Say NO to that new COOPER you dreamed of...


I totally agree! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif. We need to start holding the NRA to account also as some of their recent stances were backpedals in my opinion.Everyone who believes that the 2nd guarantees all the rest should be an outspoken member in the NRA and basically make sure that Jackson fellow finds another place to work.
 
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The "Brady's" would take great pride in forcing a gun manufacturer out of business and closing down some dealers. They would be blowing their horns on every street corner boasting of what they had done. Now we are doing their dirty work for them. They win!


Exactly,well said claimbuster /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif



Dave and Claimbuster,
No disrespect, but I don't agree with this logic.

I see this disloyal person, Cooper, in the same light as I would some one that I turned in as a game violator or a poacher. We are expected to do the right thing in that instance, but sit idly by while someone in the industry supports this goomer?

I know he is not breaking the law by doing this, so maybe my analogy is flawed, but sportsmen as a general rule need to do a better job of policing our ranks, including dealing with those that are stupid enough to publicly support someone that can damage our gun ownership rights.

I agree with java, give and accept no quarter for this!

Tim
 
Claim Buster ... you must be Cooper's biggest customer! 28 in 5yrs and still own 25 with another one the way - wow! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Going for one in every caliber? Looks like the re-sale value of that collection is going to drop. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
So let me see, do we boycott firms such as Remington who has a manager in one of their divisions that gave to Obama, or try and have him fired for doing so? What of the 2 people at Legacy Sports that gave to Obama, (Howa) do we not buy from them? How about companies that have not given to McCain,such as Remington, Winchester, Savage, Mdway USA, Mccauly Coffee, they are not with us? Have they broke so called rank? I believe in the old adage "I don't agree with what you say, but I will fight for your right to say it" Cooper in our eyes was wrong, I do agree with that, but again what rights do we ignore. I to try not to buy from someone from whom I disagree deeply with, that is my right, but I also try and respect his.
 

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So let me see, do we boycott firms such as Remington who has a manager in one of their divisions that gave to Obama, or try and have him fired for doing so? What of the 2 people at Legacy Sports that gave to Obama, (Howa) do we not buy from them? How about companies that have not given to McCain,such as Remington, Winchester, Savage, Mdway USA, Mccauly Coffee, they are not with us? Have they broke so called rank? I believe in the old adage "I don't agree with what you say, but I will fight for your right to say it" Cooper in our eyes was wrong, I do agree with that, but again what rights do we ignore. I to try not to buy from someone from whom I disagree deeply with, that is my right, but I also try and respect his.






I just have one problem with that arguement and logic..

No one on your list publicly endorsed Hussien Obama in USA Today.. if they did let us know, so people can decide how to react.

An employee is a lot different than a CEO who carries and holds the namesake to the company .. one more thing, McCain is funded publicly Osama is not therefore it is currently not possible to donate to his campaign from what I understand.

Not giving money to a canidate......... is not the same as nationally endorseing a canidate and using the name of your company in doing so. (ie Cooper Rifles). /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
Mr. Cooper is the owner of Cooper Firearms, not just some junior mid-level executive or routine employee. He should have known that as the owner, his opinions and spoken words would be interpreted as the corporate policy of Cooper Firearms. As the owner of a rifle manufacturing company, he should have had enough business sense not to endorse or contribute to any political campaign or political party which is absolutely, without any doubt, anti-gun and anti 2nd Amendment. What was he thinking???

Will he be able to look any of his employees (very skilled employees, in my opinion) in the eye whenever he's passing out pink slips? Obviously, they are not to blame for his idiotic move, but they will also suffer the consequences.
 
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Yotekyllr..contributions can be made as per the following:
"Because the McCain-Palin Campaign is participating in the presidential public funding system, it will not raise private campaign contributions after August 31, 2008. However, federal law allows the Campaign to establish the Compliance Fund to defray legal and accounting compliance costs and preserve the Campaign's public grant for media, mail, phones, and get-out-the-vote programs." Any how my posts were just to bring about different ways of thinking and to get people thinking.
 
Its been a pleasure talking about this, but time now to move on. Pray that McCain wins, or we are in for some tough times. Remember to vote for your congressman and lets get the anti's out of there, the place of real power.
Great hunting and shooting to all.
 
This seems fishy to me now that I got to thinking about it! Why would a business owner from Montana make a contribution to Obama in 2004, this was well before anyone knew Hillary was running. He said he donated to help defeat Hillary. Just seems a bit odd to me.
For some reason I have a feeling we could some day hear about how Cooper Arms makes firearms, and they dont even think semi-auto weapons are safe to be on the streets. Along with "Hunters and shooters, a hunting and gun club think these weapons are overboard for hunting" Hunters and shooters is the fake gun group that endorses Obama also.

Maybe its just me, but this is fishy!!!!!!!! Its something to ponder Claimbuster /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
I for one am not going to support a person or organization in this industry that is against this industry. I am not going to be a Cooper advocate ever again. I was and I do own a Cooper. I sent them an email and for one won't forget this. You can argue any way you want but the truth is he has bit the hand that feeds him. He is now backpeddling and in my opinion not being honest. I don't want to do business with or support that.
 
And you guys think McCain is for gun owners just blows me away.
If you only knew what gun laws he has voted for.
Example Federal back ground checks,not only did he vote for it he designed it.
I cant believe you guys are bashing a person ( Mr Cooper)
For his beliefs !
What if your boss found out that you voted for McCain,and he fired you.
Shoe would be on the other foot.
What happened to the forum rules about bashing a company?
 
In response to the recent article highlighting Dan Cooper’s personal political donations, the board of directors, shareholders and employees of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc would like to issue the following statement.



The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper.



Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms.



The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.



Daily operations will continue with the competent staff currently in place in Stevensville, MT producing the finest, most accurate rifles money can buy.



Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.

We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.

Here is the email I got from Cooper Firearms.
 
I just got home and checked my email and I got the same email that ..motivationteam just posted. My email to Cooper is on the bottom and the first one is there answer. WOW, this must really be hitting home out there. However, how do we know for sure that Mr. Cooper didn't write this to save his butt or had someone write it...hmmmmmm /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif EDIT: Oh I forgot, this email came to me from Dan Pickett dpickett@cooperfirearms.com I assume he is a real person...dunno

In response to the recent article highlighting Dan Cooper’s personal political donations, the board of directors, shareholders and employees of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc would like to issue the following statement.

The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper.

Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms.

The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.

Daily operations will continue with the competent staff currently in place in Stevensville, MT producing the finest, most accurate rifles money can buy.

Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.
We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.

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From: Pete Chimienti [mailto:petejc@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:28 PM
To: info
Subject: Your endorsement of Obama
Mr. Cooper,
I’ve never been a big fan of custom guns anyway but after I saw that article in USA Today, you sir are a traitor to your fellow gun owners and sportsman. I would never consider buying any product you make.
I feel sorry for any employees that work for you because you just bit the hand that feeds them. I think you will feel the financial decline in your company and in turn your employees will feel it because you will have to start laying them off. That is all I have to say about that.
Peter J. Chimienti Harrisburg, Pa. Ret. Pa. State Trooper and gun owner.
 
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Wow!

Somebody really turned on the fire suppression sprinklers here, to put out that Cooper fire.

I wonder how Dan Cooper is taking all this?

With opinions and actions come responsibility.

Get out and vote on Tuesday.

Karl in Phoenix
 
I feel no remorse for Dan Cooper whatsoever, his employees are skilled and if they stay dedicated to excellence they will do just fine.

It is very important that we weed out those that do not hold the Bill of Rights foremost, otherwise we will slow bleed. What i can't stand is when people try and degrade you by an untruthful retraction,here is another one i will never have any use for /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif


The Slip /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGySNLyACE&feature=related


Of course we get a shameful retraction/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif




For those who may not watch the entire thing

At 2min. "One thing i want the audience to understand,and the NRA members,and the people of this country, An assault weapon is a fully automatic weapon"

I AGREE


at 5:43 "Ofcourse the most deadly shooting is ;uhh semi-automatic aimed fire, AIMED FIRE"

AGAIN I AGREE

at 6:05 "The people that i don't want to see with full automatic weapons or even SEMI- AUTOMATIC assault weapons are the criminals"

[beeep] /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

No rest for the fence sitters!
 
Here's my take on it....

Dan Cooper made a choice. He supported Obama with contributions. Cooper had to have thought the ramifications of what he was doing through before he did it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

He had his reasons.

In my opinion, all the negative press from all the gun owners is deserved. He evidently DIDN'T value his business, nor his employees more than he valued supporting who he wants for president.

It was his choice. He is having to deal with that now...

While I don't agree with him supporting Obama, I'd not infringe on his right to support who he chooses. If it washes him down the drain, then it was a purging of his own doing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Barry
 
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We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.



Don't believe for one minute that they fired him. He'll remain on the payroll and have a roll in managing the company he built.

The statement does, however, demonstrate that the message was received loud and clear and acted upon appropriately. The point here was not to put Cooper Firearms out of business, but to send the message not to bite the hand that feeds you.
 
Who all got an E mail back from Cooper arms. Hereis what I got in return today sometime while at work.




In response to the recent article highlighting Dan Cooper’s personal political donations, the board of directors, shareholders and employees of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc would like to issue the following statement.



The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper.



Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms.



The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.



Daily operations will continue with the competent staff currently in place in Stevensville, MT producing the finest, most accurate rifles money can buy.



Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.

We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.
 
Looks to me like the Shareholders are taking this as serious as they should be. Glad to see they have taken some action to resolve the issue.
 
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