Superior Shooting Systems Buffer Spring Review

Hidalgo

Hidalgo

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I bought a Superior Shooting Systems (David Tubb) flat-wire buffer spring for my DTech. Today was the first trip to the range after installation. I found out some things that I would like to pass along (if anybody cares /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif)......

The first thing that I noticed was that the recoil was faster. Not LESS, but FASTER. The old, slow, whippy recoil that is usual with an AR is gone. Recoil is now much more like the recoil with a bolt gun. Quick, straight, and much better as far as follow-up shots will be concerned. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

MY BRASS IS CLEANER! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Mine has always came out of the rifle with very black, sooty necks, and sometimes had been blackened part way down the case. Not anymore. The 30 rounds that I fired today looked like they had been shot in my bolt gun. Keeping the bolt locked up for that split-second longer makes a difference. Totally amazing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'm not totally sure, but I think that my groups tightened up just a bit. Nothing dramatic, but maybe 1/2" or so @ 200 yards. I haven't shot the rifle @ 100 yds since the installation, so I can't be sure of this. And my shooting abilities won't allow me to give set-in-stone opinions from the 200 yard mark. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

It only costs $25.00 And IMO, that's a bargain for this spring. As a side advantage, the same spring will fit both the M4 collapsible stock, as well as the A1/A2 stock. If you like to swap stocks, that's a bonus.

I really think that this is a great addition to my rifle. You owe it to yourself to invest $25 and get one. I promise you'll like it.

BWT: They offer a few different buffer springs. The one I am referring to is the FLAT-WIRE buffer spring.

They are @ http://www.superiorshootingsystems.com/
 
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That's interesting, the brass in my AR comes out filthy, completely different from the brass that comes out of my bolt rifle!
 
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The first thing that I noticed was that the recoil was faster. Not LESS, but FASTER. The old, slow, whippy recoil that is usual with an AR is gone. Recoil is now much more like the recoil with a bolt gun. Quick, straight, and much better as far as follow-up shots will be concerned. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif



Is the "Spronggg" sound gone? It looks like if I order 2 the shipping increase less than a $1. It sounds like your convinced on this upgrad, I may have to do it.
 
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Is the "Spronggg" sound gone? It looks like if I order 2 the shipping increase less than a $1. It sounds like your convinced on this upgrad, I may have to do it.



xcrider...I never hear the spring sound, because of my muffs (and my hearing is bad anyway). I doubt that it decreases the sound because there is still a spring in there, but the time from BANG to READY TO GO AGAIN is much quicker.

Wingman...If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't have believed it. Your mileage may vary, but the difference in mine was incredible. Instead of the blackened necks, they're clean as can be. The spring prolongs the lock time just a tad, so it makes sense that it would possibly prevent some of the gas blowing past the case. Course...I'm no gunsmith or AR guru, but that is the way it works as I understand it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

I called them about mine before I installed it, and they are a great bunch of folks to deal with. Answered my questions in a professional and friendly way. Give them a call if you have questions about this.
 
You guys are killin' me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif. Can't you leave well enough alone. Now I'm going to subconsciously want one of these and will end up having one, just like my Badger Tactical latch /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif. O.K., just to tease me a little more, how easy was it to install, and please don't tell me it can be done with common everyday tools /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif? I'm curious about the "sproing" also.
 
Corey, it's an easy replacement. Just separate the upper & lower, push down the buffer retaining pin, & pull the buffer & spring out. Replace the buffer & new spring, and you're ready to go. Maybe takes about 15 minutes if you haven't done it before. Just be careful of flying springs and pins! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

It is, in reality, an easy task even for a first-timer. If you buy a new spring, there's lots of guys on here that can walk you thru the operation. Very easy once you see how it's done. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
I have very little working knowledge of my AR and would really like to learn more. I have had my upper and lower seperate and noticed a stop screw of sorts in front of the buffer spring cover. I'm assuming that is easily removeable to allow for the spring removal. I'm also guessing that thing is going to come out like a snake in a can party favor, what parts will I be looking for in the carpet if I attempt this /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif? I've never gone farther than remove my bolt assembly and do basic cleaning on my AR since I bought it, guess I keep thinking it's not going to shoot the same when I put it back together. Did you notice a POI shift with your loads after the spring swap?
 
I told you that you would like it. Didn't believe me huh? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I also told you I was going to get the CWS, which I did. Brass is now even cleaner after firing than with just the new spring. Also, like the spring, reduces muzzle fip even more, so distant "hits" are even easier to see on max power (16X). and my loads are a bit hot.

It's also worth the money. Highly recommended. Both items together make my AR feel like firing a different weapon. Much more stable.

xcrider: "spproing" is gone in mine with new spring, which is an A2 stock.
 
Alright, Hidalgo and Hangtime, my wife is going to come looking for you two if you don't quit /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif. Hidalgo had me at about $30, but Hangtime you got me thinking another $50 is in order. EBR (Evil Black Rifle) is a fitting name for the rifle, not for what it does down range, for what it does to your head and wallet /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif.
 
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Alright, Hidalgo and Hangtime, my wife is going to come looking for you two if you don't quit /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif. Hidalgo had me at about $30, but Hangtime you got me thinking another $50 is in order. EBR (Evil Black Rifle) is a fitting name for the rifle, not for what it does down range, for what it does to your head and wallet /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif.



If you can afford both items, go ahead and get them. You won't be sorry.

If you can only afford one, I would start with the spring, being less money etc. The CWS is like "the icing on the cake" in terms of a difference in performance. IMHO both items are a great value for the benefits they deliver.

On your question of spring installation: If you find it difficult to hold down the buffer retainer while trying to remove the spring, you can just get the first coil forward of the buffer retainer, and "unscrew" the buffer spring out of the extension. Hope that makes sense.
 
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Alright, Hidalgo and Hangtime, my wife is going to come looking for you two if you don't quit /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif.



/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Just don't EVER let two "hunting widows" get together or it's bad news for the guys. If you keep them isolated, they aren't too bad to deal with. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Corey, the "stop" pin that you are seeing has a spring under it keeping it pushed up against the buffer tube. It can't get out because the tube is screwed up against the collar of it holding it in. Just push it down, and the buffer & spring will ride over it and come out. Just use care when doing this. If you want to, you can actually unscrew the stock about one turn and pull the little pin all the way out.

There's a link somewhere about this....I'll see if I can find it....

Here you go Corey: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=226782

That will help a little if you want to know more about how the AR goes together. I keep it pinned as a favorite on my browser. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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You Bast*rd's. I haven't had UPS deliver anything in almost 2 weeks, and now I see this. My wife had started talking to me again and everything. So tell me again how I can't live without this................ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
I only owned my Bushmaster a month before i replaced the buffer spring with a Tubbs. They do make a difference. Highly recommend this upgrade for your AR'S. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
HANGTIME, I owe you an apology. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

I had forgotten about your post on this subject (memory is failing too /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif) and when you piped in here it jogged my memory.

So.....Hey Guys! Give Hangtime the credit for finding this item. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

And it works just like he said, too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

(and just call me "Old No-Brain") /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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So tell me again how I can't live without this................ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif



Well, let's see......It's a gun part, it's cute, it's a gun part, it's cheap, it's a gun part, it's effective, it's a gun part, it's new, it's a gun part........

Need any MORE reasons? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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HANGTIME, I owe you an apology. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

I had forgotten about your post on this subject (memory is failing too /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif) and when you piped in here it jogged my memory.

So.....Hey Guys! Give Hangtime the credit for finding this item. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

And it works just like he said, too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

(and just call me "Old No-Brain") /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif



Definately no apology necessary at all! I was just "raggin'" on you. I'm glad you went ahead and got one, and are pleased with the results. That's what it's all about, sharing actual knowledge, and experiences.

I am very hesitant to recommend products. There is so much AR product out there with much of it having marginal value , therefore being a waste of money IMO. Also lots of mis-information about said product too. With that said however, when I find something that I believe to be a good product at a good price, and delivers the results it's supposed to, I do like to share it with my fellow AR shooters.

I have a very small handful of AR shooters whom I respect, and am just following their suggestions as far as gear, etc. So when they recommend something, I know it's worth taking a long look at. I'm just trying to be as good a source of information as they have been to me.
 
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I also told you I was going to get the CWS, which I did. Brass is now even cleaner after firing than with just the new spring. Also, like the spring, reduces muzzle fip even more, so distant "hits" are even easier to see on max power (16X). and my loads are a bit hot.







O.K, whats the CWS and where can I look at one? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
The springs sound like a good idea.

Thanks, Tac
 
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O.K, whats the CWS and where can I look at one? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
The springs sound like a good idea.

Thanks, Tac



Tac, it is a "Carrier Weight System" and is pictured and described on their website. It adds weight to the bolt carrier, &........well, they describe the function on there much better than I can. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Give it a look. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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I also told you I was going to get the CWS, which I did. Brass is now even cleaner after firing than with just the new spring. Also, like the spring, reduces muzzle fip even more, so distant "hits" are even easier to see on max power (16X). and my loads are a bit hot.







O.K, whats the CWS and where can I look at one? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
The springs sound like a good idea.

Thanks, Tac



Sorry about that. Here is the link.

http://www.superiorshootingsystems.com/AR_15_PRODUCTS-AR_CWS.html
 
Just checked out the AR CWS, where do you install it on the carrier? and is this the only place that sells this product? Also, once you install this can you remove it and add it to a different carrier?

This sounds like something that would great on my 204.
Anyone use the buffer pads? Or the mercury filled/hydraulic buffers?

The biggest complaint I have with my ARs is the spring sound. Don't know if there is a cure for that yet but I would be interested in that.
 


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