Statewide TN Coyote Club?

These are just a few of the problems, as I see it. We did get the restrictions on Foxes taken with centerfires changed. TWRA is backwards on many of their game management policies. My e-mail is at the bottom. I'm interested in the group largely from the standpoint that we stand a better chance of affecting change as one voice.

Blake

Monday, March 03, 2003

Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency
Hunting Regulations Committee



Dear Committee Members,

I am writing on behalf of several Tennessee sportsmen with similar concerns and interests. I respectfully ask that you review the following suggestions for change in current regulations regarding hunting for coyote, fox, and bobcat.

Currently, regulations prohibit the use of centerfire cartridges for hunting fox. While fox can be successfully taken with rimfire cartridges, the effective range is very limited and clean kills are often difficult at medium ranges. We ask that you consider a change in regulations to include the use of centerfire cartridges for the pursuit of fox.

Second, current regulations prohibit the use of larger than #4 shot for fox and bobcat, and prohibit the use of shot larger than BBB for coyotes. Again, although we acknowledge that these game animals can be taken with the currently approved shot sizes, range is severely limited and clean kills are commonly next to impossible at all but the closest ranges . As you know, fox and bobcat can often reach twenty pounds, with coyote being significantly larger. Most waterfowlers are hard pressed to make clean kills on geese at thirty yards with BBB shot. We ask that you consider a change in regulations to include the use of buckshot for the pursuit of coyotes, foxes, and bobcats.

Third, current regulations prohibit the possession of centerfire firearms and the possession of shot containing multiple pellets during muzzleloading and archery deer season. Additionally, current regulations prohibit the possession of a centerfire rifle smaller than 6mm or .243 during deer season when firearms are legal, as well as the possession of shot containing multiple pellets. The notion of removing caliber restrictions for deer has been debated time and again, and other states have included .22 centerfire cartridges as legal deer calibers. In fact, many of our neighboring states allow all centerfires for deer. I am not advocating the use of .22 centerfires for use on deer, but it certainly seems like there could be a provision to allow the pursuit of coyote, fox, and bobcat with these cartridges during deer season, especially muzzleloader and archery deer season. The same could be said for the use of buckshot for the pursuit of the above mentioned predators during deer season, even though this also opens up the debate of legalizing buckshot for deer, as many other states have. With current regulations, sportsmen in pursuit of these predators in the state of Tennessee, are excluded from a large portion of the prime hunting season, i.e., November through early January. While we have the option of using “deer legal” calibers, this is somewhat unrealistic because of the amount of damage to the fur often associated with the use of these calibers on “small game.” We ask that you consider incorporating such a provision that would allow predator hunters hunting “privileges” during deer season (especially archery and muzzleloaders) with .22 centerfires and buckshot loads, and incorporate the use of buckshot as legal throughout the respective coyote, fox, and bobcat seasons outside of deer season.

Fourth, Tennessee sportsmen are blessed with a multitude of Wildlife Management Areas. Many of these WMA’s have their own unique regulations for hunting. Since the TWRA manages these areas, we respectfully ask that the above mentioned requests, if approved, be incorporated in the hunting regulations pertaining to these lands.

In an effort to provide some comparative information, I contacted hunters and Wildlife Resources officials from several neighboring states with four questions: 1.) Is it legal to hunt fox with centerfire rifles in your state? 2.) Is buckshot legal for deer, coyote, fox, and bobcat? 3.) Are .22 centerfire rifles legal for deer? 4.) Are there any caliber restrictions in your state during deer season? My findings for these questions are:

Kentucky – Fox can be taken with centerfire rifles. Buckshot is allowed for coyote, fox, and bobcat, but not for deer. All centerfire rifles are legal for deer and there are no caliber restrictions during deer season.

Georgia – Fox cannot be taken with centerfires. Buckshot is legal for coyote, fox, bobcat, and deer. All centerfires are legal for deer. No caliber restrictions during deer season. The only legal rifle calibers for fox and bobcat are rimfires.

Alabama – Fox can be taken with centerfire rifles. Buckshot is legal for deer, coyote, fox, and bobcat. Deer can be taken with all centerfires. There are no caliber restrictions during deer season.

Arkansas – Fox, coyote, and bobcat can be taken with centerfires smaller than .30 caliber. T shot is the maximum shotgun load for coyote, fox, and bobcat. Buckshot is not legal for deer. All centerfires are legal during deer season.

Mississippi – Fox can be taken with centerfires. Buckshot is legal for deer, coyote, fox, and bobcat. Deer can be taken with any centerfire and there are no caliber restrictions during deer season.

Virginia – Fox can be taken with centerfires in most counties. Buckshot is legal for deer, coyote, fox, and bobcat. Legal deer calibers are any caliber .23 and larger.

North Carolina – Fox can be taken with centerfires. Buckshot is legal for deer, coyote, fox, and bobcat. Deer can be taken with all centerfires and there are no caliber restrictions during deer season.

In my search for this information, in the above mentioned states, there have been no detrimental effects to the game animals, nor has there been any increase in legal violations pertaining to the questions asked above. In lieu of this data, it appears that Tennessee is much more restrictive in its regulations concerning deer, coyote, fox, and bobcat. While we acknowledge that each state is unique, many TWRA officials have assured me that none of our requests, if granted, would jeopardize the populations of these animals or create unethical hunting scenarios. That being stated, we believe that these requests will create a set of more ethical hunting regulations that are reflective of today’s hunting landscape allowing our game to be taken more humanely in the spirit of fair chase, while at the same time, allow hunters to take advantage of prime hunting seasons. Lastly, it is most always sportsmen who devise the most fair and reasonable regulations pertaining to our beloved outdoor activities. As a whole, sportsmen are highly unlikely to violate laws regulating these activities. Deviants who would tread on the law have no regard for “fair chase ethics” and will violate any regulations in spite of Wildlife Resources efforts to thwart any such activities. They are not sportsmen.

Please take into consideration these proposed changes. I will be providing a petition in the near future with the signatures of many Tennessee Sportsmen who share the same desire to see the restrictive regulations recede concerning these requests. Please feel free to contact me at any time to discuss these requests or other matters. I look forward to seeing many of you in Nashville this May.

Sincerely,



Blake Phillipy

11701 Crystal Brook Lane
Knoxville, TN 37922
865-675-0164 hm 865-548-9424 mobile
blakephillipy@charter.net
 
During the small game and other hunting seasons bb is the largest shot size allowed in Ky for the animals you mention. Buck is only allowed on coyote when no other season is in.

Good luck, Jimmie
 
Blake, thanks for joining in this effort; I hoped you would check in and see my post. You've carried the flag alone for quite a while, so maybe now we can get some help on the identified issues.
 
I thought that the Tennessee Wildlife Commission's goal was to turn Tennessee into the nation's largest petting zoo. They have convienced me that is their objective. When you consider how they have mismanaged the deer herd the past ten years - ahhh! In Nashville, if you don't hunt turkeys, you ain't s***! I don't think they know about the counties east of the Cumberland
 
Count me in, I'm just learning about yoye hunting, getting my homemade wireless call together now.

email
trap55555 "at" yahoo "dot" com

yes, I shoot alot trap from March thru Oct.

run'em,
claybreaker
aka Wally
 
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Keep em come 'in guys... I have a seminar set up for the 15th of Jan. at 7pm at Bass Pro Shops here in Memphis. If anyone will be attending please email me! I will be signing people up then. If you have anyone that you know who would be interested please have them email me at MSPCA@aol.com
 
JAMaidens,
How 'bout Bass Pro pay for you come to the new Bass Pro at exit 407 on I-40 near Sevierville, TN to give a seminar? I'll bet the response would be good. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif
I can think of 4 other NEWBIE's like myself who would attend!
Rust4brains
 
Rust4brains, have you and the other "newbies" signed up for JAMaidens' predator organization yet? If not, please do - we need support. Thanks and good hunting. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Rust4brains, that is in the works. Their store manager was mine here in Memphis... I am hoping to go to Nashville also. The only problem is TIME! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif I have a very full schedule after the first of the year... and that is just predator hunting!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Hey... just a note. Ya'll should have seen the bobcat track that I came across wile deer hunting Saturday morning. Using the small scale on the back of my Leatherman, it was about 4 1/8 inches wide and about 3 inches long. I am guessing that it was a front paw (if not this cat is huge) of a very nice cat. I have seen other bob tracks in this area turkey hunting this past year. None even close to this ones size! It's on a road leading down a ridge line to a nice open oak flat with a good sized thicket at the edge of a swamp. Lots of small ravine and old treetops on the ground. I will probably take the 12ga and knock on Mr. Bob's door in a few weeks! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I just joined the forum and I live in East TN and I am in deeeeep support of helping out predator hunting here and trying to get some changes done. A unified club could be quite nice. I have found yote sign like mad where i've been deer hunting. I'd love to go set up at night and bag some but I cannot legally do that and it kinda sucks. I don't know why I cant hunt for yote at night, or so I was informed by multiple TWRA personnel.
 
STX... Just PM your email address and full name to me and I will add you to the ever expanding list of guys! Thanks for the interest!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Hi count me in. On Arkanasa laws. About buck shot we can use it on deer . But not on coyotes you can during rifle deer season on coyotes. I have e mail the G&F here asking a Comm. to ask about it the buckshot at the next meeting and aslo to ask about predator hunting at night. VM
 
STX, take a copy of the 2005 Tenn. Hunting and Trapping Guide to one of your local TWRA staff, who has said you cannot hunt coyotes at night, say you can't find where it is written that coyotes cannot be hunted at night, and ask them to show you that prohibitive section. Then ask for an explanation of when you can hunt them and what long gun caliber or guage is legal. It might be informative for all concerned...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
You can hunt for coyotes at night, BUT...it either has to be your land AND you have a nuisance permit, or the landowner must have a nuisance permit. I have never tried to get one, but knowing the TWRA, I would suspect it is as easy as having lower endoscopy with no sedation.

Blake
 
I believe it was reference to hunting hours:

all other game species (except fox chasing, coon, possum, and bullfrogs, one half hour before sunrise to on half hour after sunset.
 
Are there any circumstances whatsoever where it would be legal to hunt coyotes with a supressed centerfire rifle? How about deer? I always thought it would be a cool idea, especially for predators, but I know a lot of states disallow supressors for hunting to combat poaching. I read the 2005 Tennesse Hunting and Trapping Guide and never saw anything about supressors anywhere. Maybe I missed something?
 
I know someone that deer hunts with a supressed rifle so I'm thinking its legal unless he has a special permit or something that I don't know about..But I couldn't find anything in the regs. book saying you could or could'nt so I'm not sure....
 
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