Say NO to that new COOPER you dreamed of...
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timb
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We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.
Don't believe for one minute that they fired him. He'll remain on the payroll and have a roll in managing the company he built.
The statement does, however, demonstrate that the message was received loud and clear and acted upon appropriately. The point here was not to put Cooper Firearms out of business, but to send the message not to bite the hand that feeds you.
Jim,
You are right--you don't have a company named Cooper Firearms with your name being Dan Cooper and don't have some control over the board! I would bet Mr. Cooper owns a majority and voted to oust himself to save the company and that is their official answer to put this to bed.
Don't pee on my boots and tell me it's raining..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Tim
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We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.
Don't believe for one minute that they fired him. He'll remain on the payroll and have a roll in managing the company he built.
The statement does, however, demonstrate that the message was received loud and clear and acted upon appropriately. The point here was not to put Cooper Firearms out of business, but to send the message not to bite the hand that feeds you.
Jim,
You are right--you don't have a company named Cooper Firearms with your name being Dan Cooper and don't have some control over the board! I would bet Mr. Cooper owns a majority and voted to oust himself to save the company and that is their official answer to put this to bed.
Don't pee on my boots and tell me it's raining..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Tim
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The statement does, however, demonstrate that the message was received loud and clear and acted upon appropriately. The point here was not to put Cooper Firearms out of business, but to send the message not to bite the hand that feeds you.
Exactly. Just goes to show how much of an influence gun owners can have when they work together.
The statement does, however, demonstrate that the message was received loud and clear and acted upon appropriately. The point here was not to put Cooper Firearms out of business, but to send the message not to bite the hand that feeds you.
Exactly. Just goes to show how much of an influence gun owners can have when they work together.
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The "Brady's" would take great pride in forcing a gun manufacturer out of business and closing down some dealers. They would be blowing their horns on every street corner boasting of what they had done. Now we are doing their dirty work for them. They win!
Exactly,well said claimbuster /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
The brady people also take great pride when a gun writer, aka zumbo, and a gun manufacturer, aka cooper, turn their backs on law abiding firearm owners and stab us in the back. In fact, the brady people even use this as ammo against the private ownership of firearms. See how zumbo's assinine statements were used against firearms ownership? They'll have a field day with the new ammunition given to them by cooper. So do I really care about cooper? The answer is, I care about cooper even less than he cares about me and my Constitutional rights. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif MI VHNTR
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The "Brady's" would take great pride in forcing a gun manufacturer out of business and closing down some dealers. They would be blowing their horns on every street corner boasting of what they had done. Now we are doing their dirty work for them. They win!
Exactly,well said claimbuster /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
The brady people also take great pride when a gun writer, aka zumbo, and a gun manufacturer, aka cooper, turn their backs on law abiding firearm owners and stab us in the back. In fact, the brady people even use this as ammo against the private ownership of firearms. See how zumbo's assinine statements were used against firearms ownership? They'll have a field day with the new ammunition given to them by cooper. So do I really care about cooper? The answer is, I care about cooper even less than he cares about me and my Constitutional rights. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif MI VHNTR
Karl in Phoenix
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Cross J:
It didn't take very long for Dan Cooper to get the message that his freedom to support the presidential candidate of his choice and his lying about it to us is not something WE have to agree with.
With freedom comes responsibility.
Karl in Phoenix
It didn't take very long for Dan Cooper to get the message that his freedom to support the presidential candidate of his choice and his lying about it to us is not something WE have to agree with.
With freedom comes responsibility.
Karl in Phoenix
CatShooter
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It's over!
Dan Cooper has been asked by the Board of Directors, and ALL of the employees to resign.
See my other post.
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Dan Cooper has been asked by the Board of Directors, and ALL of the employees to resign.
See my other post.
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Dave Allen
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Timb,i didn't take any disrespect from you're post @ all.
I'll stick to my gun's on my remark's though.
Many don't agree with Mr Cooper's political stance,i don't either.
It would be terrible for many to lose their job's because of one man.
Maybe this will all work out,without the employee's having to pay the price.
I'll stick to my gun's on my remark's though.
Many don't agree with Mr Cooper's political stance,i don't either.
It would be terrible for many to lose their job's because of one man.
Maybe this will all work out,without the employee's having to pay the price.
yotekiller
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It's over!
Dan Cooper has been asked by the Board of Directors, and ALL of the employees to resign.
See my other post.
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No it's not over! The BOD can change the name of the company and then it will be close to over.
Dan Cooper and Cooper firearms are supporters of radical gun grabbers and until the name changes,nothing has.
It's over!
Dan Cooper has been asked by the Board of Directors, and ALL of the employees to resign.
See my other post.
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No it's not over! The BOD can change the name of the company and then it will be close to over.
Dan Cooper and Cooper firearms are supporters of radical gun grabbers and until the name changes,nothing has.
tt35
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I would personally like to know if the ownership structure of the company has or will change otherwise we will still be supporting Mr. Cooper's political agenda. BTW I sent my e-mail to Dan's personal e-mail. I haven't gotten a reply from HIM. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Javafour
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While this seems a positive development in many respects, I'd like to see how it really shakes out. As a privately-held corporation, there is little public information available about the firm's internal workings.
This is, however, a symbolic victory and you guys who cared about what he did should be congratulated for acting on your convictions. The Bill Rugers, S&W's, Zumbos and Dan Coopers of the world need to understand that cozying up to those who would deny us our rights and cultural heritage do so at great economic cost.
I believe guys like Dan Cooper and the clowns at the liberal "American Hunters and Shooters Association" are shooting elitists in the English tradition, where shooting and hunting are available only to the rich. Cooper made his living selling ~$3000+ rifles. His clientele are, mostly, still going to be able to afford whatever necessary permits and licenses will be needed to continue to shoot and hunt even after a Democrat Congress and a President Obama (God forbid!) take those rights from those of us everyday guys who have less money and agonize over spending $500 to buy a Savage at a gun show (that's me, BTW, lol!)
Don't get me wrong--I respect guys with the means to purchase fine $3000+ rifles, I just think a guy like Cooper sees himself and his clientele in a superior 'class' than guys like me who hunt and raise their kids as hunters on a middle middle-class budget. I think that elitism is a big part of what did Zumbo in, too. While he may or may not have gone BK, he did lose his magazine job and his TV show because of his decision to feed the liberals with his silly anti-black rifles statement and he got what he deserved for doing so. His advertisers heard our message then, and now, loud and clear.
You guys may have done that here to Cooper and either way you sent a strong message to those who would betray our freedoms. FWIW, I am very proud of all of you who stood on your principles, whether or not you agreed with me on how to act toward Cooper.
Finally, to the gentleman who invoked the name of the one of the companies I founded and operated for many years, McCauley Coffee Roasters, Inc. (MCR), just so you know, although the firm still bears my surname I am no longer its owner nor do I have any more connection to it. I traded my ownership shares to my now ex-wife in a deal for me to get primary custody of my two sons, 10 and 12--a great deal for me, BTW. I can and will start more companies, but my sons are irreplaceable to me.
When I did own the firm, I attached its name only to charitable donations, kids and vets charities, primarily, and I kept my personal political donations discrete and as private as possible. I certainly wasn't speaking as the firm's CEO to publications like USA Today about my support for the Republican candidates and pro-2d Amendment causes to which I donated money. Had I ever lost a customer for them, so be it, I am not ashamed of my views at all, but I did not go out of my way to rub my customers' faces in them, either, as Cooper did here.
I did lose one customer once, however, lol, a gay retail espresso cafe owner who was hacked off at me for my firm's support of the Boy Scouts of America, since the BSA maintains a completely reasonable policy against allowing gays to join the organization and be around the boys. I may have lost a few dollars there but lost no sleep over my commitment to the BSA, in which both of my sons are still active and I am proud to serve as an adult volunteer leader.
This is, however, a symbolic victory and you guys who cared about what he did should be congratulated for acting on your convictions. The Bill Rugers, S&W's, Zumbos and Dan Coopers of the world need to understand that cozying up to those who would deny us our rights and cultural heritage do so at great economic cost.
I believe guys like Dan Cooper and the clowns at the liberal "American Hunters and Shooters Association" are shooting elitists in the English tradition, where shooting and hunting are available only to the rich. Cooper made his living selling ~$3000+ rifles. His clientele are, mostly, still going to be able to afford whatever necessary permits and licenses will be needed to continue to shoot and hunt even after a Democrat Congress and a President Obama (God forbid!) take those rights from those of us everyday guys who have less money and agonize over spending $500 to buy a Savage at a gun show (that's me, BTW, lol!)
Don't get me wrong--I respect guys with the means to purchase fine $3000+ rifles, I just think a guy like Cooper sees himself and his clientele in a superior 'class' than guys like me who hunt and raise their kids as hunters on a middle middle-class budget. I think that elitism is a big part of what did Zumbo in, too. While he may or may not have gone BK, he did lose his magazine job and his TV show because of his decision to feed the liberals with his silly anti-black rifles statement and he got what he deserved for doing so. His advertisers heard our message then, and now, loud and clear.
You guys may have done that here to Cooper and either way you sent a strong message to those who would betray our freedoms. FWIW, I am very proud of all of you who stood on your principles, whether or not you agreed with me on how to act toward Cooper.
Finally, to the gentleman who invoked the name of the one of the companies I founded and operated for many years, McCauley Coffee Roasters, Inc. (MCR), just so you know, although the firm still bears my surname I am no longer its owner nor do I have any more connection to it. I traded my ownership shares to my now ex-wife in a deal for me to get primary custody of my two sons, 10 and 12--a great deal for me, BTW. I can and will start more companies, but my sons are irreplaceable to me.
When I did own the firm, I attached its name only to charitable donations, kids and vets charities, primarily, and I kept my personal political donations discrete and as private as possible. I certainly wasn't speaking as the firm's CEO to publications like USA Today about my support for the Republican candidates and pro-2d Amendment causes to which I donated money. Had I ever lost a customer for them, so be it, I am not ashamed of my views at all, but I did not go out of my way to rub my customers' faces in them, either, as Cooper did here.
I did lose one customer once, however, lol, a gay retail espresso cafe owner who was hacked off at me for my firm's support of the Boy Scouts of America, since the BSA maintains a completely reasonable policy against allowing gays to join the organization and be around the boys. I may have lost a few dollars there but lost no sleep over my commitment to the BSA, in which both of my sons are still active and I am proud to serve as an adult volunteer leader.
Javafour
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I asked this on another section...
Does anyone know for sure exactly how many employees Cooper Arms has at that plant.???? Just wondering. I have no idea how big that company is? Thanks
Peter--I don't know for sure, but I do know Cooper made 2000-something rifles in 2006. Earlier today at work when I had the exact number in front of me I figured it up to be an average of ~10 rifles each working day. While I am definitely not an expert on firearms manufacturing processes, I'd just guess as a layman that to produce ~10 such rifles per day you'd need at least a production and shipping staff of a few people, a bookkeeper and perhaps 1 or 2 other office staff plus sales/dealer relations, etc.
It definitely isn't a garage-based, startup outfit, lol!
I asked this on another section...
Does anyone know for sure exactly how many employees Cooper Arms has at that plant.???? Just wondering. I have no idea how big that company is? Thanks
Peter--I don't know for sure, but I do know Cooper made 2000-something rifles in 2006. Earlier today at work when I had the exact number in front of me I figured it up to be an average of ~10 rifles each working day. While I am definitely not an expert on firearms manufacturing processes, I'd just guess as a layman that to produce ~10 such rifles per day you'd need at least a production and shipping staff of a few people, a bookkeeper and perhaps 1 or 2 other office staff plus sales/dealer relations, etc.
It definitely isn't a garage-based, startup outfit, lol!
Monte243
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Update on Cooper from USA today.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-30-gun-ceo-ousted_N.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-30-gun-ceo-ousted_N.htm
Hey, while we are on this rampant vigilante spree, lets add CZ and Wolf Ammo to the list. I don't know who they might be supporting in this election, but I have never knowingly purchased a communistic countries product, as part of those funds goes back to the state to support it. I'm certainly not going to be a party to supporting that bunch. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Javafour
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Rifle maker bounces boss who announced Obama support
By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Montana gunsmith Dan Cooper has been ousted as chief executive of the rifle company that bears his name after pressure from gun owners who are angry that he is supporting Democrat Barack Obama.
Cooper, founder and part owner of Cooper Firearms, told USA TODAY in a story published Tuesday that he has voted for Republicans for most of his life, but he is backing Obama "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years." Cooper said he was attracted to the Democrat's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
Cooper contributed $3,300 to Obama's presidential campaign, according to election records complied by the non-partisan CQ MoneyLine.
The USA TODAY article sparked outrage from some gun owners and bloggers, including an open letter on a blog called Firearms and Freedom, urging people to boycott the company's products. Many gun enthusiasts believe Obama will try to restrict their right to bear arms, although he has said he respects the Second Amendment.
In a portion of the interview that was not included in Tuesday's story, Cooper said, "I don't believe that what's being said about Obama and his policies about guns are accurate. I have had a conversation with the senator … he is a stanch supporter of the right to hunt and the right to bear arms."
The company posted a statement Wednesday night on its website that said:
"The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper. Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms. The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President."
Cooper Firearms employs 38 people, Cooper said Monday. Cooper started the company with two partners in 1990. It manufactures wood-stock bolt-action hunting rifles that start at around $1,600. In October 1992, Cooper presented a rifle to then-President George H.W. Bush at a Montana campaign event.
In a statement Thursday to USA TODAY, Cooper said, "There is nothing on this earth I will not do for my employees … we have fought through 20 years of building what I believe to be the finest rifles built in America …When the internet anger turned on these innocent people, I felt it was important to distance myself from the company so as not to cause any further harm."
He said he had resigned the company. He did not address whether he will maintain an ownership stake — except to say, "stronger measures may be forthcoming."
"It's a really McCarthyism at its worst," said Bob Ricker, executive director of the American Hunters and Shooters Association, which has endorsed Obama. "That's really why our organization was formed, was to deal with this craziness. If you're a gun owner, but you have a contrary view to some of these wackos, they will go out and try to destroy you."
Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat, said in a phone interview that he was disturbed by the backlash against Cooper.
"It's the silly season," Schweitzer said. "There are people who have partisan interests here, and they are using the gun issue. Three weeks from now these bloggers are going to wake up, look under their bed and see that their gun is still there."
The governor, who once described himself as a "gun-toting. .. kind of Democrat," said he is a "big supporter of Cooper Arms."
"I'll go anywhere in the country to help them sell their product," he said.
Representatives for the campaigns of Obama and Republican John McCain did not respond to requests for comment.
Some gun bloggers, such as one who blogs on snowflakesinhell.com, had posted the company's e-mail address and telephone number, encouraging gun owners to boycott Cooper Firearms the company and contact its top executives.
"This needs to get around," wrote the blogger who identifies himself only as "Sebastian, a thirty something, self professed 'gun nut' living somewhere in Pennsylvania." He added: "Gun owners need to know which companies sell their interests down the river. Here's contact info for Cooper Firearms. I would talk to them, and be sure they know Obama's record, why you're not voting for him, and why you'll never buy one of their products."
The company said in a statement to USA TODAY that it had received more than a thousand emails over the controversy.
When the USA TODAY story was first published, Cooper Firearms posted a statement saying that Dan Cooper had only given money to Obama in order to "to help defeat Hillary Clinton" in the Democratic primaries and to protest the shifting of American jobs overseas. The statement said Cooper had then given money to the McCain and the Republican National Committee. Election records show no Cooper donations to McCain or the RNC, and the statement was later taken down.
Last year, a similar outpouring of outrage derailed the career of Wyoming outdoorsman Jim Zumbo after he denounced the use of assault rifles for hunting. Zumbo was a staff writer for Outdoor Life magazine and the host of a television show on the Outdoor Channel.
"Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity," Zumbo wrote in his blog on outdoorlife.com. "I'll go so far as to call them 'terrorist' rifles."
"Within a few days, I was radioactive in the industry," Zumbo writes on his website, jimzumbo.com. The magazine "asked me for my resignation, and I was suddenly without employment. I was done writing, and my TV show was on hiatus. Many of the companies that supported me in the past issued severance statements with me on their websites, as did shooting and firearms organizations," including the National Rifle Association.
Zumbo was able to save his career by publicly embracing assault rifles. He wrote a mea culpa entitled, "I was wrong, big time." And he "went on to work with the Second Amendment Foundation … and attended a three-day assault rifle course, which I immensely enjoyed," he writes on his website.
"It's very simple supporting the second amendment is like being pregnant. Either you do or you don't,," said Jim Shepherd, who publishes the Outdoor Wire and other newsletters. "Is it right? It just is. It's the way it works. It's absolutism. Dan Cooper laughed at his customers. If that company does not take Cooper out of its name, they're dead."
Andrew Arulanandam, spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said the Cooper Firearms controversy is "an indication of how voters and gun owners feel about Barack Obama. He has a lifetime record of opposing their rights."
Obama has been trying to assure voters otherwise.
Earlier this month in Lebanon, Ohio, he said, "I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-30-gun-ceo-ousted_N.htm
Nah, Obama will leave that up to the Democrat Congress and his judicial appointees, lol! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Montana gunsmith Dan Cooper has been ousted as chief executive of the rifle company that bears his name after pressure from gun owners who are angry that he is supporting Democrat Barack Obama.
Cooper, founder and part owner of Cooper Firearms, told USA TODAY in a story published Tuesday that he has voted for Republicans for most of his life, but he is backing Obama "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years." Cooper said he was attracted to the Democrat's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
Cooper contributed $3,300 to Obama's presidential campaign, according to election records complied by the non-partisan CQ MoneyLine.
The USA TODAY article sparked outrage from some gun owners and bloggers, including an open letter on a blog called Firearms and Freedom, urging people to boycott the company's products. Many gun enthusiasts believe Obama will try to restrict their right to bear arms, although he has said he respects the Second Amendment.
In a portion of the interview that was not included in Tuesday's story, Cooper said, "I don't believe that what's being said about Obama and his policies about guns are accurate. I have had a conversation with the senator … he is a stanch supporter of the right to hunt and the right to bear arms."
The company posted a statement Wednesday night on its website that said:
"The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper. Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms. The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President."
Cooper Firearms employs 38 people, Cooper said Monday. Cooper started the company with two partners in 1990. It manufactures wood-stock bolt-action hunting rifles that start at around $1,600. In October 1992, Cooper presented a rifle to then-President George H.W. Bush at a Montana campaign event.
In a statement Thursday to USA TODAY, Cooper said, "There is nothing on this earth I will not do for my employees … we have fought through 20 years of building what I believe to be the finest rifles built in America …When the internet anger turned on these innocent people, I felt it was important to distance myself from the company so as not to cause any further harm."
He said he had resigned the company. He did not address whether he will maintain an ownership stake — except to say, "stronger measures may be forthcoming."
"It's a really McCarthyism at its worst," said Bob Ricker, executive director of the American Hunters and Shooters Association, which has endorsed Obama. "That's really why our organization was formed, was to deal with this craziness. If you're a gun owner, but you have a contrary view to some of these wackos, they will go out and try to destroy you."
Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat, said in a phone interview that he was disturbed by the backlash against Cooper.
"It's the silly season," Schweitzer said. "There are people who have partisan interests here, and they are using the gun issue. Three weeks from now these bloggers are going to wake up, look under their bed and see that their gun is still there."
The governor, who once described himself as a "gun-toting. .. kind of Democrat," said he is a "big supporter of Cooper Arms."
"I'll go anywhere in the country to help them sell their product," he said.
Representatives for the campaigns of Obama and Republican John McCain did not respond to requests for comment.
Some gun bloggers, such as one who blogs on snowflakesinhell.com, had posted the company's e-mail address and telephone number, encouraging gun owners to boycott Cooper Firearms the company and contact its top executives.
"This needs to get around," wrote the blogger who identifies himself only as "Sebastian, a thirty something, self professed 'gun nut' living somewhere in Pennsylvania." He added: "Gun owners need to know which companies sell their interests down the river. Here's contact info for Cooper Firearms. I would talk to them, and be sure they know Obama's record, why you're not voting for him, and why you'll never buy one of their products."
The company said in a statement to USA TODAY that it had received more than a thousand emails over the controversy.
When the USA TODAY story was first published, Cooper Firearms posted a statement saying that Dan Cooper had only given money to Obama in order to "to help defeat Hillary Clinton" in the Democratic primaries and to protest the shifting of American jobs overseas. The statement said Cooper had then given money to the McCain and the Republican National Committee. Election records show no Cooper donations to McCain or the RNC, and the statement was later taken down.
Last year, a similar outpouring of outrage derailed the career of Wyoming outdoorsman Jim Zumbo after he denounced the use of assault rifles for hunting. Zumbo was a staff writer for Outdoor Life magazine and the host of a television show on the Outdoor Channel.
"Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity," Zumbo wrote in his blog on outdoorlife.com. "I'll go so far as to call them 'terrorist' rifles."
"Within a few days, I was radioactive in the industry," Zumbo writes on his website, jimzumbo.com. The magazine "asked me for my resignation, and I was suddenly without employment. I was done writing, and my TV show was on hiatus. Many of the companies that supported me in the past issued severance statements with me on their websites, as did shooting and firearms organizations," including the National Rifle Association.
Zumbo was able to save his career by publicly embracing assault rifles. He wrote a mea culpa entitled, "I was wrong, big time." And he "went on to work with the Second Amendment Foundation … and attended a three-day assault rifle course, which I immensely enjoyed," he writes on his website.
"It's very simple supporting the second amendment is like being pregnant. Either you do or you don't,," said Jim Shepherd, who publishes the Outdoor Wire and other newsletters. "Is it right? It just is. It's the way it works. It's absolutism. Dan Cooper laughed at his customers. If that company does not take Cooper out of its name, they're dead."
Andrew Arulanandam, spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said the Cooper Firearms controversy is "an indication of how voters and gun owners feel about Barack Obama. He has a lifetime record of opposing their rights."
Obama has been trying to assure voters otherwise.
Earlier this month in Lebanon, Ohio, he said, "I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-30-gun-ceo-ousted_N.htm
Nah, Obama will leave that up to the Democrat Congress and his judicial appointees, lol! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
What exactly did Mr. Cooper expect from the shooting community? I mean, if the company suffers from his decision to go public with his political leanings, who is to blame? This is no witch hunt. This is a bunch of people who are tired of worrying about a fundamental right being trampled on by elected officials; and even worse, appointed judges who want to make law from the bench.
And practically on the heals of Zumbo, did Mr. Cooper not think that his company would suffer because of this? If he has to fire or layoff employees, he has no one to blame but himself.
The man has every right to vote for whomever he wishes. However, he should have had the good sense to keep his mouth shut. And really, owing to his profession and obvious passion for firearms and this way of life, he should not be so naive as to vote for a man such as Obama.
And practically on the heals of Zumbo, did Mr. Cooper not think that his company would suffer because of this? If he has to fire or layoff employees, he has no one to blame but himself.
The man has every right to vote for whomever he wishes. However, he should have had the good sense to keep his mouth shut. And really, owing to his profession and obvious passion for firearms and this way of life, he should not be so naive as to vote for a man such as Obama.
Candidus
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Earlier this month in Lebanon, Ohio, [Obama] said, "I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."
Just like his promise to use public campaign funds . . .
Also, define rifle/shotgun/handgun.
Cooper will never see a dime from me! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Earlier this month in Lebanon, Ohio, [Obama] said, "I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."
Just like his promise to use public campaign funds . . .
Also, define rifle/shotgun/handgun.
Cooper will never see a dime from me! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
sandhillshunter
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WOW, been off here for sometime and didn't know this firestorm happend. I love my Cooper rifles and won't sell them for anything, but just can't see myself giving them anymore money either. Too bad, as they are 10x better than their competitor, Kimber. I won't love my Cooper rifles any less, but I just can't support a company that won't fully support our gun rights.
I still haven't bought a S&W in many years and yes I know it's new ownership. I just hold grudges for a long time!
I still haven't bought a S&W in many years and yes I know it's new ownership. I just hold grudges for a long time!
RePete
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Well good!! Looks like he resigned (was fired) for his political beliefs. Hope they put him in jail.
First you wanted to boycott hunting in Montana, and now you want Copper jailed for "his political beliefs".
I hope NOBODY EVER gets fired or put in jail for his/her political beliefs.
Think about what you just said,,,, and then do us all a favor and don't ever say anything again!!! EVER!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
The thing I dislike most about what Copper's done was lying about it, to try and placate us.
That I won't forgive...
Like Dave's pointed out, the ones that will suffer the most because of Cooper's political beliefs are the employees.
Well good!! Looks like he resigned (was fired) for his political beliefs. Hope they put him in jail.
First you wanted to boycott hunting in Montana, and now you want Copper jailed for "his political beliefs".
I hope NOBODY EVER gets fired or put in jail for his/her political beliefs.
Think about what you just said,,,, and then do us all a favor and don't ever say anything again!!! EVER!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
The thing I dislike most about what Copper's done was lying about it, to try and placate us.
That I won't forgive...
Like Dave's pointed out, the ones that will suffer the most because of Cooper's political beliefs are the employees.