The: Ukraine thread, what you haven't been told.

[steve garrett]

In keeping with the Iran thread, I thought we needed one on ukraine. First some history. Ukraine has 2 ethnic peoples. Western and Eastern. The eastern Ukrainians are ethnic Russians and want to and mostly speak russian. The western ukrainians are more european. So much so that western urkaine fought for the Nazis and fought against The russians and their own countrymen in the east. The division and hate runs deep and runs for the better part of a century at least. The western ukrainians have persecuted the eastern ethnic russian population for decades. Last year I spoke to a women from the donbas on a job I was doing. She left in the early 90s. She told me Ukraine would send bus loads of soldiers from the western part of the country. They would threaten people and tell them to stop speaking Russian, and ruff up the men they saw that weren't towing the line. She told me she was spit on, She told me women who weren't ethnic Russian would tell her to her face that they wished she and her baby were in a pool of blood. I asked if these guys were Azov and she said YES. She also considered them Nazis. this was here experience from 1993. so that is the back story,

For years our CIA has meddled in the politics of Ukraine. Victoria Nuland (who also happens to be jewish, LOL) is recorded discussing the CIA's pick for the next president of Ukraine. We basically installed our leader there under what they call color revolutions. This done by inciting and population and empowering opposition groups to stir up a shit storm and effect the outcome that the CIA wants. Because after all if there isn't shit storms to incite, the CIA wouldn't have anything to do and wouldn't be needed for that matter. Its job security to do this sort of stuff. It was also a way to poke and prode Putin and keep the narrative of Putin USSR, bring back the soviet union narrative, putin bad, etc.

Ukraine had been in a civil war with its eastern ethnic russian population on and off for decades. Incited and flamed by our eternal hate of all things Putin and entrenched benefactors of the eternal hate in our own government. YES people in the government benefit and indeed have jobs because of these shit storms we incite. Putin got to the point he had enough and decided to invade to protect the ethnic russian population that in his mind was being persecuted. In my view contrary to the narrative you hear. Putin has no desire to control all of Ukraine. If he did why hasn't he done so? Putins management of the war has actually been pretty measured. People have mistaken a measured approach to weakness. I think that is folly. We have to understand our leaders aren't the smartest wisest people in the room. I am sorry to crush the American ego by saying that. Putin is a pragmatic guy, in most cases our people are dumbasses. This isn't 1950's american leadership and values we are spreading to the world.

So why does our country continue to fund a hopeless war? a war that was hopeless from the beginning, a war that the outcome was always certain before it even started? Think of it as one big giant money laundering operation. When Ukraine gets money from us. Its not money in the sense of a check. Its money to purchase military equipment and other products from US companies. These companies then make sure and keep the campaign donations flowing. They also have board positions they offer to these politicians after they leave office. Lets say the board position pays several million a year and you don't really do anything for it. This is just a couple ways the grift and graft flows out of one pocket and into another. There are also other business connections related to where and how this money is used that finds its way back to family members of politicians and staffers who benefit from it. Simply put the term thrown around for all this is "deep state" which I believe is a thing. What I don't believe is there is some huge coordination and conspiracy with it. I believe it just does what it does based on the conditions that people can get away with, AND the people involved likely think their motives are benevolent. They don't see themselves as corrupt. Instead they see themselves as noble people. Its seems coordinated because patterns of how its done are mostly the same. Its would seem it would have to be coordinated, but it doesn't need to be, its simply the way washington works based on the conditions they can use for their benefit. It doesn't need a grand conspiracy or central control.

So whats this have in common with Iran. We thought we would crush Russia with sanctions and ruin their economy. Instead the opposite has happened. they are a stronger country now than before the invasion. They have cultivated their home grown economy and manufacturing base because of the sanctions and have that all in house. Think of it like going to ohio or michigan, You see factories with weeds growing up through them. You see rusty windows and what was once American manufacturing might. Think of those factories running, and not closed. That is Russia because they had to do it to support their own economy. Sanctions have the opposite effect and backfired, they are only a temporary solution and pain. Long term they backfire. Russia has an abundance of resources, They have food, and energy, All it does is make those goods cheaper for their own residents and insulated from market forces of the world. Its like buying gas in Iran for 35 cents a gallon. if the fuel could be sold on the open market, it would cause a massive price shock for the native residents. Remember we are run by dumb shits!!!

 

[Foxpro.223]

I think if Russia and China ever had anything right, it is by not allowing in the cultural marxists and their NGO's in to run wild, to impose their color revolution BS i.e. globalhomo while also inviting in the radical islamics to run wild, like what they're doing in the NATO countries and trying to do here at home.

I guess it can be argued they are already communist countires.

NATO and the UN are cancers on the world, but more importantly to the American taxpayers. IMO

 

[Saylor]

In keeping with the Iran thread, I thought we needed one on ukraine. First some history. Ukraine has 2 ethnic peoples. Western and Eastern. The eastern Ukrainians are ethnic Russians and want to and mostly speak russian. The western ukrainians are more european. So much so that western urkaine fought for the Nazis and fought against The russians and their own countrymen in the east. The division and hate runs deep and runs for the better part of a century at least. The western ukrainians have persecuted the eastern ethnic russian population for decades. Last year I spoke to a women from the donbas on a job I was doing. She left in the early 90s. She told me Ukraine would send bus loads of soldiers from the western part of the country. They would threaten people and tell them to stop speaking Russian, and ruff up the men they saw that weren't towing the line. She told me she was spit on, She told me women who weren't ethnic Russian would tell her to her face that they wished she and her baby were in a pool of blood. I asked if these guys were Azov and she said YES. She also considered them Nazis. this was here experience from 1993. so that is the back story,

For years our CIA has meddled in the politics of Ukraine. Victoria Nuland (who also happens to be jewish, LOL) is recorded discussing the CIA's pick for the next president of Ukraine. We basically installed our leader there under what they call color revolutions. This done by inciting and population and empowering opposition groups to stir up a shit storm and effect the outcome that the CIA wants. Because after all if there isn't shit storms to incite, the CIA wouldn't have anything to do and wouldn't be needed for that matter. Its job security to do this sort of stuff. It was also a way to poke and prode Putin and keep the narrative of Putin USSR, bring back the soviet union narrative, putin bad, etc.

Ukraine had been in a civil war with its eastern ethnic russian population on and off for decades. Incited and flamed by our eternal hate of all things Putin and entrenched benefactors of the eternal hate in our own government. YES people in the government benefit and indeed have jobs because of these shit storms we incite. Putin got to the point he had enough and decided to invade to protect the ethnic russian population that in his mind was being persecuted. In my view contrary to the narrative you hear. Putin has no desire to control all of Ukraine. If he did why hasn't he done so? Putins management of the war has actually been pretty measured. People have mistaken a measured approach to weakness. I think that is folly. We have to understand our leaders aren't the smartest wisest people in the room. I am sorry to crush the American ego by saying that. Putin is a pragmatic guy, in most cases our people are dumbasses. This isn't 1950's american leadership and values we are spreading to the world.

So why does our country continue to fund a hopeless war? a war that was hopeless from the beginning, a war that the outcome was always certain before it even started? Think of it as one big giant money laundering operation. When Ukraine gets money from us. Its not money in the sense of a check. Its money to purchase military equipment and other products from US companies. These companies then make sure and keep the campaign donations flowing. They also have board positions they offer to these politicians after they leave office. Lets say the board position pays several million a year and you don't really do anything for it. This is just a couple ways the grift and graft flows out of one pocket and into another. There are also other business connections related to where and how this money is used that finds its way back to family members of politicians and staffers who benefit from it. Simply put the term thrown around for all this is "deep state" which I believe is a thing. What I don't believe is there is some huge coordination and conspiracy with it. I believe it just does what it does based on the conditions that people can get away with, AND the people involved likely think their motives are benevolent. They don't see themselves as corrupt. Instead they see themselves as noble people. Its seems coordinated because patterns of how its done are mostly the same. Its would seem it would have to be coordinated, but it doesn't need to be, its simply the way washington works based on the conditions they can use for their benefit. It doesn't need a grand conspiracy or central control.

So whats this have in common with Iran. We thought we would crush Russia with sanctions and ruin their economy. Instead the opposite has happened. they are a stronger country now than before the invasion. They have cultivated their home grown economy and manufacturing base because of the sanctions and have that all in house. Think of it like going to ohio or michigan, You see factories with weeds growing up through them. You see rusty windows and what was once American manufacturing might. Think of those factories running, and not closed. That is Russia because they had to do it to support their own economy. Sanctions have the opposite effect and backfired, they are only a temporary solution and pain. Long term they backfire. Russia has an abundance of resources, They have food, and energy, All it does is make those goods cheaper for their own residents and insulated from market forces of the world. Its like buying gas in Iran for 35 cents a gallon. if the fuel could be sold on the open market, it would cause a massive price shock for the native residents. Remember we are run by dumb shits!!!

Putin and the hardliners in the Kremlin want to reestablish the old Soviet Union. Ukraine was once part of the Soviet Union.

50+ years ago, KGB Soviet defectors, Golitsyn, Lunev, Tretyakov, Suvorov warned us of all of this. The fall of the Soviet Union was planned, a deception, and totally fooled the West. The Cold War never ended. The Communist regimes of Russia and China never stopped building up their military or their nuclear weapons. We, on the other hand, have simply trusted these murderous thugs to abide by our worthless treaties to disarm, and we do what? We have depleted our own arsenals right here in the US.
Right now, the Russians are building up on NATOs borders, Poland, the Baltic States. There’s a few out there that are reporting this and have satellite imagery to prove it. You’ll never hear the leftist media or the right wing media speak about that.

Russia was the one who started this whole thing back in 2014 with its annexation of Crimea and its encouragement of separatist movements in the Donbass region. When there was little pushback from the international community, Russia decided to up the ante with starting its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

 

[Infidel 762]

Putin got to the point he had enough and decided to invade to protect the ethnic russian population that in his mind was being persecuted. In my view contrary to the narrative you hear. Putin has no desire to control all of Ukraine. If he did why hasn't he done so? Putins management of the war has actually been pretty measured. People have mistaken a measured approach to weakness. I think that is folly. We have to understand our leaders aren't the smartest wisest people in the room. I am sorry to crush the American ego by saying that. Putin is a pragmatic guy, in most cases our people are dumbasses. This isn't 1950's american leadership and values we are spreading to the world.

In my view, you're overlooking how Russia planned the invasion. The opening phase looked much more like the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 than a slow, measured operation. Russian airborne forces tried to seize Hostomel Airport outside Kyiv while armored columns drove south from Belarus toward the capital. To me, that looks like an attempt to rapidly decapitate the government, seize the Capitol, not just hold territory in the east.

The difference wasn’t restraint—it was logistics and resistance. The U.S. spent months building an enormous logistical network before racing to Baghdad. Fuel, ammunition, maintenance, air superiority, and supply lines kept American forces moving. Russia and the world expected Kyiv to fall within days, but they underestimated Ukraine’s will and capabilities to fight. Russian forces outran their supply lines. Fuel shortages, maintenance issues, traffic jams, destroyed bridges, and ambushes all turned that convoy north of Kyiv into something that couldn’t really function as an offensive push anymore.

If the original goal had only been protecting Russian-speaking areas in the east, it’s hard for me to square that with simultaneous pushes toward Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson, and the airborne assault at Hostomel. Those moves look more like an attempt to decapitate the government and seize the Capital, not a slow territorial grind.

From my perspective, if the plan had been to fight this the way they did in Chechnya—where the capital, Grozny, was basically leveled under sustained artillery and airpower—the opening stages around Kyiv would’ve looked very different. Instead of a fast push on the Capital and an attempt to grab the airport, you’d expect a long-range siege approach from the start. That’s part of why I think the original plan wasn’t built around a drawn-out war.

Whether Russia’s stated reasoning was protecting ethnic Russians or taking the whole country, I don’t know. But the way the war started seemed to me like they were hoping for a quick win, and when that didn’t happen, it became a more drawn-out war of attrition than they intended.

 

[Infidel 762]

I remember a lot of comparisons being made between the military strength of the two before the invasion. Here’s a video that was released pre-war. At the time, it really looked like Ukraine wouldn’t stand much of a chance against Russia.

But the one thing this kind of analysis didn’t account for was drones.

 

[Infidel 762]

Old comparisons of military strength—whether Russia vs Ukraine or the U.S. vs Iran—don’t hold up the same way anymore. Cheap drones change the entire equation, and a lot of what used to define “overwhelming force” doesn’t tell the full story now.

 

[steve garrett]

In my view, you're overlooking how Russia planned the invasion. The opening phase looked much more like the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 than a slow, measured operation. Russian airborne forces tried to seize Hostomel Airport outside Kyiv while armored columns drove south from Belarus toward the capital. To me, that looks like an attempt to rapidly decapitate the government, seize the Capitol, not just hold territory in the east.

The difference wasn’t restraint—it was logistics and resistance. The U.S. spent months building an enormous logistical network before racing to Baghdad. Fuel, ammunition, maintenance, air superiority, and supply lines kept American forces moving. Russia and the world expected Kyiv to fall within days, but they underestimated Ukraine’s will and capabilities to fight. Russian forces outran their supply lines. Fuel shortages, maintenance issues, traffic jams, destroyed bridges, and ambushes all turned that convoy north of Kyiv into something that couldn’t really function as an offensive push anymore.

If the original goal had only been protecting Russian-speaking areas in the east, it’s hard for me to square that with simultaneous pushes toward Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson, and the airborne assault at Hostomel. Those moves look more like an attempt to decapitate the government and seize the Capital, not a slow territorial grind.

From my perspective, if the plan had been to fight this the way they did in Chechnya—where the capital, Grozny, was basically leveled under sustained artillery and airpower—the opening stages around Kyiv would’ve looked very different. Instead of a fast push on the Capital and an attempt to grab the airport, you’d expect a long-range siege approach from the start. That’s part of why I think the original plan wasn’t built around a drawn-out war.

Whether Russia’s stated reasoning was protecting ethnic Russians or taking the whole country, I don’t know. But the way the war started seemed to me like they were hoping for a quick win, and when that didn’t happen, it became a more drawn-out war of attrition than they intended.

a very intelligent assessment. YES the buildup was much as you describe with the attack from the north from belarus. It think the purpose was as you describe was to attack kiev and decapitate. but I still don't believe there is a desire to control the whole of ukraine. This fight had already been going before the invasion with Russia supporting the ethnic regions, just not with outright Russian support. so it would make a lot of sense to go for regime change right out of the gates.

in modern battle unless you are willing to just commit wholesale genocide of the populace a foreign invader will have a constant thorn in their side trying to control an entire country like Ukraine. Some would say putin is willing and capable of doing just that. I don't believe that.

I don't believe Putin wants to reinvent the soviet union. The things he has said in the past suggests he believes that the soviet union was a constant drain on Russia and weakened russia itself. Putin always talks of history if you try to listen to what he is saying. Mistakes of the past are clearly branded into his mind like a branding iron. This is a guy who has lived most of it. Soviet union, perestroika, the pillaging of post soviet assets, and the rebuild of the country. To me his aims are similar to the other regions Russia annexed. Focus on bring back into Russia the ethnic russian and russian speaking populace outside of russia. to that extent maybe he is looking to rebuild, not he soviet union but in his view what russia is.

I think it makes ALOT more sense for us as a nation to align with russia instead of old defunct europe. russia has resources and a more christian ethic than europe does. it seems like a better partnership.

 

[Infidel 762]

a very intelligent assessment. YES the buildup was much as you describe with the attack from the north from belarus. It think the purpose was as you describe was to attack kiev and decapitate. but I still don't believe there is a desire to control the whole of ukraine. This fight had already been going before the invasion with Russia supporting the ethnic regions, just not with outright Russian support. so it would make a lot of sense to go for regime change right out of the gates.

in modern battle unless you are willing to just commit wholesale genocide of the populace a foreign invader will have a constant thorn in their side trying to control an entire country like Ukraine. Some would say putin is willing and capable of doing just that. I don't believe that.

I don't believe Putin wants to reinvent the soviet union. The things he has said in the past suggests he believes that the soviet union was a constant drain on Russia and weakened russia itself. Putin always talks of history if you try to listen to what he is saying. Mistakes of the past are clearly branded into his mind like a branding iron. This is a guy who has lived most of it. Soviet union, perestroika, the pillaging of post soviet assets, and the rebuild of the country. To me his aims are similar to the other regions Russia annexed. Focus on bring back into Russia the ethnic russian and russian speaking populace outside of russia. to that extent maybe he is looking to rebuild, not he soviet union but in his view what russia is.

I think it makes ALOT more sense for us as a nation to align with russia instead of old defunct europe. russia has resources and a more christian ethic than europe does. it seems like a better partnership.

I believe you—honestly, I don’t know the motive. I’ve mostly just looked at it as Russia being the enemy, and Ukraine being the corrupt underdog we fund as a proxy against Russia. From Russia’s point of view, Ukraine was always in their orbit, and they clearly don’t want NATO moving closer to their borders or Ukraine aligning fully with the West.

 

[Infidel 762]

One thing I’ve also thought about is how Russia’s reaction here doesn’t come out of nowhere. In Chechnya, after the Soviet Union collapsed, they saw a region breaking away and tried to take it back militarily.

Ukraine isn’t the same situation, I get it, but I think Russia looks at it in a similar way—another piece of the old Soviet world slipping out of their orbit and moving toward the West. Chechnya was internal, Ukraine is its own country and way more complex, but the way Russia reacts—loss of control turning into a security concern and then invasion—feels like a pattern.

Putin came to power and went pretty savage in Chechnya. I always thought he was using that as a similar model, mixed with how the U.S. went into Iraq in 2003.

 

[Infidel 762]

It’s also why I see our Iran situation as so detrimental. Optics and perception are a powerful deterrent. Russia looks like a paper tiger now compared to how they appeared before getting bogged down in Ukraine. I don’t think the world is too concerned about them making any “4D chess” geopolitical moves involving military force while they’re still trying to chew off that bite of Ukraine.

And you can bet our intelligence agencies have been sitting back watching it unfold, taking notes while eating popcorn. That’s kind of the world we’re in now—watching them stumble in Ukraine while we’re still treading water out past the Gulf of Oman, asking them to throw us a bone so we can just get out of it.

 

[popper43]

Not about Ukraine, but more 'what we aren't told'.
The call to repeat the “Plaza Accord” is, in essence, not an economic solution but a form of political pressure. After the US reached the “Plaza Accord” with its major trading partners in 1985, the yen appreciated significantly, the economy fell into a prolonged recession, and the dollar depreciated sharply; yet this did not resolve the US trade imbalance…

 

[steve garrett]

the US meddling in the situation is akin to Russia getting involved in a dispute between us and Canada. Imagine us invading Alberta and Russia sending weapons to the rest of canada. We would consider that outright war. according to reports we have depleted our defenses missile stocks down to outright dangerous levels. I think Putin remembers afghanistan and also our problems in vietnam. Remember woke academia types aren't running Russia, They are here instead.

 

[Infidel 762]

I agree Putin remembers Afghanistan—not just our 20 years there, but the 1980s when we armed the Afghan mujahideen fighting the Russians. We say Iran has been killing American troops through its proxies for decades, and there's truth to that. It's also fair to acknowledge that we've done the same by arming proxy forces when it served our interests. I'm sure many Russians view us arming their enemies through that same lens.

If reports about our missile stockpiles are accurate, that's very concerning. Deterrence isn't just about what you have—it's about convincing your adversaries you have both the capability and the resolve to sustain a fight. I don't understand why we'd leak that information, then compound it with Trump repeatedly making threats he doesn't follow through on. It sends a very bad signal to the world that we have neither the capability nor the resolve. We go in like a monkey with a grenade, then find ourselves standing alone on the other side of the world trying to clean up the mess while looking like a paper tiger. This is isolating us, driving wedges between us and NATO, and now even Israel.

Even with Russia's supply issues in Ukraine, they're resupplying right across their own border. To fight Iran, we have to ship everything halfway around the world, and we haven't planned those logistics for a sustained fight. Our fight was already supposed to be over. And for the most part our will is over as well.

 

[popper43]

" for the most part our will is over as well." if you say so.

 

[Infidel 762]

" for the most part our will is over as well." if you say so.

I think there are still war hawks who want to go in and blow things up, but the walk-back of empty threats, and the reality that most people don’t have the will to fight a war like that, says a lot. If that weren’t the case, it would show up in our actions. And since Trump called time out, his actions show otherwise.

Did we not just get punked in the Strait, or do we have control?

 

[Saylor]

The West (specifically those running our own government as well as most of the American public) simply do not understand (or care) what has transpired over the past 50+ years with these murderous dictators running the 2 Communist super powers, that hate us, ie, Russia and China.
The Democrat Party in the United States was taken over by the Commies, ie, Russians, in the early 80’s when I was in high school…specifically when Jesse Jackson ran for Prez the first time in1984, with his Rainbow Coalition in charge…still are…and fast forward to today (2024-)and now we see that the Republican Party, right wing, conservative base is being infiltrated same as the Dems were back then…Tucker Carlson is the conservative “darling”, along with Candace Owens who spew Russian propaganda and talking points daily.

And yes, Trump fans, even his own son reported as far back as 2008 that
"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Donald Trump Jr. said at a New York real-estate conference that year. "Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

Which explains why Trump has refused to support Ukraine and insulted Zelenskyy constantly during his own second term in office, and always praises the former KGB thug and current dictator Putin.

And, btw, sports fans, during Trump’s first term he bloviated that he was gonna bring back jobs and industry away from China and back to the United States. Fast forward to 2026 and he brings with him 20-some American big business executives to China on his recent visit and touts how he is now going to work deals with the Chi Comms?

Sorry, I’m not buying that our current regime residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is necessarily “America First”. Our current President is siding with our 2 main enemies since coming back into office. Russia and China. And it’s obvious that he may “owe” the Russians for keeping his own fortune and financial dealings outta bankruptcy. The Russians are experts in blackmail, bribery…

The Ukrainian people know what’s it like to live under Communist rule, ie, a dictatorship.
Americans have no clue, and don’t care, quite frankly, but will very soon if our country continues in this direction with either of our political Parties and their idiots in charge of running our country. DC is not interested in, nor have a clue about real problems we as citizens deal with each and every day. But yet we somehow trust them to keep us safe from those regimes that truly hate us and want us all dead so they can have what we have.

We should support the Ukrainian people in their fight against the Russian invaders.

 

[Saylor]

The West (specifically those running our own government as well as most of the American public) simply do not understand (or care) what has transpired over the past 50+ years with these murderous dictators running the 2 Communist super powers, that hate us, ie, Russia and China.
The Democrat Party in the United States was taken over by the Commies, ie, Russians, in the early 80’s when I was in high school…specifically when Jesse Jackson ran for Prez the first time in1984, with his Rainbow Coalition in charge…still are…and fast forward to today (2024-)and now we see that the Republican Party, right wing, conservative base is being infiltrated same as the Dems were back then…Tucker Carlson is the conservative “darling”, along with Candace Owens who spew Russian propaganda and talking points daily.

And yes, Trump fans, even his own son reported as far back as 2008 that
"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Donald Trump Jr. said at a New York real-estate conference that year. "Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

Which explains why Trump has refused to support Ukraine and insulted Zelenskyy constantly during his own second term in office, and always praises the former KGB thug and current dictator Putin.

And, btw, sports fans, during Trump’s first term he bloviated that he was gonna bring back jobs and industry away from China and back to the United States. Fast forward to 2026 and he brings with him 20-some American big business executives to China on his recent visit and touts how he is now going to work deals with the Chi Comms?

Sorry, I’m not buying that our current regime residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is necessarily “America First”. Our current President is siding with our 2 main enemies since coming back into office. Russia and China. And it’s obvious that he may “owe” the Russians for keeping his own fortune and financial dealings outta bankruptcy. The Russians are experts in blackmail, bribery…

The Ukrainian people know what’s it like to live under Communist rule, ie, a dictatorship.
Americans have no clue, and don’t care, quite frankly, but will very soon if our country continues in this direction with either of our political Parties and their idiots in charge of running our country. DC is not interested in, nor have a clue about real problems we as citizens deal with each and every day. But yet we somehow trust them to keep us safe from those regimes that truly hate us and want us all dead so they can have what we have.

We should support the Ukrainian people in their fight against the Russian invaders.

What the West Still Doesn't Understand About Russia

Over the past few months, Western media have been flooded with headlines speculating that Vladimir Putin is under growing pressure, that a coup may be brewing, or that his grip on power is finally beginning to weaken.

open.substack.com

 

[Widow maker 223]

the US meddling in the situation is akin to Russia getting involved in a dispute between us and Canada. Imagine us invading Alberta and Russia sending weapons to the rest of canada. We would consider that outright war. according to reports we have depleted our defenses missile stocks down to outright dangerous levels. I think Putin remembers afghanistan and also our problems in vietnam. Remember woke academia types aren't running Russia, They are here insead.

on. This has started a slow roll to WW3, with restraint on our side

The West (specifically those running our own government as well as most of the American public) simply do not understand (or care) what has transpired over the past 50+ years with these murderous dictators running the 2 Communist super powers, that hate us, ie, Russia and China.
The Democrat Party in the United States was taken over by the Commies, ie, Russians, in the early 80’s when I was in high school…specifically when Jesse Jackson ran for Prez the first time in1984, with his Rainbow Coalition in charge…still are…and fast forward to today (2024-)and now we see that the Republican Party, right wing, conservative base is being infiltrated same as the Dems were back then…Tucker Carlson is the conservative “darling”, along with Candace Owens who spew Russian propaganda and talking points daily.

And yes, Trump fans, even his own son reported as far back as 2008 that
"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Donald Trump Jr. said at a New York real-estate conference that year. "Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

Which explains why Trump has refused to support Ukraine and insulted Zelenskyy constantly during his own second term in office, and always praises the former KGB thug and current dictator Putin.

And, btw, sports fans, during Trump’s first term he bloviated that he was gonna bring back jobs and industry away from China and back to the United States. Fast forward to 2026 and he brings with him 20-some American big business executives to China on his recent visit and touts how he is now going to work deals with the Chi Comms?

Sorry, I’m not buying that our current regime residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is necessarily “America First”. Our current President is siding with our 2 main enemies since coming back into office. Russia and China. And it’s obvious that he may “owe” the Russians for keeping his own fortune and financial dealings outta bankruptcy. The Russians are experts in blackmail, bribery…

The Ukrainian people know what’s it like to live under Communist rule, ie, a dictatorship.
Americans have no clue, and don’t care, quite frankly, but will very soon if our country continues in this direction with either of our political Parties and their idiots in charge of running our country. DC is not interested in, nor have a clue about real problems we as citizens deal with each and every day. But yet we somehow trust them to keep us safe from those regimes that truly hate us and want us all dead so they can have what we have.

We should support the Ukrainian people in their fight against the Russian invaders.

we all have been supporting ukrane. Fuuk them, and the rest if the 173 countries that get our tax money.