Talk me out of a 6mm.06

M Jager

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I am thinking of building 6mm-06 imploved as a "when it just has to die no excuses" yote gun. I am thinking savage action, pac-noc 26" sporter weight barrel, with a focus on 87 grain V-MAXs.

Really looking that will whack yotes with authority and no I (obviously) won't be worries about pelts with this one. I also realize its goin to be a barrel burner but so what? Just shooting yotes and the occasional other varmint it will take a long time to wear it out. I have plenty of other rifles to practice with.

Anybody care to talk me out of it or suggest that what I really need (want) is caliber XYZ?
Thanks,
Matt
 
For that purpose, it will work. If that is what you want by all means do it. It is not a bad choice.

The 260 or 7-08 will do it probably better and most certainly cheaper.

Jack
 
Jack-
care to elaborate?
I tend to thing flatter (shooting) is better in this case and tend also believe that if you hit a yote with an 87 grain v-max and he doesn't go down then a bigger bullet probably isn't going to the job either. Not picking a fight, asking for you to explain your thoughts.
Matt
 
I wouldn't dare talk a man out of a new rifle. I would weigh the advantages over a 25-06 for the outlay of cash. 'Course I'm biased towards the 25!

Just to be curious, I wonder the ballistic coefficient difference between a 6mm 87 gr. and a 75gr. 25 cal bullet. I'll have to look that up to satisfy my own curiosity.

For the record, I've owned all three and although they're all great cartridges... The 25-06 kicks the crap out of the 7-08 and 260 Rem.
 
MYK,
I dunno what the BC of the 75 grain 25.06 is but the 87 grain V-max has a published BC of .4 and is supposed to be a bit better than that.
If I went 25 cal I think I would stick to bullets between 85-115 grains.
 
my "big" coyote gun is a 6mm rem. i shoot a 65gr v-max using 45.0gr IMR-4064 out of a 24" Douglas barreled Rem 700. it's going about 3750fps. how much will you gain from having a 6mm-06 over that???
 
I also like the std. 6mm. My big gun is a 6AI Rem 700 with a 26" Shilen. I tried the 87 V-Max (highest BC varmint bullet made), but couldn't get it to shoot out of my rig. The 87 BTHP (BC .376) does well tho, and gets me as far out as i need to go. The rig is mated to the 6-24X Burris BMD that's had the ballistic stadia recalibrated to 24X. This rig now gets me to +/- 600 yds. pretty well.

A number of years ago there was an article in TVHM about the 6.5 Rem. Mag. necked down to 6mm. The guy called it the 6mm Becignuel, or something like that. The guy liked the cartridge, altho it's gotta be right at the ragged edge of "overbore". J.C. Munnell wrote about the cartridge too some in PS magazine.
 
My cousin's Douglas XX ten twist, 28" 6mm-06 (not the AI version) makes 3625 to 3650 fps with the 87 VMAX's. That's the flattest shooting thing I've ever seen to 1000 yards. Generally, 19 to 19.5 MOA from 100 yards and you're there... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

We've found IMR 4831 does extremely well in this cartridge. We're using 55.3 grains, developed by the OCW method. He actually threw the charges that resulted in this group--which I fired prone over sandbags at 606 yards...

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We don't fire large groups, as the bore life is going to be about 800 to 1000 rounds max.

Have some other musings on the 6mm-06 here... http://practicalrifler.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=54

Good luck. I think you'll like it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Dan
 
Years ago they did a 240 Souper Varminter was done on either the 270 or 06 case got around 3733fps with 56gr/IMR4350 and 87gr bullet then with 53/IMR4064 and 75gr bullet 4008FPS.
I looked at the 06 case for the 6mm bullet but settled on the 284 case, I use alittle less powder than the 06 for the same velocity. I'm like sscoyote alittle beter luck with the 87 gr BTHP has a BC of .376 vs the v-max @ .400. I'm starting to shoot some Berger 88gr has a BC of .395 they also make a 90 gr with a BC of .410 got some on order both bullets shoot real good with a 1/10 twist barrel.
Only problem I see might be the barrel lenght, me I'd want something around 28" and I'd want something like a Kreiger,
Chanlyn,K&P,Obermeyer maybe a Broughton 5c barrel. Well good luck and keep us all posted.
 
jack roberts said Quote:
The 260 or 7-08 will do it probably better and most certainly cheaper.



These are both short action rounds in a Remington 700. Short action equals stiffer actions equals greater accuracy.

What you want is a 6mm Ackley Improved , which is a short action round. It uses less powder than the 6mm/06 with all the benifits of the AI cases. Read this Article from 6BR.COM article and be convinced. 6MM heavy bullets like the 87grain V-Max have high BC and lots of thump.
 
Great article Mongo. Good read/info. I remember reading Bob Jourdan's + Boyd Mace's stuff about the 24's some years ago in PS magazine. Bob said the 6 AI was the best of the 24's, and then several years later he had an article on the AI's, and he said the app. 9% gain in powder capacity over the 6mm itself was not worth the trouble to "make" cases. I really like mine tho. and it has killed a few long-range dogs, and will again shortly hunting some of the ranches during calving season now. I remember when i 1st started getting into this long-range stuff that rig would do < MOA to 800 yds. with the 87 H. BTHP. It's definitely my favorite long-range coyote rifle.
 
I won't try to talk you out of it. I am wanting, no I mean needing, a 30 gibbs necked down to 6.5. It is basically an Improved AI. I have the action. The stock is ordered and I have found a gunsmith to do the work. So what if it will only last 100 rounds. After load development, I should have enough barrel life to shoot at least 5 yotes with it.
 
I slapped one together a few months back and have not had the chance to finish loading for it yet. It is a Rem 700 action with Douglas XX barrel glass bedded to a Rem titanium series stock. The dies were very pricey(Reddings), around $120 I think. I'm planning on working up loads with 90gr Swift Scirroccos. I'm looking forward to toying with this new rig. Now, if I had some time.....2MG
 
Well, now you've done it! You're talking about my name, so I can't sit still without joining in! Ha, Ha!!

Years ago I happened upon a local gunsmith while groundhog hunting on this particular farm. He too had permission to hunt there. I was shooting a Remington 22-250 with 52 gr hollow point match bullets. He had a 6mm-06. I asked "what the heck is that?" While we were talking, a groundhog popped up at a little over 200 yards away. His wife was the shooter. Lying prone, she commenced to make that groundhog airborn. It turned a complete flip. I still remember the gunsmith's (George) words as he turned to me and smiled and said "it does that almost every time." We continued to talk and another groundhog stood up, again about 200 yards or so. This time I was the shooter, my first time with a 6mm-06. I was hooked after that, not that it killed any better than my 250 at that distance, I mean, dead is dead, but rather the energy it delivered to the target was so much greater as to be impressive. The groundhog did a complete somersault. That 85 gr. bullet turned it every which way but loose. I learned about the distances he was shooting groundhogs, with consistency, vs the distance my 250 would do, and from that moment on, I had to have one.

To make a long story short, I had him rebarrel a Sendero to the 6mm-06. I had a 26" stainless, fluted Krieger installed, action blueprinted and scope rings lapped. I have no regrets. After the first 35 rounds of "break in", all 3-shot groups I have fired at 100 yards have been 5/8" and under, with most going under 1/2". I am using a 75 gr. V-Max and IMR 4350 for 3621 fps. I can boost the speed up, but I like the accuracy where it is now, and so I just stopped there. All these loads are "fireforming" loads. My gunsmith friend altered 6mm Lee Collet dies and that is what I load with. It's a simple matter to neck down 25-06 brass to 6mm.

I have only shot groundhogs with the 6mm-06 and nothing else, so as to performance on other game, I can't say. The gunsmith told me that there has been numerous mule deer, antelope and a few elk taken with the cartridge. He has barreled over 200 rifles in that caliber alone and has a lot of reports from the owners about the performance of the cartridge. My next trip to Wyoming will see the 6mm-06 going along.

It's not a "do everything" cartridge; none that I know of is. Rather, it's just one more unique cartridge that's a lot of fun and included in that long list of other fine ones. When used for it's purpose and with reasonable expectations, I believe it to be an excellent long range varmint cartridge. It delivers a lot of whallop to the target with heavier bullets than the 22 calibers.

I too love the 25 caliber. I have a 25-06 that is the most accurate "out-of-the-box" gun I have ever owned. 1/2" groups are the norm with 100 gr. bullets. It has accounted for five antelope, a whitetail, two turkeys, and several groundhogs and crows. For my purpose, I consider it an excellent deer-sized cartridge. But for groundhogs and such at great distances, the 6mm-06 shines.

Good Shooting To All.

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Hi, let me throw this y,all. what about the 6.5 mm I love my 6.5 X 55 with 100 gr BT.Those long bullets sure do the job. Thanks Clint.
 
Thanks for the info. Your rifle looks very similar to mine. Nice group! Hope mine shoots similarly also! Anyone else out there got any good 6mm-06 loads to share? Would love to see some more---2MG
 
Thanks for the responses guys and sorry I have been so slow to respond. Work, school, and now getting sick has gotten the better of me.

The action I would use is long so the inherit benifits of a short action cartridge are a moot point in some ways. The article on the 6mm Rem AI was interestings although I didn't see any mention of the velocities he was getting with 87 grain bullets. Also, I am rather of the opinion that if you are going to have to form the brass why not go all out.

I think this one is still going to come down to the "I want" factor, but this project isn't going to take place anytime in the near future so feel free keep the discussion rolling.
Matt
 


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