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Ward H.

Ward H.

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My buddy is a Professional hunter in Africa. He runs a guide service and all that. He SWEARS that jack russle terriers are the most amazing hunting dogs and its all he uses. They use them to bay up everything they hunt to give the hunter more time to shoot. I have heard of working terriers killing rats, badgers, etc, but anyone try them on anything bigger?
 
my step-brother said he uses jagd-jack crosses on hogs, said the jagd were a ball of fire and the jack settled em down so they can be handled better, same size as a jack though. they are just for baying [beeep] he has dogos to catch with.

father in law used to run a one with his coon hounds said he would watch where the coon fell out of the tree and lead the hounds to em faster, it was also his fav dog went everywhere with him. heart actually exploded when he took off after a coon, dog gave it all for the hunt.

i would say i donno if a jack can stand toe to toe but they can defiantly be trained to bay anything and decoy yotes if they are fast enough to get away and stay out of a scrap, some other hounds-men can probably give you a better idea but i thought id start it off
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I have had 2 JRT's that I have hunted with. They were very differnt dogs (I hunt deer with them)

1 was very calm at home and would hang out with the family. Never showed aggression towards other dogs or cats in the neighborhood, and was a real smart hunting dog. He would keep his distance and bay up like a cowdog. Easiest training dog I have ever seen. Literally took about 4 hours to housetrain him, and you could teach him any trick or any type of obedience within a matter of hours.

The other was real gritty and fearless. I wouldn't let him get around kids or other dogs without me being there, as he was very unpredictable. Loved to run down neighborhood cats, and if he caught them, I was digging a hole in the backyard at midnight. Good hunting dog, but I couldn't break him of hogs.

I think with JRT's its a crapshoot. You can get a very smart and tough little dog, or you can get a devil dog that is not alot of fun to have as a pet.
 
I've heard the very same thing about the JRTs. I think the bloodlines in Africa and Argentina are different than their American cousins. Would be nice if you could get your hands on a pup from Africa.

Also, I tried calling you the other day Ward. Need your new number. That DVD/Call package finally came back to me....6 months later! Crazy postal service.
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Give me a holler.

Tony
 
There are 2 types of Jack Russell Terriers in the US. The original Jack Russell, which is a short, stocky, tenacious dog. the 2nd the Parson Jack Russell, which is the standard AKC version of today. The AKC doesn't recognise the Jack Russell. the Parsons are taller, narrower, and not very tough. AKC has done this quite a bit with several hunting breeds. I persnally don't think a 20 or 25lb. dog standing 18 ins. tops is going to make it against a coyote. Little dogs look real fast running in the yard, but out in the open, trying to out run a coyote, let alone try to stand up to one. I think they would end up as dinner, and this would not be very pleasnt. I think JRTS are probably one of the breeds that are already on the "Coyote's Menu".
 
i know afew guys that use them and get along good, one the the best i know of is a 25 pd half catahoula, half jack russell, he stands 16 inches and does his job great, his dad was full jrt and was a super decoy dog and was about the same hieght just not as stocky, shoot the dog i use is no more then 18 inches tall, dont get hung up on a dog has to be able to whip a coyote, a small dog can make a really good decoy dog, if they are to small to take care of their self then work them short range
 
I had some good JRT and some not as good. Gotta say they make me smile most times. If you got one that sure nuff wants to go hunt big, they can be a pain in the azz trying to find them when they go down and bay up inside a hole somewhere.

Here is one Bean and Tater decoyed in back in 2008.

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Stay after them
Kelly
 
My buddy. Same guy from Africa. Comes to the US every year to market his business At the SCI, Dallas and Houston safari club shows. He always stays at my house and we do some hunting. Since an Africa trip isn't exactly in my budget he said next year he is coming back with a fully trained African JRT for me. If it works out, I'll get a Couple females the next year and get an African bloodline kennel going.

He said he and people in his line of work buy finished lion hounds all the time and import them from the US to africa to hunt leopards. Crazy!

He also said that importing a dog TO the states is totally do-able with all the right paper work/a two week quarantine.

Tony! I'll call you later. Your LSB and I had a HECK of an afternoon, you'll be proud of the call, not so much the caller.
 
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Cat Daddy -

Anyway you can post some more pics of those [beeep] bound varmit maulers? Trying to convince people I am not 100% off the rez, just a little. Also, I am only two hours from you, we should get together and pound some pelts!


thank you sir

or email them if its easier
wardhegeler@gmail.com
 
ward h, out of curiousity what is your plans for the african jrt? can you explain the difference between the african and american terriers. tony feel free to chime in with your knowledge of the breed. thanks in advance.

bigtrucker,a 18 inch 25 lb jrt is a WHOPPER!
 
I plan on:
1) accepting a gift from someone as a token of their appreciation
2) having a buddy to come with me in the woods,
3) maybe use him to decoy, bay up pigs or just reap havoc on the small game populous of my local woods
4) Learn as I go.


I have no idea. I have heard from lots of people that they are different. Thats why I am asking.
 
sounds like you have a plan, good luck with the dog. maybe tony can still enlighten us with the difference.i dont believe there is a american or african terrier they orginated in the U.K to bolt fox that the hounds ran to ground.different continents,different uses... as far as i know the only things americans dreamed up is a rat terrier and a mountain fiest but i could be wrong.
 
There's no enlightening to happen. I stated that "I think there is a difference", based on all the clients that have hunted with me, that have been to Africa and Argentina. They say that those JRTs there are absolute amazing hunting dogs and are totally different than what is found here in the US. Possibly even a bit taller. I'm just repeating what I've heard, as I haven't hunted in either of those countries, yet.

Tony
 
Tony Tebbe is not telling the truth. When he was a young Zulu Warrior in his native Africa, he hunted with several Jack Russell Terrorist. When the drought hit in the early 80's he was forced to eat his dogs and just doesn't like to talk about it. True Story. If you don't believe me as Jesse Lackey!

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I've seen several african JRTs work and they are not too different than the American bred ones I've seen work. The only difference was the work. Americans work more ground and furbearers and the guys who I hunted with in Africa used them for baying big game and blood trailing.

The true difference in almost all terriers is the ones that come from working and hunting homes and the ones that are from pet and show homes. World of difference between them.

I prefer Jagds for several reasons( they are not for everyone) and if I couldn't get them or decided to stop freecasting and denning terriers, I would go with a Patterdale for a straight house/brushpile/hole dog.

There are a ton of guys who have quality working terriers here in the good ol' USA but most don't speak out and prefer to go about the sport without all the fanfare or tell all posts.

I hope terriers never go the way that decoy dogs have recently gone. Popularity is not always a good thing.

Tim
 
well said Tim, there is good and bad in every breed of terrier,trapper2 and cat daddy cold both made excellent and honest posts. if i was going to try my hand at decoying coyotes a patterdale would be my last pick.
 
Originally Posted By: emeraldterriers1...as far as i know the only things americans dreamed up is a rat terrier and a mountain fiest but i could be wrong.

I think there are about 50 American Breeds, few of the more famous ones...

Boston Terrier
Malamute
Alsatian
American Foxhound
Anything coonhound like the...
Black and Tan Coonhound
Blue Tick Coonhound
Redbone Coonhound
Chesapeake Bay Retriever
A couple of Spaniel variaties
A couple of Bulldog varieties
A few Cur varieties
A few terrier varieties

But that's just off the top of my head.
 
I am a JRT lover, but that being said, the problem with american jrt's is just like everything else they have been americanized. Bread to be pets by people who shouldnt be breading dogs because they dont know what they are doing.

People see a jrt, and think $$$$$$$$$$$. They sell fast, and are not cheap. People think they make great house dogs, and since you can find some version of a jrt on just about any street corner, every joe that decids to get one, then sees how fast the pups sell and how much they sell for, well they decide they want a piece of the pie and start breeding them selfs.

You dont need to go to africa to get a good jrt. I have friends in africa who know guys right here in the states who are running the exact same bloodlines as the guys in Africa.

But getting your hands on one is the tough part. The guys who still have the good old jrt's are trying to preserve what they have, and usually wont sell to someone unless they know them, and know it is going to be working and hunting, not a house dog. Its really no different than any other working terrier breed, the guys who raise solid working dogs, and use them dont list them for sale, or advertise, they send them to people that will hunt them, and the average guy never even knows they had pups on the market.
 
Originally Posted By: Jesse lackey

But getting your hands on one is the tough part. The guys who still have the good old jrt's are trying to preserve what they have, and usually wont sell to someone unless they know them, and know it is going to be working and hunting, not a house dog. Its really no different than any other working terrier breed, the guys who raise solid working dogs, and use them dont list them for sale, or advertise, they send them to people that will hunt them, and the average guy never even knows they had pups on the market.

very good point jesse, most "hunting terriers" are gifted within people who still use and hunt them.
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Originally Posted By: yruizOriginally Posted By: emeraldterriers1...as far as i know the only things americans dreamed up is a rat terrier and a mountain fiest but i could be wrong.

I think there are about 50 American Breeds, few of the more famous ones...

Boston Terrier
Malamute
Alsatian
American Foxhound
Anything coonhound like the...
Black and Tan Coonhound
Blue Tick Coonhound
Redbone Coonhound
Chesapeake Bay Retriever
A couple of Spaniel variaties
A couple of Bulldog varieties
A few Cur varieties
A few terrier varieties

But that's just off the top of my head.

lol then cover that empty thing up
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your"american foxhound" was brought to america in 1650 by the english...they are a desendant
blk/tan coonhounds,decendants from bloodhound/talbot hound crosses...in the late 11th century (england)
chesapeake bay retriever while orginated in this country he came from stock destined to sail from england
"curs" are from celtic influence, they contributed the most to the delvolement and spread of the cur...
i'm not looking up the rest... thank the boys on the other side of the pond for most of our hunting stock.
 


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