rockinbbar
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Twist it any way you want to with the radiation detector.
I know that they can indeed detect radiation, and if you have said radiation, and they do detect it, without a note similar to a prescription looking documant, they WILL detain you. (I'll let YOU split the hairs of what they can detect or cannot detect.)
I'll leave it to you to call BS on the amount of radiation they can detect. I'm not trained in their equipment, although I know that they HAVE it.
Is a device like a CT or CAT Scan an X-Ray?
I ask this because I indeed know people that have had these that have either 1) Been Detained or 2) Had said note from the Dr.
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To address your Search without Warrant Question:
First, they can search any place that is known to hold wild game. Coolers, Refrigerated contraptions, Ice Chests, Wild Game Storage lockers, and the list goes on....
Second, NM G&F DOES conduct roadblocks in which ALL vehicles are stopped. If they even THINK you have been hunting, then they WILL search your vehicle without warrant. They WILL issue citations for tag violations on up to arrests for game violations. That is a fact. Call NM G&F...They gladly tell you about the seasonal practice.
The points I made are not to dispute the 4th Amendment, or the searches made by different agencies that fall into the exception of the 4th. They were simply made to let you know that EXCEPTIONS to the 4th are indeed out there, and being used.... If you don't believe it, or you stick you head in the sand and say "It isn't happening here", or you say "That won't stick in a court of law", well, it may not be, or it may not stick.... But, one thing is certain. It IS going on...
This does indeed translate to what Terry posted about the LA Game Wardens:
Originally Posted By: 220_SwiftI found a little reading that was interesting.
The laws in many U.S. states allow game wardens to conduct certain types of searches with or without search warrants.[/b]Search with or without warrant. The law in Louisiana for instance states in part "...any commissioned wildlife agent may visit, inspect, and examine, with or without [a] search warrant, records, any cold storage plant, warehouse, boat, store, car, conveyance, automobile or other vehicle, airplane or other aircraft, basket or other receptacle, or any place of deposit for wild birds, wild quadrupeds, fish or other aquatic life or any parts thereof whenever there is probable cause to believe that a violation has occurred. Commissioned wildlife agents are authorized to visit or inspect at frequent intervals without the need of search warrants, records, cold storage plants, bait stands, warehouses, public restaurants, public and private markets, stores, and places where wild birds, game quadrupeds, fish, or other aquatic life or any parts therof may be kept and offered for sale, for the purpose of ascertaining whether any laws or regulations under the jurisdiction of the department have been violated...."[3] The laws in other states may grant more or less search and seizure authority. These exceptions granted to game wardens are still considered to fall within the constitutional limits of search and seizure as outlined in the U.S. Constitution.[citation needed]
In cases of places that wild game could be deposited.....Do you have a refrigerator or freezer in your home? I'll leave the legalities of a warden asking someone if they have a refrigerator or freezer on the property that could contain "fruits of the crime", say after the person has been reported by the neighbor to have been seen carrying a deer carcass into the house, then proceeds to be denied access to retrieve the deer. (personally, if it were me, I would stand by and wait & watch the property while I radioed my superviser to wake a judge up and see if there is enough "PC" to get a warrant.) But, hey, I've heard of officers in hot pursuit of a suspect that may be harboring said fruits of the crime in their home that were indeed followed into the house. This happens usually at night while the warden is responding to a case of spotlighting and is following the vehicle without lights until it rolls up to the house.
To address this piece of ridiculous inquiry:
Originally Posted By: NM Leonand anywhere any court has said that warrant-less drive by searches would be legal or admissible in court,
as in a big white truck drives down your street and sniffs out your gunpowder for reloading, or detects how many guns you keep in your home, and how much ammo you have for each gun? What will they use the information for? All perfectly legal. They are indeed "searching" without warrant in those cases, aren't they?
Did I ever say that people could be arrested and charges made to stick with this? Who even mentioned a court would uphold ANYTHING?
I certainly didn't. I didn't even imply it.... But, do you trust Obama or the likes of him with NOT using it? How about Hillary? Think she would you it against you if it fit her agenda?
The US Public didn't want "Heathcare". Where did that get us?
If they have the technology to drive a van by your house and look through it and indeed tell how many guns you possess, or whatever else they wanted to know about what you have in your house, then WHO is going to stop them? The question I raised was not so much about search and seizure proceedures for a petty arrest, but may have more sinster implications all the way around....
With gun control issues at hand and forthcoming with the current administration, or those that follow, WHO WILL STOP THEM from using what technologies they possess to root out YOU as the evil one that possesses a firearm after they have been outlawed? WHO WILL STOP THEM from "Mapping" households when things turn bad? If anyone can't see that we are indeed rapidly turning into a "police state" that already uses some "Gestapo tactics" on thier own citizens then you are naive beyond belief...
Some countries are ALREADY there.... England, Australia to name a couple.
Might want to read what THIS chap has to say about THAT. He was secure in his belief that he had followed the law to the fullest extent. I've known the guy for several years and know he's just an outdoorsman like US that are HERE... http://www.thehunterslife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15515
As you read that thread, tell me that things he mentions don't sound familiar to incidents that have happed HERE in the US. More particularly the part where his LEGAL reloading components were considered "contraband", and treated like a gallon of nitroglycerin.
All of us had better vote wisely. All of us had better join the NRA. For those of you that think that this can't happen here, then YOU'D better pay twice....
Leon, if you can't color within the lines in polite fashion here, then please save your rude comments for the Church, and those that will put up with it there. This is my thread. I started it, and if it can't remain civil it will indeed turn the direction that last thread did, and I have already asked for moderation Before I started this thread to insure that it will be removed if it in fact does turn that direction. Your interjecting your interpretation of what I stated or didn't state comes across as rude, condescending and combative. I didn't post this to split hairs with you on amounts of radiation, and I didn't say that arrests have happened from technologies available to our govt. I simply stated that said technology does in fact exist.... The same way that I presented that exceptions to the 4th Amendment exist.
If you in particular can't abstain from the type of reply you are making in this thread, then I would request that it be removed, or at the very least locked.
I know that they can indeed detect radiation, and if you have said radiation, and they do detect it, without a note similar to a prescription looking documant, they WILL detain you. (I'll let YOU split the hairs of what they can detect or cannot detect.)
I'll leave it to you to call BS on the amount of radiation they can detect. I'm not trained in their equipment, although I know that they HAVE it.
Is a device like a CT or CAT Scan an X-Ray?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
To address your Search without Warrant Question:
First, they can search any place that is known to hold wild game. Coolers, Refrigerated contraptions, Ice Chests, Wild Game Storage lockers, and the list goes on....
Second, NM G&F DOES conduct roadblocks in which ALL vehicles are stopped. If they even THINK you have been hunting, then they WILL search your vehicle without warrant. They WILL issue citations for tag violations on up to arrests for game violations. That is a fact. Call NM G&F...They gladly tell you about the seasonal practice.
The points I made are not to dispute the 4th Amendment, or the searches made by different agencies that fall into the exception of the 4th. They were simply made to let you know that EXCEPTIONS to the 4th are indeed out there, and being used.... If you don't believe it, or you stick you head in the sand and say "It isn't happening here", or you say "That won't stick in a court of law", well, it may not be, or it may not stick.... But, one thing is certain. It IS going on...
This does indeed translate to what Terry posted about the LA Game Wardens:
Originally Posted By: 220_SwiftI found a little reading that was interesting.
The laws in many U.S. states allow game wardens to conduct certain types of searches with or without search warrants.[/b]Search with or without warrant. The law in Louisiana for instance states in part "...any commissioned wildlife agent may visit, inspect, and examine, with or without [a] search warrant, records, any cold storage plant, warehouse, boat, store, car, conveyance, automobile or other vehicle, airplane or other aircraft, basket or other receptacle, or any place of deposit for wild birds, wild quadrupeds, fish or other aquatic life or any parts thereof whenever there is probable cause to believe that a violation has occurred. Commissioned wildlife agents are authorized to visit or inspect at frequent intervals without the need of search warrants, records, cold storage plants, bait stands, warehouses, public restaurants, public and private markets, stores, and places where wild birds, game quadrupeds, fish, or other aquatic life or any parts therof may be kept and offered for sale, for the purpose of ascertaining whether any laws or regulations under the jurisdiction of the department have been violated...."[3] The laws in other states may grant more or less search and seizure authority. These exceptions granted to game wardens are still considered to fall within the constitutional limits of search and seizure as outlined in the U.S. Constitution.[citation needed]
In cases of places that wild game could be deposited.....Do you have a refrigerator or freezer in your home? I'll leave the legalities of a warden asking someone if they have a refrigerator or freezer on the property that could contain "fruits of the crime", say after the person has been reported by the neighbor to have been seen carrying a deer carcass into the house, then proceeds to be denied access to retrieve the deer. (personally, if it were me, I would stand by and wait & watch the property while I radioed my superviser to wake a judge up and see if there is enough "PC" to get a warrant.) But, hey, I've heard of officers in hot pursuit of a suspect that may be harboring said fruits of the crime in their home that were indeed followed into the house. This happens usually at night while the warden is responding to a case of spotlighting and is following the vehicle without lights until it rolls up to the house.
To address this piece of ridiculous inquiry:
Originally Posted By: NM Leonand anywhere any court has said that warrant-less drive by searches would be legal or admissible in court,
as in a big white truck drives down your street and sniffs out your gunpowder for reloading, or detects how many guns you keep in your home, and how much ammo you have for each gun? What will they use the information for? All perfectly legal. They are indeed "searching" without warrant in those cases, aren't they?
Did I ever say that people could be arrested and charges made to stick with this? Who even mentioned a court would uphold ANYTHING?
If they have the technology to drive a van by your house and look through it and indeed tell how many guns you possess, or whatever else they wanted to know about what you have in your house, then WHO is going to stop them? The question I raised was not so much about search and seizure proceedures for a petty arrest, but may have more sinster implications all the way around....
With gun control issues at hand and forthcoming with the current administration, or those that follow, WHO WILL STOP THEM from using what technologies they possess to root out YOU as the evil one that possesses a firearm after they have been outlawed? WHO WILL STOP THEM from "Mapping" households when things turn bad? If anyone can't see that we are indeed rapidly turning into a "police state" that already uses some "Gestapo tactics" on thier own citizens then you are naive beyond belief...
Some countries are ALREADY there.... England, Australia to name a couple.
Might want to read what THIS chap has to say about THAT. He was secure in his belief that he had followed the law to the fullest extent. I've known the guy for several years and know he's just an outdoorsman like US that are HERE... http://www.thehunterslife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15515
As you read that thread, tell me that things he mentions don't sound familiar to incidents that have happed HERE in the US. More particularly the part where his LEGAL reloading components were considered "contraband", and treated like a gallon of nitroglycerin.
All of us had better vote wisely. All of us had better join the NRA. For those of you that think that this can't happen here, then YOU'D better pay twice....
Leon, if you can't color within the lines in polite fashion here, then please save your rude comments for the Church, and those that will put up with it there. This is my thread. I started it, and if it can't remain civil it will indeed turn the direction that last thread did, and I have already asked for moderation Before I started this thread to insure that it will be removed if it in fact does turn that direction. Your interjecting your interpretation of what I stated or didn't state comes across as rude, condescending and combative. I didn't post this to split hairs with you on amounts of radiation, and I didn't say that arrests have happened from technologies available to our govt. I simply stated that said technology does in fact exist.... The same way that I presented that exceptions to the 4th Amendment exist.
If you in particular can't abstain from the type of reply you are making in this thread, then I would request that it be removed, or at the very least locked.
