Summertime Coyote hunting
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Oldcoyotetrapper
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I make my living doing ADC, kill 1 another moves in. No way around it.
Spurchaser
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Trapped for a landowner ONCE that text 3 months after I left and sent me a pic of a coyote and said you missed one. I tried explaining that others will move in and I’d have to come out more than once a year for 3-4 weeks at a time. He informed me he’d get another trapper that could catch them all.
He called a buddy of mine who then called me because it was closer to me than him. I explained everything and he told the guy no thanks. This guy ended up calling me back and I told him I was full and I’d already replaced his property with another.
Last I saw he was advertising on social media. I’ve never told anyone I was a professional and only charge for what I catch so it’s in my interest to catch. Just don’t need a landowner that’s gonna call 3 months after I leave telling me I failed. I know I can’t catch them all, but I don’t leave until catches go dead and no more sign. Every other landowner understands that completely.
He called a buddy of mine who then called me because it was closer to me than him. I explained everything and he told the guy no thanks. This guy ended up calling me back and I told him I was full and I’d already replaced his property with another.
Last I saw he was advertising on social media. I’ve never told anyone I was a professional and only charge for what I catch so it’s in my interest to catch. Just don’t need a landowner that’s gonna call 3 months after I leave telling me I failed. I know I can’t catch them all, but I don’t leave until catches go dead and no more sign. Every other landowner understands that completely.
Duhhh
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I know it can all be relative to the area but on average, how quick are different coyotes moving in after one or multiple are taken out of an area?
Spurchaser
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Really depends, within 3-4 months they can start. Say I catch 12 off 600ac during a 3 week period in Feb.
I go back in August and may catch 5-6. By next February I’m back up to a dozen or more.
One property I stay at a good bit. My first 3-4 weeks are on fire. 20+ the first 3-4 weeks on 2500ac. After that it’s a lot of empty checks. This property I get paid hourly and have tons of benefits so I don’t mind. Over the next several months I may catch 2-3 more. I’m mainly trying to reduce numbers for nesting and fawning season.
Coyotes generally make a big move late Summer/early Fall. Empty territory gets settled. No matter how good you are, you’ll never completely rid a property of any predator, eventually others move in.
It’s the same with hogs. Kill/trap what you think is all of them and 2-3 months later more hogs have moved in. Our are very nomadic. We’ll go months with no sightings or sign found, then it’s like we’re raising them. I call predators and hogs…job security!
I go back in August and may catch 5-6. By next February I’m back up to a dozen or more.
One property I stay at a good bit. My first 3-4 weeks are on fire. 20+ the first 3-4 weeks on 2500ac. After that it’s a lot of empty checks. This property I get paid hourly and have tons of benefits so I don’t mind. Over the next several months I may catch 2-3 more. I’m mainly trying to reduce numbers for nesting and fawning season.
Coyotes generally make a big move late Summer/early Fall. Empty territory gets settled. No matter how good you are, you’ll never completely rid a property of any predator, eventually others move in.
It’s the same with hogs. Kill/trap what you think is all of them and 2-3 months later more hogs have moved in. Our are very nomadic. We’ll go months with no sightings or sign found, then it’s like we’re raising them. I call predators and hogs…job security!
Oldcoyotetrapper
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That’s exactly right, it’s as if yotes have some sort of internal gps system. You can find a den sweep it, kill the whole family unit pups and all the following year it’s highly probable they’ll be others denning there. Same with snaring once a yotes opens a patch to move others will follow. Even if you fill it back in they always seem to dig it back out. Even if rocked they’ll want to dig next to it. Now when they melt away in crawl sometimes it may be a year or so before they return. Something else pretty interesting and a testament to the endurance of a yote. You can kill off adults and pups as young as 6 weeks old will most likely survive eating bugs and cow turds, etc. they often will be stunted full grown but 1/2 sized. Seen this several times 15-18# fully developed adult teeth in June July August that are 6-7 inches shorter then a normal yote. Course my situation maybe different being I work 1 of 2 counties of sheep n goat country. 2 are the last strongholds of that industry in Texas. Everybody and their gramma is after these dogs. My county and most surrounding counties pay bounty’s on their ears. Like to also mention all we can do is share experiences on or about yotes. They’re very unique and adaptive creatures that evolve around what we teach them. So those who say a coyote is just a coyote hasn’t worked extreme pressured dogs. When I took this assignment I was told that if I was able to master it, id be able to go anywhere and succeed. While I’ve done good not sure ill ever completely master these yotes. That’s what keeps me going, sorry got a little off topic.
Oldcoyotetrapper
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Yep sorry about that. I’m trying to learn to navigate this site the right way but kinda winging it. Little difficult to know where to post category and topic wise. I live in this world, and everything coyote kinda ties itself together. I’ll sure try and be more careful what I comment.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Interesting timeline. No doubt coyotes abhor a vacuum and when we create one, others quickly fill it. I personally had never paid attention as to the timeline, but looking back, makes sense. Thanks for posting.
That would be a great thread. Having never done any trapping, we can learn a lot from those that do, or at least I can. Have picked up several things that make sense, but of which I had not yet tumbled to in the most recent posts
to this thread.
You're doing just fine, keep 'em coming, and thank you for some interesting topics.
Spurchaser
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Oldcoyotetrapper, not sure about your coyotes, but most of mine just basically give up in the trap and lay there knowing they’ve screwed up.
It’s those older coyotes that fight and howl and let you know they ain’t too happy about getting caught and if I’d step just a little closer, they’d show me how pissed they are. Caught a female last summer that was thin, but she was the top female of that area. Ended up catching 2 males, assuming a mate and last years pup in that same set with her urine. Didn’t hear a coyote on that part of the property all winter. But, just got a couple pics of a coyote, so they’ll be back active in that area real soon.
I pull all footholds in June to keep from inadvertently catching a fawn. By next month they’ll all be big enough to get out of a set. We have a rather large deer population and they’re notorious for being curious, lol.
It’s those older coyotes that fight and howl and let you know they ain’t too happy about getting caught and if I’d step just a little closer, they’d show me how pissed they are. Caught a female last summer that was thin, but she was the top female of that area. Ended up catching 2 males, assuming a mate and last years pup in that same set with her urine. Didn’t hear a coyote on that part of the property all winter. But, just got a couple pics of a coyote, so they’ll be back active in that area real soon.
I pull all footholds in June to keep from inadvertently catching a fawn. By next month they’ll all be big enough to get out of a set. We have a rather large deer population and they’re notorious for being curious, lol.
derbyacresbob
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I don't call coyotes from April through October. It is just to hot and there is way more critters and birds for the coyotes to eat from April through October. I am pretty sure coyotes are like dogs when it is hot, they don't move around much or need to eat as much when it is hot.
The ranches I hunt coyotes on are pretty big so I like to hunt the coyotes all day long when it is much cooler. I don't burn that much more gas hunting all day long than I would if I just hunted for 2 or 3 hours when it is real hot.
The ranches I hunt coyotes on are pretty big so I like to hunt the coyotes all day long when it is much cooler. I don't burn that much more gas hunting all day long than I would if I just hunted for 2 or 3 hours when it is real hot.
Oldcoyotetrapper
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For the most part the same. Especially once you lay hands on it. Then they basically give up. Like yours that every one so often that dominant dog gets vocal. Deer are very curious. I catch quite a few, talk about a rodeo. I will try and film that release if or should say when it happens next. Sometimes I get pretty beat up.
I once heard that when an old trapper speaks, it's best to listen. I've also heard people say that a coyote is just a coyote. There's a big difference between calling in coyotes that have never been called before and those that have been conditioned to pressure. However, all sub-species of coyotes have the same instincts that drive them to respond. When I say a coyote is just a coyote, I mean that a coyote in New York has the same instinctual triggers as one in California. While they do evolve, learn, and adapt, it's based on their experiences. An urban coyote living its entire life in the city still has the same instincts, breeding cycles, and family group structure as those that have never encountered humans. But that coyote is not adapting nor evolving it is living in it's natural environment- for that is all it has ever known
Some people claim there's no such thing as an uncallable coyote, there are times when a coyote is not going to come in no matter what sounds or set-up you make. However, with the right setup, right time, in the right p[ace with the right sound, that coyote will trigger. If there are differences in basic instincts between coyote sub-species that cause them to trigger differently, I would be interested in learning about them. Otherwise, I believe a coyote is just a coyote. Set up your stands correctly in the right location, play the right sounds, and don't overthink it.
This is not confrontational and in the spirit of casual discussion
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Oldcoyotetrapper
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Nor was my comment meant to be confrontational. In. Fact I only meant that as a generalization, I don’t actually remember reading that, not saying I didn’t. This site is super new to me and I’ve tried to navigate through it. I’ve had some confrontations with some pro callers tv/video guys who’ve completely dismissed my experiences and findings. I learned a long time ago not to argue with someone that is not open minded. Most have been at seminars or rendezvous so I just take it with a grain of salt. That said it all is very interesting to me, and regularly haunts my dreams and adds to my insomnia. One could say the addition to yotes is a mental illness. Seldom do I have thoughts that don’t pertain to my job. Yet I’ll do this till I can no longer hunt/trap yotes.I once heard that when an old trapper speaks, it's best to listen. I've also heard people say that a coyote is just a coyote. There's a big difference between calling in coyotes that have never been called before and those that have been conditioned to pressure. However, all sub-species of coyotes have the same instincts that drive them to respond. When I say a coyote is just a coyote, I mean that a coyote in New York has the same instinctual triggers as one in California. While they do evolve, learn, and adapt, it's based on their experiences. An urban coyote living its entire life in the city still has the same instincts, breeding cycles, and family group structure as those that have never encountered humans. But that coyote is not adapting nor evolving it is living in it's natural environment- for that is all it has ever known
Some people claim there's no such thing as an uncallable coyote, there are times when a coyote is not going to come in no matter what sounds or set-up you make. However, with the right setup, right time, in the right p[ace with the right sound, that coyote will trigger. If there are differences in basic instincts between coyote sub-species that cause them to trigger differently, I would be interested in learning about them. Otherwise, I believe a coyote is just a coyote. Set up your stands correctly in the right location, play the right sounds, and don't overthink it.
This is not confrontational and in the spirit of casual discussion
No way, I took what I took what you said as confrontational nor do I dismiss your knowledge. That is why I started with "best to listen". I am just stoking the fire to delve into more sharing of knowledge and discussion. What I said was just opinion, and im sure as stated above your knowledge is appreciated.
How about i restart with this;
What is your first name?
I'm Jeremy
When I was just a kid, an old German blacksmith made a comment I have never forgotten, he said, "Two heads is better than mine." Jeremy's quote is equally profound, IMO.
Spurchaser
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Ok, not as experienced in trapping or calling as most, just too hardheaded to get stumped so I’m fairly successful.
I will agree a coyote is a coyote, but I’d bet if Oldcoyote and I switched places, he’d be outstanding down here and I’d struggle on his properties.
Now why? All my properties are working properties. By working I mean human scent, tractors, trucks, UTV’s, etc. My coyotes are used to all that. Not saying it’s easy, but my way of trapping may not work out there. But, with a coyote being a coyote, I’d bet I could learn fairly quick.
I’ve called coyotes from my truck window and shot them by just lip squeaking. I’ve shut the truck off and heard a coyote barking. I walked towards it and set out the caller playing a challenge sound and had the coyote come jumping through the broomsedge until I could get a head shot.
Now would that work anywhere else? Probably not, but my coyotes are used to traffic.
I will say the constant with calling coyotes is their nose. A fresh molecule of human scent and they’re gone. That doesn’t matter anywhere I’d imagine.
I will agree a coyote is a coyote, but I’d bet if Oldcoyote and I switched places, he’d be outstanding down here and I’d struggle on his properties.
Now why? All my properties are working properties. By working I mean human scent, tractors, trucks, UTV’s, etc. My coyotes are used to all that. Not saying it’s easy, but my way of trapping may not work out there. But, with a coyote being a coyote, I’d bet I could learn fairly quick.
I’ve called coyotes from my truck window and shot them by just lip squeaking. I’ve shut the truck off and heard a coyote barking. I walked towards it and set out the caller playing a challenge sound and had the coyote come jumping through the broomsedge until I could get a head shot.
Now would that work anywhere else? Probably not, but my coyotes are used to traffic.
I will say the constant with calling coyotes is their nose. A fresh molecule of human scent and they’re gone. That doesn’t matter anywhere I’d imagine.
Oldcoyotetrapper
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No worries my friend. My name is Paul.No way, I took what I took what you said as confrontational nor do I dismiss your knowledge. That is why I started with "best to listen". I am just stoking the fire to delve into more sharing of knowledge and discussion. What I said was just opinion, and im sure as stated above your knowledge is appreciated.
How about i restart with this;
What is your first name?
I'm Jeremy
Keith Stone II
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I have noticed if there has been road salt applied to roads my steers lick all over the feed truck. Also see lots of deer at edge of roads getting the salt.A little off topic, but once on a pronghorn hunt I parked my truck in a wide open pasture with a small herd of cattle. We headed over a small rise to glass for goats. When we returned a few hours later, all the cows had surrounded my truck and licked every square inch of it. I don't know what they found that tasted so good, but that pickup was a slimy mess!
spotstalkshoot
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Coyote are social critters, with territories, they know when the territory next to theirs open up. They also have population disposal activity (some leave the family unit to find other coyote/their own territory). Good coyote habitats don't remain coyote less for long, coyote are always looking for better food/cover. Try and get permission (and keep it) on the best habitat.