saw coyote stalking calves tonight

songdogslayer

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driving home from a baseball game with the family tonight (50 mile drive) and about 12 miles from home I spotted a coyote stalking some calves. stopped the pickup, took out the binos and had a look. kids were excited (wife was rolling her eyes) and ol' wiley got skittish and took the slow trot away. he was about 500 - 550 yards away when we first saw him . . . would've loved to have been proned out staring at him through the ol' Horus Vision Predator on top of the Savage model 12 in .243 . . . next time, wiley, next time.
 
They are attracted by the poo and birthing and some lost calves. Generally they just hang around on the fringes of the herd because old cows will stomp a mudhole in them if they get too close to their healthy babies. When I cowboyed I always carried a .30-30 or a shotgun when ear tagging and doctoring new calves. Usually took a couple of dogs a season just by catching them fringing the herd.
 
I'm sure the reports above are accurate, but out here in Oregon, the yotes are actually killing calves...at an alarming rate. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Just got another call from a local cattle rancher who is begging me to come back on Thursday to kill some more coyotes. He has lost three more calves since Friday to coyotes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

He didn't have to ask twice. Come Thursday morning, I'll be planning a surprise for the little buggers! Mr. Wiley, meet Mr. Ruger! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Rustydog
 
I see how farmers want to get rid of coyotes that are killing their calves. But we as humans are the ones who are infringing on their property. They are just trying to adapt to the new food source that is availabe to them. It isn't their fault that they kill calves it is ours, because we are invading on their property. They are just doing what is necessary to survive. Most have never thought about it that way.
 
"Most" are smarter than your post, pack999. Very short sighted, not thought out, classic PETA logic.
I dont know how anyone could miss it "the thought" PETA and the Humane societys have been using that tired ill-logic to explain everything from attacks on humans to animals getting hit by cars for the last 20-30 years.

"Invading their property" the coyotes are killing the easiest food they can find, would you rather chase down a wild fast 2 pound rabbit or a slow stupid 30 pound day old calf? You dont think a yote would travel a few miles for an easy meal?
Next you'll try to say that coyotes only kill the "weak and sick" and "only what they need to eat"
What a load!
CD
 
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You tell him.
While we are on there land???? the law of survival is he how has the biggest gun wins or who ever is faster to the trigger.
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I am not an anti, I enjoy hunting. I just wouldn't hold a grudge against a coyote that killed one of my calves if I was a farmer. Yeah Bofire that is what I am saying. Calves are easy prey. They are not a native wild animal. Humans breed thousands of them. It is survival of the fittest. Calves are weaker than coyotes. Coyotes overcome them in the food chain. That is why coyotes shouldn't be viewed as savage killers that need to be exterminated, like all the farmers make it out to be. I still try to hunt them, but so far am unsuccessful.
 
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You tell him.
While we are on there land???? the law of survival is he how has the biggest gun wins or who ever is faster to the trigger.
If you wanted to get a rise out of the members of this sight you may get more then you asked for /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif



Yep around here that attitude would get you treated like the Beagle in the avatar above, and I mean by ranchers in my area, not by the members here. Pack I sure hope you are not serious. At no point should animals be excused for causing destruction to us or our property. I sure hope you posted that while still on morphine from a recent medical visit, cause it does not make much sense.
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I am not an anti, I enjoy hunting. I just wouldn't hold a grudge against a coyote that killed one of my calves if I was a farmer. Yeah Bofire that is what I am saying. Calves are easy prey. They are not a native wild animal. Humans breed thousands of them. It is survival of the fittest. Calves are weaker than coyotes. Coyotes overcome them in the food chain. That is why coyotes shouldn't be viewed as savage killers that need to be exterminated, like all the farmers make it out to be. I still try to hunt them, but so far am unsuccessful.



Really no grudghe at all whenb a coyote cost you several 100 dollars. Tell you what let me have a couple hundred or maybe I can just steal something else. It is in my nature to want more so I should just steal from ya right, and no grudge.

PM your bank account number later, I could use a couple 100 dollars right now.

By the way farmer grow thing like bean, potatoes and such. Raising cattle is done by Ranchers. So if your farming cows, your really in upside down.
 
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why are we considered infringing on the animals land we too are just animals who lived as hunter gatherers when i set up my terratory i'm doing the same thing a coyote is doing.
the differance is modern man thinks he is no longer a animal.
we are still animals and we tend to fence our terratory enstead of pooping a terratory.
farmers are still gatherers and ranchers are still hunters we just hunt in a squeeze shoot in a locker plant.
its the city dwellers who have lost touch with life as it was ment to be.
i would have rather lived in a tee pee on the range then lived in new york city.
whoever came up with money in the first place should have been burnned at the stake, it is the devils best weapon.
being in bussiness has tought me that money sucks the lifes blood out of everything. i wish we didn't have all this crap we spend our lives building wireing and tearing up all the nice things God made for us.
by the way cattle have been here longer than any coyote that is alive today how is that infringing the cow is older then the coyote that is doing the killin. its ok to kill calves, so is it also ok to kill pups, same mentality. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
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I help cattlemen get rid of coyote on about 33 farms here in Tennessee. A cattleman called me last night that I had not hunted on. He was alarmed because he had lost two newborn calves to coyote predation last week. I will be taking care of that little problem in a few days. This guy works a full time job in the day and goes straight to the farm when he gets of and usually works till 11 pm on the farm and all day on saturday, year round. His profit from the farm just barely pays his land taxes. The loss of these two calves in the long run will cost him $2000.00 dollars. I would be alarmed too !!!!! Coyote were released here in the mid 80`s by the TWRA and have spread like wildfire. It does not take much of a loss before the cattleman sell off there farms to pay the taxes on them. What a shame !! The farms around here in East Tennessee are slowly dissapearing. Part of the problem is the local government land tax here is too high. You can hug all the coyote you want, but I will be right behind you ready to drop them with my 243. I get great satisfaction every time I turn one`s lights out and usually laugh for about 30 minutes. You said you hunt pack999. Butterflies?????
 
Pack 999- I don't know what you do for a living and its none of my business, but the view of the picture may change if those calves were yours. Those calves mean food, clothing, and have thousands of hours of sweat equity tied up in them. Ranching is a tough road to travel down and until you lived it don't be so quick to give the fruits of their labor away.
 

I must give my $.02 I hunt for ranchers when they need to slow down the predation on their livestock. What you have said I think you need to be in the real world for a while. I have seen many coyotes standing, sometimes sitting behind a cow that is giving birth. They will wait for the right time and guess what, no more little calf. This does not happen to "weak" or "old" cattle. Last year I took out 4 coyotes at the same ranch waiting for dinner to drop. The ranchers herd of cattle is a young one, 4 yrs old is average for his cattle.
I have seen seven coyotes come in to a corral and take down the calf and mother. I don't know what you would do but this corral is 40 feet from the front door to the house. I helped the rancher out. That is his livelihood. I later found out that every calf he has is $600/per calf. The previous season he lost 22 calves due to coyotes. Lets see 22 calves x $600 = $13,200.
Now if I took that money out of your bank account how would you feel about that. Would that change your opinion. I am not beating you up personally. There are more people with the same view as yours out there. I just thought I should put it in a little different perspective.
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wow . . . I didn't expect this thread to grow legs. Pack999, I have to ask you to do a little research if you don't agree with the numbers and amount of $$$ you see being mentioned here. There's a reason the ranchers around my hometown all want coyotes dead - and it isn't because the coyotes are pi$$ing on all of their wive's rose plants. Regardless of your worldview - whether you're into evolution or creation, we - the humans - are the top of the food chain. Please don't be so quick to give away our property - it is ours, after all, not wiley's. Just because the coyote lifts his leg and / or squats on some land doesn't mean he gets dibs on it - that only works with the other coyotes out there - - - doesn't work with me and it certainly doesn't work with my rancher pals. Let us know how you feel after you kill that first coyote - I'm anxious to read if you feel guilt / remorse or genuine excitement.
Kill a coyote, save a grill.
~Scott
 
As this grew quickly i am just going to respond to everybody so it may be long. I hunt pheasants and try coyotes but no luck so far. I kill be pleased when/if I do get a coyote. I kind of feel that I have an indians viewpoint. Yes money should be gone. But that won't happen. Gwh that is a funy avatar. To elks, I am basically saying that humans are VERY greedy creatures. We took over the earth and claimed everything (including land) as ours. That doesn't seem right. This got way out of hand and I am not a coyote hugger. I am in Iowa so everyone is a farmer here. Barely anyone is devoted to just raising cows. Most will also have land that they grow corn or soybeans on. cmiddleton's bottom half is kind of how I feel. I understand the financial situation of losing calves. That means that you should keep the calves away from the coyotes, not keep the coyotes away from the calves. I didn't think it was a bad thing to have respect for the animals you hunt. Do you feel bad about the indians that white men came in, invaded and took over the whole North America? I am not just talking about coyotes here. I think there should be less human infringement on the land and more national parks.
 
Wow, the predator hunters on this site tell it like it is.Just my two cents not that it matters one way or the other. I help out with predator control on a few cattle ranches and you might think by shooting a few coyotes you are going to save the world, not so. We calf year round, there are calfs hitting the ground all year. Most of the coyotes that hang around are there to eat the after brith or the fresh calf [beeep]. Yellow and very sweet do to they are living off there mothers milk. The coyotes kill very few new calfs at birth. It is not worth the risk of being stomped on by moma. There are much easer meals. Now weak or leppie calfs dont live past the night and are eaten that day. When hunters get the call to help thin out a few problem coyotes the work begins, it is a lot of work. And how do you know that you killed the problem coyote? Again did you see the calf killed gy a coyote or was that coyote eating a dead calf? You will never get a handle on the coyote population by shooting alone, you would be amazed at how fast new ones move in to take their place.I have been shooting coyotes on a controll bases for over 15 years and for fun 16 years before that. Is it still fun? I dont know. I have lost a few to many good dogs and it is harder to get up those steep hills.
 
You feel like the indians? You are obivously not very smart. Do you think the indians would have put up with predation? Do you think they let the hoppers and mormon crickets eat their corn crops, or bears raid their food supply? Wolves take their Horses? No I do not know where people get this idea that indians were great conservationist. They used the land and animals just as we did. They wasted meat all over the place, they practiced poort range management, etc. Seriously, the fact of the matter is that no animals should be allowed to damage or hurt humans. Since you think it is mans fault, I will ship you all the plague carring prarie dogs, the calf eating coyotes, the biting rattle snakes, home robbing bears, childern eating lions, lyhme carring ticks, skin irritating chiggers, etc. You can deal with them since you have invaded thier territory.

This has nothing to do with respect. I respect the animals I hunt, I also respect the animals I raise. IN my opinon my animals that are raised by my hands get higher respect that a coyote. Do I think they all should die? Nope, but I sure will not let any live in my back yard ifthe pose a threat to me or my family.

Dog hunter,

Your right you never know if your killing the "calf eater or not, but if you shoot on site you will keep the population down, or atleast afraid of man enough that the problems will be less. I know that hunting is not the best way to control problem yotes, but if they are out on my property with my livestock, they die. I know a ranch that thought like you, hey if we do not shoot the yotes then we will loose less sheep. After 3 years their mortality from predation almost doubled. Could they ever kill all the yotes? Nope but there was obivously a correlation.

Also in some states all you can do with ease is shoot. In Colorado state law make it difficult for a any trapping.
 
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