The coming famine

mspingy

mspingy

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Check out this web site concerning the coming food shortage.

http://www.efoodsdirect.com/index.html

Check out some of the Radio broadcasts.

Guns will be of no use if you run out of food.

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We have the exact opposite of the Joseph of Egypt situation.
Americans will be like Joseph's family, starving, only with no money (of value) and no place in the world to buy food even with gold.

Very shortly the people who will be considered wealthy beyond imagination will not be those in mansions with basement vaults full of gold and guns. Instead it will be the relatively few, many of whom at first said, "There is no way I can accumulate even a month's worth of food let alone several years", who actually stored food.

Listen to the message, "Never in America".

]http://www.efoodsdirect.com/media.html?p=1&e=50]

 
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Guns will be of no use if you run out of food.




Try killing a deer, or even a squirrel with a spork! Guns = Food. I believe in food storage, but to take advise from someone trying to sell you something is not always wise. If things get to the point where you need 1-3 yrs worth of food, boxes of dehydrated crap aren't going to cut it....it's time to start growing and hunting for your food. Stock up on natural grains, things that are used in making food. Buy seeds to grow your own grains, fruits, and veggies. Dehydrated dinners for 3 years in a row would be enough reason for me to stick a spork in my head!
 
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While I believe we could be in for some rough times (comparatively) in the future, I refuse to subscribe to the "End of the World" fears that are usually generated by those wanting to sell their wares...

That includes Al Gore and his Carbon Footprint Credits, most Conspiracy Theorists, etc...

I believe in having a reasonable amount of "emergency supplies" on hand, as well as cash, for short term emergencies that are more likely the result of natural disasters, rather than those caused by politicians or merchants...

My grandfather raised a family of seven children through the depression and 'dust bowl' years and he was the primary male figure in my upbringing... He taught me ways to survive when most every thing is gone. He also taught me not to fall into a panic mode by what others are saying...

If, or when, it's going to happen, it will happen so fast that you won't recognize it's coming...The "big boy" politicians will keep that news down played to keep down the "panic" factor..But living in fear is just as bad as getting caught with your pants down...
 
I agree with everything that you said but the Carbon Footprint comment. It is a real thing! To say that the 1,000% increase in world population in the past 15 year and the incoming 5,000% increase in population to happen over the next decade has no effect on the quickening of climate change is... well just plain ignorant!!!
Don't get me wrong I agree with everything else you said 110% but pawning the climate change off as a conspiracy theory... come on; travel the world a little. Ask tribal elders of different regions what has changed? Across the board you will see a trend of change and not for the better.
FYI~ Check out who owns the majority of our agriculture since it is no longer private... they are publicly traded commodities owned for the most part by Asian countries.
 
To call a disbelief in man made global warming ignorant is akin to the mocking of people who believed the world was not flat 400 years ago. Do some research. Al Gore is being sued by very credible climatologists because "facts" he used were outright lies. Global temperature change over the past 10 years has been 0, and the 1 degree F that we have gained over the last 50 years was lost in the last two years. Many scientist are now talking about a coming global cooling because of a reduction in solar activity, which has been proven to have an effect on global climates. To try and "blame" the climate on humans and CO2 is putting the cart before the horse. Try to stop climate change is just ridiculous. We live in a dynamic world, to think that we are the reason for change after 4 billion years of continual climate change is just plain, well, ignorant.
 
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I agree with everything that you said but the Carbon Footprint comment. It is a real thing! To say that the 1,000% increase in world population in the past 15 year and the incoming 5,000% increase in population to happen over the next decade has no effect on the quickening of climate change is... well just plain ignorant!!!
Don't get me wrong I agree with everything else you said 110% but pawning the climate change off as a conspiracy theory... come on; travel the world a little. Ask tribal elders of different regions what has changed? Across the board you will see a trend of change and not for the better.
FYI~ Check out who owns the majority of our agriculture since it is no longer private... they are publicly traded commodities owned for the most part by Asian countries.




Anyone who believes that the man made climate change hype is anything other than a Marxist scheme to redistribute wealth has been smokin' something "green".
 
To Timberbeast7 & Redeyeddawg: I did not say anything to support Al Gore's last claim to fame the, "Inconvenient Truth!" If you read my post I did say the carbon footprint is affected by the quickened increase in population. Which if you do your recommended research you will find this is a known fact among all climatologists that is not disputed. I never said that the blame sully lies with man made carbon I only said that it is ignorant to think that "human caused" carbon, cfc, and ag. based methane and other green house gases have no effect on climate change! There are many naturally occurring contributing factors as well, such as volcanos and forest fires to name a couple.
The fact is climate change happens! Global Warming and Global Cooling happens naturally on a cyclical time line; you would be hard pressed to find anyone in the scientific field of climatology to say otherwise.
 
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The fact is climate change happens! Global Warming and Global Cooling happens naturally on a cyclical time line; you would be hard pressed to find anyone in the scientific field of climatology to say otherwise.



Amen! But is there "proof" that man has contributed to the climate change? It's easy to just say it does and that's it but is there scientific data that shows that pollution can contribute to climate change.
 
hey mspingy,
Why is it that almost all of your posts have been about "the end of the World" or "the government is conspiring against us"...?
You need to get some fresh air my friend. I'm sure your blood pressure is effecting the climate more than pollution... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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this is a known fact among all climatologists that is not disputed.




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There are many naturally occurring contributing factors as well, such as volcanos and forest fires to name a couple.



Every time I hear "known facts" and "no disputes" I get a little suspicious. With all these other factors you mention how can man's contribution be singled out. When Mt. St. Helens erupted, it put more CO2 in the atmosphere in one day than man supposedly has since the industrial revolution. You say climate change is natural and cyclical (with which I agree) but in your first post you said you see a "trend of change and not for the better". You are contradicting yourself, unless you see the natural cycles as bad.
 
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Ask tribal elders of different regions what has changed?




If this is what you consider research, I can see why you have a few misconceptions. Do you also think the Great White Buffalo will save us from global warming? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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If you read my post I did say the carbon footprint is "AFFECTED" by the quickened increase in population... I never said that the blame sully lies with man made carbon I only said that it is ignorant to think that "human caused" carbon, cfc, and ag. based methane and other green house gases have no effect on climate change! There are many naturally occurring contributing factors as well, such as volcanos and forest fires to name a couple.
The fact is climate change happens! Global Warming and Global Cooling happens naturally on a cyclical time line; you would be hard pressed to find anyone in the scientific field of climatology to say otherwise.



I am really starting to wonder if you passed basic reading comprehension. So, I reposted my last bit. I went ahead and put the word affected in caps for you. Hopefully you will understand it better this time. Read it slower and you will see phrases like, the blame does NOT lie sully with human caused contributers, and ~ this is a natural occurring process of warming and cooling.
As to your last little spat about the great white buffalo saving all of humanity really gleans your limited perspective on the respectful term of "elder." Which is NOT limited to the plains based Native Americans who believed in what you mockingly mentioned but rather to those few who have lived a long life of learning from their surrounding and are found in every town, city, race, and corner of the world.
To another comment made that said I contradicted myself by saying that this is a natural process and the change is for the worse. First of all I don't see how this could be construed as a contradiction but any who it is quite simple to explain. Is farting natural? Yes, but surely don't want it to happen when I am having a nice dinner with my lady. the same is true of all this... Global Warming and Cooling are natural. But that does not mean I want the next Ice age to start in my lifetime... So, ya I would call it bad.
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Ted Turner says we are going to become cannibals within afew years.



That guy has alot of screws loose in his brain (?)...
 
You edited your post when you re-posted it. You removed you "undisputed facts". You have no proof and cannot come up with any proof that humans are having any impact on the climate.

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rather to those few who have lived a long life of learning from their surrounding and are found in every town, city, race, and corner of the world.



And to base any assumptions on what ANYBODY has seen in one lifetime or ten lifetimes is ridiculous. That span of time is but a blip and no reliable results on climate (not temperature) change can be gleaned in that span of time. You also reveal your ineptness at understanding the issue with the farting statement. Can you stop that fart from squeaking out...yes. Can you stop, start, or reverse a global and natural cycle....??? Thinking that humans can control the climate in any way, shape, or form is a pretty bold assumption.

As far as my reading comprehension, it is very good, hence the reason I am detecting contradictions and back-peddling in your statements. Oh yeah, thanks for the P.C. lesson, that is one class I did skip. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif I have a new found respect for the great white buffalo.

Show me proof that humans are having an effect on the climate.
 
Rogue, if you believe in the "carbon footprint" clap trap just buy some offsets to assuage your guilt for living on the Earth. Pick me up a couple- the check's in the mail. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Wow you guys are way off base here. Where to even start? Aside from the fact that this thread has drifted off of the original topic of food shortage we are now starting a pissing match of who knows what. We are both starting to get pointlessly off topic.
My point was simple and if I came off as a leftist greeny at some point or a P.C. copper I do redirect.
I do still make the claim that if anyone thinks that humans have no effect on the climate then you are ignorant or inept. One only needs to look at any large city, major agricultural area, or wetlands to see that this is simply not so!
How is smog not an effect.
How is soil erosion not an effect.
How is water pollution not an effect.
Those are three obvious ones for ya. There are many many more.
As to the fart analogy it was a simple one with obvious faults but it should have made simple sense none the less. In a very direct way you even proved it to be true. But to lengthen its point you are wrong to say that you can stop a fart from happening. It will happen you can surely delay it but it will happen sooner than later. The same is true of climate change it will happen sooner than later but we can certainly do our part to plan ahead and make a slower onset.
If you want or need a clearer analogy just open any scientific journal dealing with earth science to figure it out.
As to the comment of elders they do not speak in only terms of only their life time at least non that I have talked. They refer to generations of knowledge passed down over centuries of first hand experiences. But thanks for pointing out the obvious.
I never said that we are the cause of Global Warming or cooling. I simply said that "I" think we have an affect on it. That is it...
 
My comment about Al Gore was not to challenge or accept a position on the climate, only the hypocrisy of the fact that he lives one way, espouses another, and winds up making money from running the company/foundation that collects the fees for the carbon credits.... I didn't mean to start a sidetrack to the original intent of the thread...

It just seems like every time there is a "Sky is Falling" scenario, in the background, there is someone out to make a buck out of it...
 
As an aside...I heard that the very well respected meterologist who actually founded the Weather Channel is trying to sue ALGORE to hash out this issue once and for all. He is sick of the emotional hysteria and ALGORE's lies.

Here's the 411: http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080303175301.aspx

BTW, I was in 10th grade at home outside of Seattle, WA on May 18, 1980 when Mt St Helens blew up. I was at a safe distance, but the ash cloud--even though we only caught an edge of it--was horrifying. Acts of God like that really put things into perspective. My cousin was at WSU over in Pullman and they had tons of ash dump on them--they had to wear those medical masks like you'd wear for dust when using your table saw. There were feet of that stuff. Even 2, 3, 4 years later I'd go over by Moses Lake to coyote hunt and ash was still everywhere (after a slight rain it made great tracks, though).

Also, on the trees that 'breath' the CO2 and recycle it into oxygen--despite all the propaganda aimed at scaring little kids, we've got more trees now than ever in history! We plant them as a commercial crop (bless capitalism) and we have gotten an incredible handle on forest fires. In the Indian days up until the WWII-era fires caused by lightning or something would just burn a few million acres until they burned themselves out. Plus the Indians in the NW would set intentional forest fires to open areas up to sunlight so as to allow browse, for deer and elk, to grow in. We also have landscaping and proper hygiene now in our cities and people don't heat their homes with coal and wood like they did in the 19th century.
 
Rogue Bow, you mention a 1000% increase in population in the last 15 years??????? That is a ten-times increase!!!!! Somehow I seemed to have missed that, did China go to 10 billion people while I wasn't looking? You might want to check your math. Your source for this info is what?

And "climate" is not the same as "environment". "Climate" means specifically weather. You reference smog, water pollution, and soil erosion above, but only smog goes up into the air where it may or may not have some effect on the atmosphere and hence the weather (ozone depletion, etc.). Soil erosion and water pollution, to the best of my knowledge, have nothing to do with "weather" (climate). Tighten up on your word usage, this is probably why you are getting challenged so much on what you are saying.
 
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Rogue Bow, you mention a 1000% increase in population in the last 15 years??????? That is a ten-times increase!!!!! Somehow I seemed to have missed that, did China go to 10 billion people while I wasn't looking? You might want to check your math. Your source for this info is what?

And "climate" is not the same as "environment". "Climate" means specifically weather. You reference smog, water pollution, and soil erosion above, but only smog goes up into the air where it may or may not have some effect on the atmosphere and hence the weather (ozone depletion, etc.). Soil erosion and water pollution, to the best of my knowledge, have nothing to do with "weather" (climate). Tighten up on your word usage, this is probably why you are getting challenged so much on what you are saying.



Or he's Al Gore's nephew. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
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