SNIPER RIFLE ON TV

J

jrhafd

Member
i was watching the history chanel ot the military channel one of the 2 the other night and they were talking about sniper rifles. they said the they considered and MOA gun to be extremly accurate and sufficent for the job. I just thought that they would be looking for someting smaller that that. there are guys that i know that are just shooting random stuff and are not happy unless they got a there gun and load worked up to about sub moa groups
 
Originally Posted By: jrhafd there are guys that i know that are just shooting random stuff

Random stuff does not = the stress and nerve it would take to shoot down a human target from afar. Comparing the potential accuracy requirements of each doesn't make sense either.
 
MOA to what distance? MOA isnt shooting one inch. Its shooting at a hair over an inch (1.047197580733" actually) or 1/60th of a degree per 100 yards. If a rifle truely shoots MOA then it can shoot a 10" group at 1,000 yards. Most rifles dont see that kind of true measurement. Shooting 1" or less at 100 is different then 5" at 500 or 10" at 1,000.
DaFUnk
 
Originally Posted By: jrhafdjust saying i thought that they would require a little bit more from there rifle that MOA as being "sufficent"
being the battlefield environment is kinda iffy,rather disorganized and full of debris...anything with close tolerances has a tendency to not work so well....mil specs -most of the time- take that into consideration...so MOA is a pretty good compromise....
sufficently dead is a good thing....even a wounded bad guy is sufficent...
 
Originally Posted By: BoeydafunkMOA to what distance? MOA isnt shooting one inch. Its shooting at a hair over an inch (1.047197580733" actually) or 1/60th of a degree per 100 yards. If a rifle truely shoots MOA then it can shoot a 10" group at 1,000 yards. Most rifles dont see that kind of true measurement. Shooting 1" or less at 100 is different then 5" at 500 or 10" at 1,000.
DaFUnk


Well said funk. I was just gonna say just because a rifle can shoot sub MOA at 100 doesn't mean that caliber or rifle is easily sub MOA at 1000 yards, that is just a tad over 10". I would think the military is considering a rifle and caliber's performance at 1000+ meters. I would think other things go into account too like ballistic coefficient and energy retained at those distances. Also, i think i might have seen that episode and they mentioned the criteria being 10 shot groups at sub MOA performance. Which is pretty dang accurate.
 
i have to agree with all the above...my .22 mag will shoot less then a inch at 100yrds so does that make it a moa gun out to a distance no it does not.there shooting moa accuacy out there at a distance
 
I'm gonna have to disagree with the MOA at what range argument. MOA is MOA. At a 100, or a 1000, IF THE GUN WILL DO IT AT 100, THEN IT WILL DO IT AT 1000. But can the shooter? To me the differance lies there.

But more to the original post. A mans chest is about 15 inches across, so a 1 MOA rifle should easily hit him at 1000, in the hands of a sniper.

I am no expert. Just my opinion, and you how that goes.

Oh, and it was on the hostory channel, so were these WWII snipers? or sniper in Iraq? Big differance.
 
Last edited:
"I'm gonna have to disagree with the MOA at what range argument. MOA is MOA. At a 100, or a 1000, IF THE GUN WILL DO IT AT 100, THEN IT WILL DO IT AT 1000."

Negative. Other factors do play into effect, but groups tend to open up with distance. If you look around this sight at all you will find guys who have guns who are shooting well under an inch. Put the gun into a rest and lets see if the pattern remains constant at greater distance and not all rifles will
shoot to that same standard. Even from a dead rest.
DaFUnk
 
Well I diagree. The "other factors" are not the gun. As I stated.

At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is "did you hit the intended target", so it doesn't really matter. I was just stating my opinion.
 
While 1 MOA at 100 yards does mathematically equate to a MOA at 1,000 yards...That does not mean that a 1 MOA (@ 100yd) group will necessarily hold together at 1,000 yards...

There are just too many factors that must be considered and 'guesstimated' for a guaranteed performance....many can be anticipated, but not guaranteed...

It only takes that one errant gust of breeze at 900 yards to pop over a hill or around a building and if the bullet is starting to lose velocity to the point that it is on the verge of destabilization...there will be an unanticipated drift..

That is one of the primary reasons for using the 50 BMG...High velocity with a heavy projectile....almost guaranteed stability as compared with a smaller caliber..
 
I too am no expert but I believe that bullets can have a tendency to destabilize as they slow down; particularily when they go subsonic? Now, obviously, a sniper in the aremed forces is going to have a bullet that has minimal stabilization issues and will know how these affect his shots. But, 1 inch at 100 yards does not automatically equal 10 inches at 1,000 yards.
 
Quote:But, 1 inch at 100 yards does not automatically equal 10 inches at 1,000 yards. That's a two way street. It's possible for a rifle/bullet combo to not be sufficiently stabilized at 100 yards to shoot MOA, but it shoots sub-MOA at 200 yards and beyond.
 
Not to start an argument, but I've never seen that happen with my shooting... Every group that has been overly large at 100yd has stay large at 200....

I guess my barrel harmonics are just too far out of sync...

While I have observed an arrow shaft start with a wobble and then stabilize in it's trajectory, it wasn't all that accurate as far as hitting my target..
 
Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat! Repeat!

How many times do we have to REPEAT the same thing
 
This was a comment about old historic sniper rifles, to begin with.


And to answer your question, til the end of time....
 
Last edited:
Back
Top