards a group of people on the other side of a horse trailer, the boy would still be alive. But anything to continue your campaign, carry on.
pahntr760:
Thank you for the last few sentences in your post. That is the sad facts about a very tragic reality. No one wants to see or hear about a life lost, but common sense goes a long way in never letting that happen. No gun is perfect. They are mechanical tools just like many other less-than-perfect tools that we use and they should be maintained properly.
There have been unintentional firings of guns of all makes, both handguns and rifles that have caused tragedy or that have only caused some amount of fright at that moment of firing. Remington, because they are one of the larger gun makers with literally million of guns in existence, have had this issue drummed into the minds of the American public who have no real knowledge or understanding of the real issues at play here. The fact that many of them buy the mantra of the anti-gun establishment hook, line, and sinker is not surprising. In doing so, the media and the uninformed public continue to spread mis-information to anyone who will listen.
Have Remington rifles ever fired unintentionally? I'm sure they have. So have rifles or handguns of every other manufacturer we could name, also because of poor care, mechanical failures, or whatever the reasons may be.
Why someone who supposedly supports gun use and gun rights but has no real facts other than what the anti-gun media harps daily would continue his constant drumming to the same tune any chance he sniffs is totally beyond me. We all have our likes and dislikes as far as firearms are concerned. We see that constantly in the "X vs Y" threads that get posted. I own some Remington rifles and they are far from my favorite, but assuming that they are unsafe is not one of the reasons they are not my favorite. I simply like other features in other makes of hunting rifles.
However, to have to sit on your hands on a forum like this when you see the same weak individual turn every thread possible into a personal Remington bashing opportunity is beyond me. All I can figure is that the individual has no real self perception of himself that is good, so being a "champion" of anything while sitting behind his computer by himself apparently gives meaning to his life that otherwise doesn't exist.
It's sad, and I personally wish it would stop, whether I ever buy another Remington product or not. He's hurting everyone in the gun community just to make himself appear important.
Because I have seriously hunted most of my adult life, its not easy to admit, but I have had one unintentional firing of a rifle in my life. Fortunately it did no harm because it was safely pointed in a direction where no one or no one's property was involved. Most likely it was a cold weather issue, possibly from maybe gun oil that gelled or whatever, in extreme cold conditions. It happened and it caused me to look for a reason which I could never determine simply because it could not be repeated. I still own the rifle and use it, now with maybe better maintenance tools and procedures than I used 20+ years ago. But you'll never see me even questioning the specific gun maker for something he may or may not have done wrong. I was responsible at the time for the results of what happened and not some lady or man in a factory 1,000 miles away.
