Someone just killed Charlie Kirk
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Sgt_Mike
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@Sprinkman
Sir, I'm not telling you what to see, nor am I saying you are wrong in your observations. Like you something even though I've attempted to discuss the how. It still leaves gaps I just don't have the knowledge of the evidence / facts to explain.
And to be honest I do join you in the being skeptic department, you bring a very IMO creditable discussion to the table. And No Sir in NO way am I coloring you anything, but as someone seeking the truth.
Do I think he acted alone, no, I share the opinion there was help.
Be that support of intelligence, or movement of the rifle, or just telling him it is right thing to do. So the footage I seen only covers his egress from the building.
Here is the source that seemed to be the best supporting my statement above (why maybe the video footage we are seeing has been altered by the new outlets). in the article /video there is nothing graphic as I stated from the "news?" source in India. And one has to scroll down to see the loop of the video of the shoot egressing the building.
MY ONLY REASON for posting the link is so we collectively compare the video and see if there is in fact some alteration or different angles involved. I know we all will draw different observations. it's just human nature . It's not a argument or a got ya moment, nor to dispel /sway a conclusion .
www.theguardian.com
Merely just as you are stating observation, I'm stating what mine is for now. Which is in no way concrete and completely open to free and civil discussion such as we are having.
Do I trust the "News" Outlets, no I haven't trusted them since the mid 1980's I've always thought of Ted Turner child creation of CNN as the Communist News Network. Long before our POTUS started the "Fake News" statement, after all he (Ted Turner) was married to "Hanoi Jane" Fonda. And we know exactly how Pro- America she was.
OH STU posted while I was typing and filling the room up with words to convey my thoughts now to see what he posted.
(I miss the days of the news just telling what happened, without all the commentary, Yes it was that way at one time folks)
Oh and on MAGA yeah Former POTUS Reagan and Clinton. Both used the phrase to campaign, to gain common ground.
So if the term MAGA is NAZI ( actual name National Socialist German Workers' Party ) then both parties are guilty.
Former POTUS Bill Clinton on the campaign trail just 10 years later..
then Former FLOTUS in her campaign says this
(Why post the MAGA in a Charlie Kirk thread? Well we all know he was a supporter of the slogan / belief. )
Sir, I'm not telling you what to see, nor am I saying you are wrong in your observations. Like you something even though I've attempted to discuss the how. It still leaves gaps I just don't have the knowledge of the evidence / facts to explain.
And to be honest I do join you in the being skeptic department, you bring a very IMO creditable discussion to the table. And No Sir in NO way am I coloring you anything, but as someone seeking the truth.
Do I think he acted alone, no, I share the opinion there was help.
Be that support of intelligence, or movement of the rifle, or just telling him it is right thing to do. So the footage I seen only covers his egress from the building.
Here is the source that seemed to be the best supporting my statement above (why maybe the video footage we are seeing has been altered by the new outlets). in the article /video there is nothing graphic as I stated from the "news?" source in India. And one has to scroll down to see the loop of the video of the shoot egressing the building.
MY ONLY REASON for posting the link is so we collectively compare the video and see if there is in fact some alteration or different angles involved. I know we all will draw different observations. it's just human nature . It's not a argument or a got ya moment, nor to dispel /sway a conclusion .
How the Charlie Kirk shooting unfolded – in maps, videos and images
Conservative activist and Trump ally was shot dead at a Utah Valley University event on Wednesday
www.theguardian.com
Just exactly as you stated I fully appreciate your conclusion ( actually support it, as I truly have not ruled it out). I'm not stating you are incorrect, or wrong, nor am I attacking your conclusion.
Merely just as you are stating observation, I'm stating what mine is for now. Which is in no way concrete and completely open to free and civil discussion such as we are having.
Do I trust the "News" Outlets, no I haven't trusted them since the mid 1980's I've always thought of Ted Turner child creation of CNN as the Communist News Network. Long before our POTUS started the "Fake News" statement, after all he (Ted Turner) was married to "Hanoi Jane" Fonda. And we know exactly how Pro- America she was.
OH STU posted while I was typing and filling the room up with words to convey my thoughts now to see what he posted.
(I miss the days of the news just telling what happened, without all the commentary, Yes it was that way at one time folks)
Oh and on MAGA yeah Former POTUS Reagan and Clinton. Both used the phrase to campaign, to gain common ground.
So if the term MAGA is NAZI ( actual name National Socialist German Workers' Party ) then both parties are guilty.
Former POTUS Bill Clinton on the campaign trail just 10 years later..
then Former FLOTUS in her campaign says this
(Why post the MAGA in a Charlie Kirk thread? Well we all know he was a supporter of the slogan / belief. )
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It hasn't been all that long ago, Mike. OK, well maybe. They were still teaching the 5 W's in journalism in 1954; wonder when they stopped preaching the importance of keeping the public in the dark as to the opinion of the reporter?
Sgt_Mike
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@hm1996
Clarence, honestly it is as I suspect is the desire to "control" the narrative meaning no free speech or thought except for theirs. And the mistrust of the average citizen to draw a informed conclusion or thought. The forcing of what one should think. Free speech only applies to them, not the opposing view is what I have observed.
Commentaries used to be reserved until after 11 PM ish time frame and before signing off by the networks. (yes folks they used to sign off before cable and streaming instead of hammering a narrative 24/7. IIRC correctly CNN was the very first to hammer this into the mainstream. Honestly IMO that has lead to the division and mental decline in this great nation.
All the networks are guilty.... and recently the narrative of a "civil war" has been advocated by the left leaning networks is what my observations are.
Respectfully
Mike
Clarence, honestly it is as I suspect is the desire to "control" the narrative meaning no free speech or thought except for theirs. And the mistrust of the average citizen to draw a informed conclusion or thought. The forcing of what one should think. Free speech only applies to them, not the opposing view is what I have observed.
Commentaries used to be reserved until after 11 PM ish time frame and before signing off by the networks. (yes folks they used to sign off before cable and streaming instead of hammering a narrative 24/7. IIRC correctly CNN was the very first to hammer this into the mainstream. Honestly IMO that has lead to the division and mental decline in this great nation.
All the networks are guilty.... and recently the narrative of a "civil war" has been advocated by the left leaning networks is what my observations are.
Respectfully
Mike
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Foxpro.223
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There has to be a lot more camera footage from this situation. There's cameras everywhere.
You might not trust the media, but when the cop stands there live & says "We have his DNA, we have his fingerprint on the trigger", that's pretty damning
Foxpro.223
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Foxpro.223
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