Say NO to that new COOPER you dreamed of...

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Its not so much the donation that hurts but its the publicity that this gives the Obama campaign. Hes already lied about his second amendment stance now a firearms manufacturer is supporting him. If anyone is interested I believe that Wilson Arms supplies his barrels.



I can understand a beef with Cooper, but what does Wilson have to do with this?


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Nothing, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Yeah, that Wilson might supply Cooper's barrels is certainly interesting background, but Cooper and his dealers should hear from those of us upset about Cooper's actions. His suppliers have no part of this thing, IMO, so I hope we can leave them out of this matter. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
I do not own a Cooper. I had planned to own one soon. In fact, I have been socking away money for a new .218 Bee and my choice has now changed. ( any suggestions for a .218?? )

It is soooo hard for me to believe that people just can'y open their eyes and see the potential disaster that comes with this Democratic candidate.
 
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I have a Ruger #1 in .218 Bee w/26" barrel and so does another guy on this site (David "6mm06")- cool rifle.

They show up on Gun Broker and the other gun auction sites from time to time.
 
Wow! If you guys Google "cooper firearms" obama you won't believe what a firestorm this thing is now among gun owners on the net. We've been MELLOW over here compared to the guys on some of the other shooting forums, yaoza!
 
Glad to see it is out everywhere. With the way things are now, we cannot afford to have this kind of thing going on. I know he is just one person (company) but he spoke a bad word when you support someone against what most all of us stand for!! IN my opinion the 2nd amendment leaves no room for negotiation. We will keep our arms!!! Anyone even slightly supporting against that will never see my business.
 
For those of you interested in fighting to preserve our 2d Amendment and hunting freedoms, we have created the new Freedom Forum area here at PM.

Normally a matter like this would be kept in there, but this one was moved because it was thought it had very wide appeal to PM members and several members suggested moving it to maximize exposure.

If you get a chance, check out the Freedom Forum, especially those of you who were interested enough to contact Cooper! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=freedomforum
 
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Let the crusade begin? While I don't agree with what Cooper Arms (Dan Cooper) has done, it is after all his choice. The people who will lose their jobs are the innocent victims of this campaign. What if they're all Republicans? What source of income will they have for their families in this current economy?

That's a good point Mason Jarr,it will be to bad if the innocent one's have to pay the price...i would imagine finding work in montana right now wouldn't be easy.
 
While I totally agree with the statements here that any of Cooper's suppliers are off limits, the Cooper company is not. It is part of Mr. Dan Coopers job to market his products so that his people have rifles to make. Mr. Cooper has diplayed two things to me: 1) he actively supports a group of people that willfully attack my rights (not just the 2nd amendmant), and 2) he is a liar. Both of these are bad PR for his company.

The only people I feel sorry for in this situation are Coopers employees. As a consumer the only thing I can speak with is my money and patronage. If Dan Cooper doesn't know that slapping his customers in the face will directly affect him then he is truely a fool. He has as much right to support Obama as anyone but I have as much a right to not do business with him because of it. And yes, to the best of my abilites I don't support companies that support Democrats. It's impossible to do across the board but if there is a choice I'll go with the non liberal company.

No, I don't own any Cooper rifles. However, one was on my all time wish list as it probably was for a number of guys and gals.

Disappointing.
 
That "is" a good point Dave.
I saw a suggestion on another site that the employees try to buy Cooper out.
IMO that would be fantastic.
People who are totally inocent, and who work very hard to produce an excellent Firearms' jobs would be saved. And Cooper Rifles wouldn't cease to exist.
I'll bet Cooper would entertain any offer 30 days or so from now when the bills start piling up.

Be nice to see something good come out of this.
We really can't afford to loose any one in this industry right now.
 
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Let the crusade begin? While I don't agree with what Cooper Arms (Dan Cooper) has done, it is after all his choice. The people who will lose their jobs are the innocent victims of this campaign. What if they're all Republicans? What source of income will they have for their families in this current economy?

That's a good point Mason Jarr,it will be to bad if the innocent one's have to pay the price...i would imagine finding work in montana right now wouldn't be easy.



All the more reason for a small business owner and sole proprietor to keep his mouth shut some times!

No one held his arm behind his back when he spoke in USA Today...certainly he is a smart enough man to know this had to have some consequences! He has the right to support anyone he chooses. If he would have kept his mouth shut, chances are this would have never come to light.

I work for and help run a privately held corporation. As much as we would like to speak our mind sometimes, what comes out of our mouth can and does affect our business. Our statements and our actions, whether intentional or accidental, can affect our future, and we understand that.

It is unfortunate about the employee's futures; however, they can blame no one but their boss.

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I have been reading these post and researching the topic including campaign contributors. Where do we draw the line on who or what company we support or do not? Do we not support a company because of some employees of that company support and contribute to Obama or anyone else we disagree with? There are supporters of Obama that work for Remington, Legacy Sports, etc. that have contributed to Obama and Hillary, do we stop doing business with them? Or does it have to be the CEO or CFO? Who? Do we stop doing business with companies that have not donated to McCain, which there are many in the firearms industry, a little research will tell you which ones have/have not? How many here have personally donated to McCain? Do I own a Cooper rifle, no, would I buy one, maybe. This is the USA, we have the right to give and vote for any one we wish. We also have the right to not do business with those we wish. I have already voted for John, over 45 years of shooting and hunting, 2 tours in Nam..this is just food for thought.
 
nsmith12, Welcome to PM!

You have a good point. My son and I have had several conversations over the last few years as he was growing up. Several times it involved the use of the first amendment. All I could tell him was that he definitely had the right to speak his mind, but the comments that he made could effect him in ways that were very unpleasant.

I have not been following what has gone on with Mr. Cooper, but I'm afraid he's going to get "Zumboed".
 
A united front of all the shooters has the power to drive Cooper out of business, no doubt. Perhaps the front is even strong enough to force a handful of dealers out of business that don't knuckle under.

But what have we gained? Dan Cooper and those like him don't have the juice to change the outcome of the election. IMO, we all lose.

I don't think we have many "anti's" reading the posts on PM; however, if they did, I suspect they would be rolling on the floor laughing their butts off. What they have been trying to do for years, we are doing for them. The "Brady's" would take great pride in forcing a gun manufacturer out of business and closing down some dealers. They would be blowing their horns on every street corner boasting of what they had done. Now we are doing their dirty work for them. They win!

I don't like what Dan did one tiny bit, but I don't think forcing him out of business is the solution. In fact I view it somewhat as shooting ourselves in the foot.

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What we do, Claimbuster, is send a message to any future Coopers, S&W's and Zumbos that we give no quarter on those who will betray us to enemies of our freedom.

We also show the grabbers and antis the power of a untied shooter/hunter front. Guys like Cooper going over to the other side would otherwise be exploited, as he was in the USA Today piece, as why, 'even enlightened rifle makers LOVE The Messiah!'

No way. We cannot give an inch. We must hold our ranks and anybody who breaks ranks and defects needs to face the music.

On another note, Cooper's BS 'explanation' has been removed from his website. Perhaps since so many people have picked holes in it he realized we aren't THAT dumb and decided to take the insulting pack of lies down. Maybe he didn't think we were smart enough to access public records, dunno. Either that or he just figures we've forgotten this already.
 
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The "Brady's" would take great pride in forcing a gun manufacturer out of business and closing down some dealers. They would be blowing their horns on every street corner boasting of what they had done. Now we are doing their dirty work for them. They win!


Exactly,well said claimbuster /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Dang, this is awful news!! I've admired Cooper Rifles for years, and in a previous post I made the statement "If Cooper made repeating short action rifles, I'd be bankrupt!" I've wanted a Mdl. 57-M Custom Classic in .22 LR for a long time, but not anymore, not after this. I would never knowlingly put my money into the hands of an Obama supporter. I feel like I've been slapped in the face. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
There are some guys on this forum that are not totally with us. Hunters, gunowners, and just plain citizens are all in this together for our right. Its not that he gave money to Obama and didn't give any to McCain. Its about his thinking. We were all up in arms over Jane Fonda when she made her big deal over in Viet Nam, because we felt she was a traitor. Well I consider Cooper a traitor to our cause. He is making a living selling guns to people that are 99.9 percent all on the same page. We want to keep our guns and our rights. It is common knowledge that Obama is against all that. So like Bush once said ..."you're either with us or against us" you can't be both. I really do hope he is forced out of business. No, he won't make a bit of difference in this election, but he must pay for the injustice he has done to us, the gun owners of America.
Its too bad about his employees if this happens but that is life. One guy said well, if he would have just kept his mouth shut he wouldn't be going through all this. Well, that is correct because we would not know about his thinking or where his heart is and we would still be buying his guns thinking he is with us. Well if he has the cahones to be proud of his stand on USA Today then he better have the cahones to take the hit. Nobody ever said life is fair. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif
 
My opinion is this: If there is a niche in the market for a company like Cooper (and there obviously is) then when Cooper is gone another company will fill their slot in the market. Hopefully the new companys owners will realize who their customer base is a little better than Cooper.

It's no different to me than going into a restaraunt that has Obama '08 signs all over it. I will take my money somewhere else due to a difference in opinion.
 
This is not about 1 man or his 1 vote. It is about the message he has put out there to all the gun owners that might have been on the fence about who to vote for. No telling how many votes that are now under Obamas name because of this statement, that could have be 100's or 1000's or more. There is no doubt that Coopers statements carry more clout then just you or me, because he is the owner of a major gun company. We are just sending a message back to him saying that maybe he should no longer be an owner, seeing how he stands behind someone who is against gun rights and all we stand for.
 
Really the NRA needs to get off there butt's and post the anti's corp. names like they used to do years ago in American Hunter and Rifleman magazines!

Pepsi. and Levi being some big anti 2nd and Brady backers. It may not seem like much to some of you but, when people boycott certain products as a group a manufacture will feel it.
 
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