Suppressor for high velocity predator rounds.

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257bore

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Hey guys kind of new here I've done a bunch of reading but I haven't really found an answer to my question regarding super high velocity rounds being suppressed what should I look for in a suppressor good recommendation for suppressor. I'm currently shooting a Remington 700 chambered and 25-06 shooting 75 grain Vmax at 4100 feet per second so whatever suppressor will need to handle those velocities not sure what to look for I'm not concerned with weight or length as it's a dedicated coyote gun with minimal hiking and packing sound suppression is my number one I would also like to possibly put it on a 223 bolt gun for a night time rig. Looking at using direct thread adapter. Looked at hydrogen L and enticer L are currently my top 2 favorites but would like some fellow predator hunters input/first hand experience on the matter.
 
Haven't done anything past a 55gr vmax at 3700 outa a 22-250. I run a gemtech tracker 30, it treats me well. I used it on a 6.5 prc and it seemed pretty loud yet though.
 
You will get a lot of answers. Check into a VAPR and pick Skinnys brain on the subject.
Thinderbeast makes an awesome product as do many others.
 
25-06 ???
wellll pretty much if the can / suppressor that says 300 win mag is supported its a sure bet it will hand the volume of gas from a 25-06 with ease. Or the 7mm Win mag
No can or suppressor will reduce the supersonic crack. The only way to reduce the supersonic crack is to shoot subsonic.

Your statement of the Hydrogen L (9" length so yeah it will handle the volume (fps mean really nothing) vs the Hydrogen K at what 5" length) choice by Otter Creek is a solid choice for both the host you list with ease. As the Hydrogen L is rated to a 300 WM with a 20" barrel.
I've been looking at that can recently, limited full auto rated so regular semi or bolt action will definitely work. I don't own one but I have been bouncing it around abit for a future purchase or the Polonium series which wouldn't be what I'd advise for your stated needs.

As @Bowhntr6pt said don't over think it.
There is LOT of quality cans that can handle the 25-06 with ease, not just Otter Creek.

Hydrogen Series (K, S, L 6.5 & 7.62) | Otter Creek Labs

The Hydrogen series are extremely light weight, extremely quiet suppressor made with the PRS shooters and hunters in mind.
ottercreeklabs.com
 
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I run an SAS Vengeance 338 can on a 20" 300wm. Big can but works pretty good for suppression and balancing out the shortened TC encore.
 
Yeah I got one of the lowly Silencerco omega 300, that I run on everything 30 cal bore size and lower with ease. Works well enough for my needs on 5.56mm AR's, and the son's 7mm Win mag as well as the 300 WM. So I'm sure that the SAS Vengeance has a real pleasant tone on 300 WM and below. The bigger the can volume capacity the more pleasant tone one generally get, as a rule the baffle play a large part too.
 
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Thanks for all the replies so fast. I guess my question was more aimed towards is there a certain can style or type that suits high velocity better than others. The enticer L and hydrogen L both scored pretty darn good on pew science research and testing is my main push for those cans but that's my extent of knowledge on those suppressors. I've read alot of guys on here run the thunder beast I'll definitely look into that one as well.
 
You keep sticking to the "high velocity" statements. This makes me wonder if your expectation is to reduce the supersonic crack.
"Hollywood quiet" with a full power centerfire rifle is a myth. standard velocity rimfire (less than speed of sound) can get really close to "Hollywood" quiet.

If that is the case in your question, then it (suppressor) would have to slow the bullet down below or closer to the speed of sound before leaving the suppressor. in order to prevent the bullet from breaking the sound barrier. Which no suppressor does. There used to be a myth that suppressor did slow a bullet down floating around years ago by the critics of suppressors. They (suppressor) simply reduces the sound of the muzzle blast and gas expansion.

To the suppressor the 25-06 is no different than the 30-06 from which it's formed. XXX amount of powder = XXX volume of expanding gases containment / cooling. Smaller bore size just expels the bullet from the barrel faster, it doesn't alter the amount of expanding gases from a 06 case. Which is why I made the earlier statement of being rated for the 300WM which hold quite a bit more powder capacity. Baffle designs are as if not more of a important role as the length and diameter (volume capacity) of the "can" as they misdirect expelling gases slowing the gasses down from exiting the can as quickly thus allowing the gases to cool.

Now you as a shooter can reduce the speed of the bullet (sonic boom, aka supersonic crack) by choosing subsonic ammo or making subsonic which now it's not a "high velocity". My post is a attempt to manage expectations and fully understand your question.

A "over the barrel" or aka reflex design is what you may be seeking if so, a AB Raptor series, or maybe a Amtec Rongo series. Which means one can run a longer can without increasing the length at the muzzle vs a non reflex. As the design increases the blast area volume. There are several reviews on you tube of them. I'm sure there is other vendors but those are the ones that I found quickly.
 
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Sgt_Mike said:
You keep sticking to the "high velocity" statements. This makes me wonder if your expectation is to reduce the supersonic crack.
"Hollywood quiet" with a full power centerfire rifle is a myth. standard velocity rimfire (less than speed of sound) can get really close to "Hollywood" quiet.

If that is the case in your question, then it (suppressor) would have to slow the bullet down below or closer to the speed of sound before leaving the suppressor. in order to prevent the bullet from breaking the sound barrier. Which no suppressor does. There used to be a myth that suppressor did slow a bullet down floating around years ago by the critics of suppressors. They (suppressor) simply reduces the sound of the muzzle blast and gas expansion.

To the suppressor the 25-06 is no different than the 30-06 from which it's formed. XXX amount of powder = XXX volume of expanding gases containment / cooling. Smaller bore size just expels the bullet from the barrel faster, it doesn't alter the amount of expanding gases from a 06 case. Which is why I made the earlier statement of being rated for the 300WM which hold quite a bit more powder capacity. Baffle designs are as if not more of a important role as the length and diameter (volume capacity) of the "can" as they misdirect expelling gases slowing the gasses down from exiting the can as quickly thus allowing the gases to cool.

Now you as a shooter can reduce the speed of the bullet (sonic boom, aka supersonic crack) by choosing subsonic ammo or making subsonic which now it's not a "high velocity". My post is a attempt to manage expectations and fully understand your question.

A "over the barrel" or aka reflex design is what you may be seeking if so, a AB Raptor series, or maybe a Amtec Rongo series. Which means one can run a longer can without increasing the length at the muzzle vs a non reflex. As the design increases the blast area volume. There are several reviews on you tube of them. I'm sure there is other vendors but those are the ones that I found quickly.
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Thank you for the info. Im not trying for the Holly wood quiet but definitely want to be hearing safe while hunting. I take my 3 year old with me on the stands and shoot alot so I dont want to always be worried if his ear protection is in before firing. Not to say im going to eliminate the hearing protection but would be way more pleasant to shoot around the family and other hunters. I was more just curious if certain suppressors reacted different to say 25-06 75gr @4100FPS or 30-06 180gr @2750fps. But you're explanation of gas volume by case capacity makes sense as that's really all the suppressors job it to mitigate/control the gasses as they exit the barrel. I will definitely look into those over the barrel designs and see if that's something im interested in
 
257bore said:
Thank you for the info. Im not trying for the Holly wood quiet but definitely want to be hearing safe while hunting. I take my 3 year old with me on the stands and shoot alot so I dont want to always be worried if his ear protection is in before firing. Not to say im going to eliminate the hearing protection but would be way more pleasant to shoot around the family and other hunters. I was more just curious if certain suppressors reacted different to say 25-06 75gr @4100FPS or 30-06 180gr @2750fps. But you're explanation of gas volume by case capacity makes sense as that's really all the suppressors job it to mitigate/control the gasses as they exit the barrel. I will definitely look into those over the barrel designs and see if that's something im interested in
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So... subsonic ammo in a locked breech is the holy grail of quiet. That's anything below 1070 fps or so. The downside of such shells is they drop fast, and have low energy. To get good terminal results you gotta go heavy, think 8.6 blkout, 45-70 custom ammo etc. That being said once you go suppressed, your not going back. Way easier on the ears, doesn't spook game, doesn't allert a 2.5 mile radius to your shot.
 
here's a research project to answer YOUR questions. Keep in mind 10db is about the lightest sound to the human ear

Suppressor Sound Rankings — PEW Science

What is the quietest silencer for your suppressed firearm? The quietest suppressor for your use case is listed on this page with detailed links to the Silencer Sound Standard test data. PEW Science test data with PEW-SOFT is the most accurate suppressor test data available.
pewscience.com
 
Suppressors suppress the sound of supersonic GASSES leaving the muzzle. Has NOTHING to do with bullet fps! It is the supersonic shock wave hitting 'still' air that makes the noise. Yes the bullet makes the same shock wave but suppression won't fix that. Exhaust gas is typically 20% faster than bullet fps. Same theory as an auto muffler. Fast gas into a 'large' container slows down. Less sonic 'boom'. Mechanics, repair/cleaning/ attachment/warrantee are the important things.
 
the "coolest" shot i ever heard came from limbhanger10. we were out hunting coyotes on a foggy and humid night. looking thru the thermal, the air was thick with fog and moisture.

a coyote arrived and when he shot all you heard was a WHIZZING or SIZZLING sound followed by a WHAP as the bullet struck the coyote. almost sounded like a light saber from star wars.

WHIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....WHAP
 
Young children should still have ear protection regardless of suppressor equipped rifles. You will need a suppressor rated to volume of gas from the cartridge. Why anyone would use subsonic loads in a 25/06 for coyote(what a rainbow trajectory), just use a 223 with a large volume can, it will sound like a 22lr.
 


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