Tennessee Hunting
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Bopeye
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I'm still trying guys.
Thought I had us a place all cinched up and then one of the other members of the group told the rest of them that if we kill coyotes that they will multiply faster. Meaning they would have more coyotes than before. They bought it, so it's a no go.
I'm still working on a couple more spots though. Haven't got a unanimous decision yet on one of them and the other I just haven't been able to catch him by a phone. Don't know him personally which will make it a little more challenging, but it's worth a try.
James D. Holbrook
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Not the victory, but the action. Not the goal, but the game. In the deed
the glory.
Thought I had us a place all cinched up and then one of the other members of the group told the rest of them that if we kill coyotes that they will multiply faster. Meaning they would have more coyotes than before. They bought it, so it's a no go.
I'm still working on a couple more spots though. Haven't got a unanimous decision yet on one of them and the other I just haven't been able to catch him by a phone. Don't know him personally which will make it a little more challenging, but it's worth a try.
James D. Holbrook
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the glory.
coyotehunter 1
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Bopeye,
At least you tried, maybe later they will change their minds.
If we kill coyotes then they will multiply faster is true to some extent but it is also a proven fact the more food present the more coyotes will be produced by the female per litter and without being controlled there will be more and more coyotes produced until the food sources dry up or disease becomes a factor.
It's a no win situation except for the coyotes. They are now here and will be here until the end of time. Man and disease are their only control. Wildlife experts feel that 75% of the coyote population could be killed each year, without causing damage to the overall population. They are not endangered, populations are higher than ever and ranges are wider than ever. Coyotes have few predators other than man, mountain lions and wolves are about all that might kill one.
Sooooo.... if they think by not hunting them the coyote population will stay the same or just go away, then they are in for a rude awakening.
Just something that you may throw their way,
coyotehunter
At least you tried, maybe later they will change their minds.
If we kill coyotes then they will multiply faster is true to some extent but it is also a proven fact the more food present the more coyotes will be produced by the female per litter and without being controlled there will be more and more coyotes produced until the food sources dry up or disease becomes a factor.
It's a no win situation except for the coyotes. They are now here and will be here until the end of time. Man and disease are their only control. Wildlife experts feel that 75% of the coyote population could be killed each year, without causing damage to the overall population. They are not endangered, populations are higher than ever and ranges are wider than ever. Coyotes have few predators other than man, mountain lions and wolves are about all that might kill one.
Sooooo.... if they think by not hunting them the coyote population will stay the same or just go away, then they are in for a rude awakening.
Just something that you may throw their way,
coyotehunter
Jimmie in Ky
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That study was done by an animal rights activist. A biologist true but an activist none the less. His study is biased in the fact that he was studying a non hunted populatiuon in Yellowstone park.Predation of coyote's there is doen by wolves and bears.Making his assumptions false!!!!Pup survivabilty was less than ten percent meaning that there was little or no recruitment from each year class of animals.
The surviving adults were all older animals therefore, according to studies done in other states on coyote reproduction, litters were naturally larger.Up to a point, the older a female is the larger her litters!!!After this food availabilty comes into play.
A case of animal rights at it's best. Misinform the public and get them to believe it.The public is just ignorant enough to believe everything they read without looking up any other info. Hunters included!!!!!
Lets look into getting this together next winter at the LBL.Maybe we can get more of these ky hunters involved as well.This way we'll have time to get some of the less experienced together with those of us that have more.Scatter out and hunt both sides of the line.Jimmie
Thought I would add some food for thought. In a study done two years ago on the southeastern U.S. it was predicted that wihtout hunting pressure the coyote population would double within five years!QUadruple within ten! This was put out by the governemnt study group based in Utah.From where I sit and what has happened in my own hunting territory IN JUST THE LAST YEAR, I'd say they were right on the money!This was published in the varmint masters magazine just last winter.
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The surviving adults were all older animals therefore, according to studies done in other states on coyote reproduction, litters were naturally larger.Up to a point, the older a female is the larger her litters!!!After this food availabilty comes into play.
A case of animal rights at it's best. Misinform the public and get them to believe it.The public is just ignorant enough to believe everything they read without looking up any other info. Hunters included!!!!!
Lets look into getting this together next winter at the LBL.Maybe we can get more of these ky hunters involved as well.This way we'll have time to get some of the less experienced together with those of us that have more.Scatter out and hunt both sides of the line.Jimmie
Thought I would add some food for thought. In a study done two years ago on the southeastern U.S. it was predicted that wihtout hunting pressure the coyote population would double within five years!QUadruple within ten! This was put out by the governemnt study group based in Utah.From where I sit and what has happened in my own hunting territory IN JUST THE LAST YEAR, I'd say they were right on the money!This was published in the varmint masters magazine just last winter.
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coyotehunter 1
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Jimmie in Ky,
Good reply! Thanks for your input and for pointing this out. I have read several different documents on coyotes that contain conflicting statements and “proven facts”. What is real data and what is bull is one more problem for those of us who want to learn more about coyotes, it’s hard to determine the difference between correct “real” data and bias/corrupt research or opinions. I guess if we hear it enough then it must be true.
I’m glad I’m not a coyote in your neck of the woods!
coyotehunter
Good reply! Thanks for your input and for pointing this out. I have read several different documents on coyotes that contain conflicting statements and “proven facts”. What is real data and what is bull is one more problem for those of us who want to learn more about coyotes, it’s hard to determine the difference between correct “real” data and bias/corrupt research or opinions. I guess if we hear it enough then it must be true.
I’m glad I’m not a coyote in your neck of the woods!
coyotehunter
Bopeye
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Whew........you really have done your homework Jimmie. I'm printing this off to help me defend my position. Hope you don't mind.
You might be right on putting this off until next year and hitting the LBL. I would definately want to go there and give it a whirl. I think it's a three or four hour drive from here, so we definately have to do some planning ahead of time. Let's keep it on the back burner and hopefully we'll remember to bring it up around November or December so we can get a hunt organized for February.
I talked with a guy that deer hunts up there and he said that place was loaded with coyotes. Made me start drooling like an idiot.
I'm gonna keep trying to find a place for us here for a hunt, just because I'm a hard headed cuss that doesn't like to take "NO" for an answer.
I thought it would be fairly easy to get permission to hunt a lease. Guess I was wrong on that one. Won't be the last time I'm wrong about something.
James D. Holbrook
Doc, did you have any luck? Sorry I have been slow to reply to you. I'd love to go as a goodwill ambassador if you can get it done.
Hope your having better luck than I am.
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You might be right on putting this off until next year and hitting the LBL. I would definately want to go there and give it a whirl. I think it's a three or four hour drive from here, so we definately have to do some planning ahead of time. Let's keep it on the back burner and hopefully we'll remember to bring it up around November or December so we can get a hunt organized for February.
I talked with a guy that deer hunts up there and he said that place was loaded with coyotes. Made me start drooling like an idiot.
I'm gonna keep trying to find a place for us here for a hunt, just because I'm a hard headed cuss that doesn't like to take "NO" for an answer.
I thought it would be fairly easy to get permission to hunt a lease. Guess I was wrong on that one. Won't be the last time I'm wrong about something.
James D. Holbrook
Doc, did you have any luck? Sorry I have been slow to reply to you. I'd love to go as a goodwill ambassador if you can get it done.
Hope your having better luck than I am.
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Jimmie in Ky
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When I got on the web 3 years ago I learned I had the biggest library in the world right here at my finger tips.You can get a lot of these links from the usda website on coyote predation. The boys in Utah have done more field work than anyone on coyote's.Theirs is a government funded research station.They are the folks that developed the collars that were tried to stop particular animals from killing livestock. They will tell you up front they have had limited successesz with everything they try. Coyote's learn as fast as they do.
I even know the two coyote experts for the animal rights groups. The one based in Oregon heading up the Predator Defense Istitute is a real pain in the keester. His website is full of misleading info.My favorite is his explanation that coyote's and cats feed mainly on Columbia Whitetailed Deer, ain't no such thing as a columbia whitetail.If someone does a web search using this criteria they will get info on an ever increasing whitetail deer herd. The Columbia BLACKTAILED DEER is however becoming stressed due to the now overpopulated Mountain Lions in Oregon. Add the wolf problems starting up and they will be so depleted deer hunting will soon be extremely limited in Oregon ,which is what they are after anyhow.
WHole lot of neat stuff out there fellows. Jimmie
I even know the two coyote experts for the animal rights groups. The one based in Oregon heading up the Predator Defense Istitute is a real pain in the keester. His website is full of misleading info.My favorite is his explanation that coyote's and cats feed mainly on Columbia Whitetailed Deer, ain't no such thing as a columbia whitetail.If someone does a web search using this criteria they will get info on an ever increasing whitetail deer herd. The Columbia BLACKTAILED DEER is however becoming stressed due to the now overpopulated Mountain Lions in Oregon. Add the wolf problems starting up and they will be so depleted deer hunting will soon be extremely limited in Oregon ,which is what they are after anyhow.
WHole lot of neat stuff out there fellows. Jimmie
Bopeye,
I did not get an opportunity to discuss this last week with my friend. I may get that opportunity within the next few days. He wants to take me out on the lease and ride around on 4 wheelers to show me the lay of the land. I think this might be a good opportunity to lay out an idea to him about the hunting. I will definately keep you informed.
By the way, you may only be a couple of hours from me. Look at the map and find I40 and the Tn. river(West of Nashville) go North 15 miles and there you are.
How late in the year can we hunt these coyotes? Will turkey season interfere? What about after turkey season?
See ya,
Jim
I did not get an opportunity to discuss this last week with my friend. I may get that opportunity within the next few days. He wants to take me out on the lease and ride around on 4 wheelers to show me the lay of the land. I think this might be a good opportunity to lay out an idea to him about the hunting. I will definately keep you informed.
By the way, you may only be a couple of hours from me. Look at the map and find I40 and the Tn. river(West of Nashville) go North 15 miles and there you are.
How late in the year can we hunt these coyotes? Will turkey season interfere? What about after turkey season?
See ya,
Jim
Bopeye
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Sounds good Doc.
I guess I would be just a couple hours from ya. How close are you to Dickson, Tn?
One of our plants is located there.
Isn't LBL a few hours from me though?
How far is it from you?
Coyote hunting is open year round and I plan to hunt them year round, except in the dog days of summer. Fat guys don't like walking around too much in the 100 degree temps.
James D. Holbrook
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Not the victory, but the action. Not the goal, but the game. In the deed
the glory.
I guess I would be just a couple hours from ya. How close are you to Dickson, Tn?
One of our plants is located there.
Isn't LBL a few hours from me though?
How far is it from you?
Coyote hunting is open year round and I plan to hunt them year round, except in the dog days of summer. Fat guys don't like walking around too much in the 100 degree temps.
James D. Holbrook
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the glory.
coyotehunter 1
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Hey bud,
You ain't fat, just fluffy!
I need to talk to your wife about getting you out critter calling more, you know we walk about 5 miles per day and carry a ton of stuff during a hunt. Good exercise program! I weighed in at 380 pounds a few years ago, thanks to coyote hunting I’m down to a mere 250 now. Besides it’s better than Richard Simmons dancing to the oldies!
coyotehunter
You ain't fat, just fluffy!
I need to talk to your wife about getting you out critter calling more, you know we walk about 5 miles per day and carry a ton of stuff during a hunt. Good exercise program! I weighed in at 380 pounds a few years ago, thanks to coyote hunting I’m down to a mere 250 now. Besides it’s better than Richard Simmons dancing to the oldies!
coyotehunter
tennsongdogkiller
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i'm beginning to think i'm the only person in west tennesse that hunts coyotes.
Bopeye,
I am 24 miles directly West of Dickson on Hwy 70. LBL is 1 hour 15 minutes North of me.
Amen on the fat boy problem. I seem to be getting fatter on the inside or it feels that way.LOL
I'll be talking to my friend this weekend. Hope we can discuss coyotes.
By the way, do you guys use 4 wheelers or mostly walk. I realize a vehicle gets you from site to site, but do you prefer walking over riding?
I am 24 miles directly West of Dickson on Hwy 70. LBL is 1 hour 15 minutes North of me.
Amen on the fat boy problem. I seem to be getting fatter on the inside or it feels that way.LOL
I'll be talking to my friend this weekend. Hope we can discuss coyotes.
By the way, do you guys use 4 wheelers or mostly walk. I realize a vehicle gets you from site to site, but do you prefer walking over riding?
Originally posted by Bopeye:
Sounds good Doc.
I guess I would be just a couple hours from ya. How close are you to Dickson, Tn?
One of our plants is located there.
Isn't LBL a few hours from me though?
How far is it from you?
Coyote hunting is open year round and I plan to hunt them year round, except in the dog days of summer. Fat guys don't like walking around too much in the 100 degree temps.
James D. Holbrook
coyotehunter 1
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tennsongdogkiller,
I hate to tell you this but YES you are the only one.
Just pulling your leg a little!
There are coyote hunters all over Tennessee, sometimes it's just hard to hook up with someone that is close enough to you to hunt with on a regular basis. Up until a few years ago I was the only hunter of coyotes of in my area, even today there are only a handfull that are dedicated to the sport.
Only recently have I had the pleasure of
meeting someone who is as crazy about it as I am.
coyotehunter
I hate to tell you this but YES you are the only one.
Just pulling your leg a little!
There are coyote hunters all over Tennessee, sometimes it's just hard to hook up with someone that is close enough to you to hunt with on a regular basis. Up until a few years ago I was the only hunter of coyotes of in my area, even today there are only a handfull that are dedicated to the sport.
Only recently have I had the pleasure of
meeting someone who is as crazy about it as I am.
coyotehunter
Bopeye
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We don't use four wheelers Doc. Ain't really got anything against them, but they seem to be more hassle than they are worth.
We walk in everywhere we go. The landowners seem to appreciate it as well. If a field gets torn up or a gate knocked down, we want them to know it wasn't us.
Walking helps us get in stealthier. It allows us to look for sign. We get a better feel for wind direction and we enjoy the walking and talking together as well. Coyotehunter and I usually formulate our plans in the truck from one stand to the next, but do the finishing touches while walking to our stands. The last couple hundred yards or so we are quiet, mostly using hand signals and just watching the other ones eyes. We are definately starting to form a team. Quite a bit of the time now, we can tell what we are trying to communicate to each other without a word being spoken.
We're still having some tough luck, but I just look at it as paying my dues. When my dues have finally been paid in blood, sweat and tears then I'll know that I am a true coyote hunter.
Each to his own on the fourwheelers though, but I'll just use the legs the good Lord gave me.
Somehow it just makes the hunt more complete.
You know, man in tune with nature and all that stuff.
James D. Holbrook
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Not the victory, but the action. Not the goal, but the game. In the deed
the glory.
We walk in everywhere we go. The landowners seem to appreciate it as well. If a field gets torn up or a gate knocked down, we want them to know it wasn't us.
Walking helps us get in stealthier. It allows us to look for sign. We get a better feel for wind direction and we enjoy the walking and talking together as well. Coyotehunter and I usually formulate our plans in the truck from one stand to the next, but do the finishing touches while walking to our stands. The last couple hundred yards or so we are quiet, mostly using hand signals and just watching the other ones eyes. We are definately starting to form a team. Quite a bit of the time now, we can tell what we are trying to communicate to each other without a word being spoken.
We're still having some tough luck, but I just look at it as paying my dues. When my dues have finally been paid in blood, sweat and tears then I'll know that I am a true coyote hunter.
Each to his own on the fourwheelers though, but I'll just use the legs the good Lord gave me.
Somehow it just makes the hunt more complete.
You know, man in tune with nature and all that stuff.
James D. Holbrook
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the glory.
coyotehunter 1
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Hey Bopeye...
What did that fanning signal we were doing mean?
OH, now I remember, don't eat chili before a hunt!
We got'a work on that one!
Were learning,
coyotehunter
What did that fanning signal we were doing mean?
OH, now I remember, don't eat chili before a hunt!
Were learning,
coyotehunter
10/4 on the chili coyotehunter 1 By the way, I don't have a 4 wheeler, I'm a walker too, just wondering about that. So many guys have them anymore that I feel like a third wheel if I can't keep up. I guess more chili might provide the energy though,LOL ya'll keep up the good work, JUST DON'T LITE A MATCH!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by coyotehunter 1:
Hey Bopeye...
What did that fanning signal we were doing mean?
OH, now I remember, don't eat chili before a hunt!We got'a work on that one!
Were learning,
coyotehunter
coyotehunter 1
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Doc,
I have never hunted with others who use ATV's, there are a hunters in my area who do and that's fine with me if they do. Your statement about keeping up with the 4-wheelers reminds me of a fishing tournament I worked a few years ago here on the Tennessee river. All the guys had bass boats with big outboard motors, at the time of blast off they all took in different directions going many miles up and down river. One of the sponsors was fishing with a new boat and motor, for some reason his motor would not start. Of course he took quite a bit of ribbing about his new $$$$$$ bass rig not starting. The bad thing about it, with no motor he was out of the tournament. At the time, I was working as a part time bass fishing guide for the resort where the tournament was held. After everyone had left to go fishing, I offered him the use of my bass boat but he said that would be against the rules of the tournament. Since he still had a trolling motor, I recommended trying an area within a half mile of the dock, where I had caught some nice bass a few days before, but the others had passed up. He said what the heck, he had eight hours to kill and at least would be fishing. He figured it would take about ten minutes to get out to the submerged island using his trolling motor, then he would fish the area until time to come in. Well after the end of the day everyone weighed in their catch. Waiting until the last person weighed in, he then pulled out his bag of fish.. Well you know what? He won the tournament, biggest bass and most weight. That just goes to show we sometimes pass up good locations, that are close, just to get somewhere that’s further away. That pertains to hunting as well as fishing.
This is a true story,
coyotehunter
I have never hunted with others who use ATV's, there are a hunters in my area who do and that's fine with me if they do. Your statement about keeping up with the 4-wheelers reminds me of a fishing tournament I worked a few years ago here on the Tennessee river. All the guys had bass boats with big outboard motors, at the time of blast off they all took in different directions going many miles up and down river. One of the sponsors was fishing with a new boat and motor, for some reason his motor would not start. Of course he took quite a bit of ribbing about his new $$$$$$ bass rig not starting. The bad thing about it, with no motor he was out of the tournament. At the time, I was working as a part time bass fishing guide for the resort where the tournament was held. After everyone had left to go fishing, I offered him the use of my bass boat but he said that would be against the rules of the tournament. Since he still had a trolling motor, I recommended trying an area within a half mile of the dock, where I had caught some nice bass a few days before, but the others had passed up. He said what the heck, he had eight hours to kill and at least would be fishing. He figured it would take about ten minutes to get out to the submerged island using his trolling motor, then he would fish the area until time to come in. Well after the end of the day everyone weighed in their catch. Waiting until the last person weighed in, he then pulled out his bag of fish.. Well you know what? He won the tournament, biggest bass and most weight. That just goes to show we sometimes pass up good locations, that are close, just to get somewhere that’s further away. That pertains to hunting as well as fishing.
This is a true story,
coyotehunter
coyotehunter 1,
I understand what you mean, long time ago i had a 12 foot jon boat with a paddle down where I lived on the lake and I would go out in the evening after work and catch fish. Then I got smart, bought a bass boat, flew up and down the river and caught 1/4 as many fish. sometimes we just need to use what we got and realize we are probably doing better than the technowizards with the longest, fastest, pretiest,loudest,latest and greatest. Ain't life a trip? LOL
Jim
Dang, almost forgot Bopeye, I had the discussion with my friend about the lease. He sounded very positive about the idea. He is going to bring it up to the board and let me know. It could be after turkey season though. Would this be a workable time. I also told him we would probably keep it a small group to begin with to show the membership that we would be most respectful of the land, etc. Small group meant 6-8 people.
He is going to get back with me soon. I'll keep ya'll informed.
Jim
I understand what you mean, long time ago i had a 12 foot jon boat with a paddle down where I lived on the lake and I would go out in the evening after work and catch fish. Then I got smart, bought a bass boat, flew up and down the river and caught 1/4 as many fish. sometimes we just need to use what we got and realize we are probably doing better than the technowizards with the longest, fastest, pretiest,loudest,latest and greatest. Ain't life a trip? LOL
Jim
Dang, almost forgot Bopeye, I had the discussion with my friend about the lease. He sounded very positive about the idea. He is going to bring it up to the board and let me know. It could be after turkey season though. Would this be a workable time. I also told him we would probably keep it a small group to begin with to show the membership that we would be most respectful of the land, etc. Small group meant 6-8 people.
He is going to get back with me soon. I'll keep ya'll informed.
Jim