thermal scopes
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Have trijicon and flir. Trijicon is better image. Hard to beat the flir for initial target acquisition . You can quickly pan with the flir and reveal any hot targets. Most all decent thermals will do the job. Most have both strong and weak points. You learn these and use each unit accordingly. The more you spend the better generally. Whether or the higher price is worth it depends on what you expect and what satisfies your use.
skinney
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Originally Posted By: Cowboy43Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: igor 1 pulsar trail xp50 poi problems twice and just use it for scanning now, has great image, as good as my trijicons.
Yep, and our F150 handles the roads as well as my Raptor. Nothing against Pulsar at all, but I can look at a bait pile 2500 yards away and count Coyotes with my Trijicon, With Pulsar at that range, I can't even detect them. rightly so. At almost $10,000 it should record that for you also.
Exactly my point... you don't compare a 3K dollar unit to a 8K dollar unit.
Yep, and our F150 handles the roads as well as my Raptor. Nothing against Pulsar at all, but I can look at a bait pile 2500 yards away and count Coyotes with my Trijicon, With Pulsar at that range, I can't even detect them. rightly so. At almost $10,000 it should record that for you also.
Exactly my point... you don't compare a 3K dollar unit to a 8K dollar unit.
Kevinfarmer3456
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Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: Cowboy43Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: igor 1 pulsar trail xp50 poi problems twice and just use it for scanning now, has great image, as good as my trijicons.
Yep, and our F150 handles the roads as well as my Raptor. Nothing against Pulsar at all, but I can look at a bait pile 2500 yards away and count Coyotes with my Trijicon, With Pulsar at that range, I can't even detect them. rightly so. At almost $10,000 it should record that for you also.
Exactly my point... you don't compare a 3K dollar unit to a 8K dollar unit. so if the Trijicon had onboard recording how much do you think it would cost, close to $12,000?
Yep, and our F150 handles the roads as well as my Raptor. Nothing against Pulsar at all, but I can look at a bait pile 2500 yards away and count Coyotes with my Trijicon, With Pulsar at that range, I can't even detect them. rightly so. At almost $10,000 it should record that for you also.
Exactly my point... you don't compare a 3K dollar unit to a 8K dollar unit. so if the Trijicon had onboard recording how much do you think it would cost, close to $12,000?
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Redneckbmxer24
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You guys act like it’s the end of the world to buy a mini DVR and plug it into the Trijicon like all of those who run Trijicons and want to record do lol. I’d rather not have it in the unit, one less thing to possibly go wrong.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses.
Kevinfarmer3456
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Originally Posted By: Redneckbmxer24You guys act like it’s the end of the world to buy a mini DVR and plug it into the Trijicon like all of those who run Trijicons and want to record do lol. I’d rather not have it in the unit, one less thing to possibly go wrong.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses. you may not remember the moment trijicon bought IR Def. and instantly they raised the prices $1500-$2500 higher. Did they improve anything at that moment...nope.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses. you may not remember the moment trijicon bought IR Def. and instantly they raised the prices $1500-$2500 higher. Did they improve anything at that moment...nope.
skinney
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Originally Posted By: Redneckbmxer24
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses.
+1000.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses.
+1000.
Redneckbmxer24
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Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: Redneckbmxer24You guys act like it’s the end of the world to buy a mini DVR and plug it into the Trijicon like all of those who run Trijicons and want to record do lol. I’d rather not have it in the unit, one less thing to possibly go wrong.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses. you may not remember the moment trijicon bought IR Def. and instantly they raised the prices $1500-$2500 higher. Did they improve anything at that moment...nope.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. My M300W is actually a IRD unit, and yes you’re correct that they are the same units but now with just Trijicons name. The prices were the same however, the lower prices you saw on IRD’s were simply dealers clearancing them out because who’s going to pay the same price for the “old” name when they can get the “new” name for the same price. Yes it’s the same unit, but most consumers are dumb so in their eyes the old name is old tech and not as valuable. Sorry but that’s just the way it is.
BTW TEO now owns the BAR OASYS line and will be producing units for less than the $20-$30K that BAE got for them, but I guess Trijicon are still bad guys in your eyes because you’re going to find an excuse not to shuck out the cash for it anyway.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses. you may not remember the moment trijicon bought IR Def. and instantly they raised the prices $1500-$2500 higher. Did they improve anything at that moment...nope.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. My M300W is actually a IRD unit, and yes you’re correct that they are the same units but now with just Trijicons name. The prices were the same however, the lower prices you saw on IRD’s were simply dealers clearancing them out because who’s going to pay the same price for the “old” name when they can get the “new” name for the same price. Yes it’s the same unit, but most consumers are dumb so in their eyes the old name is old tech and not as valuable. Sorry but that’s just the way it is.
BTW TEO now owns the BAR OASYS line and will be producing units for less than the $20-$30K that BAE got for them, but I guess Trijicon are still bad guys in your eyes because you’re going to find an excuse not to shuck out the cash for it anyway.
Redneckbmxer24
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Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: Redneckbmxer24
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses.
+1000.
Some people will just never understand, and whatever they bought HAS to be as good as anything else out on the market.
I will give the Pulsar users one thing though, they’re closer to reality than those who will swear that their crappy ATN X-sight is the end all be all.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses.
+1000.
Some people will just never understand, and whatever they bought HAS to be as good as anything else out on the market.
I will give the Pulsar users one thing though, they’re closer to reality than those who will swear that their crappy ATN X-sight is the end all be all.
Kevinfarmer3456
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Originally Posted By: Redneckbmxer24Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: Redneckbmxer24You guys act like it’s the end of the world to buy a mini DVR and plug it into the Trijicon like all of those who run Trijicons and want to record do lol. I’d rather not have it in the unit, one less thing to possibly go wrong.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses. you may not remember the moment trijicon bought IR Def. and instantly they raised the prices $1500-$2500 higher. Did they improve anything at that moment...nope.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. My M300W is actually a IRD unit, and yes you’re correct that they are the same units but now with just Trijicons name. The prices were the same however, the lower prices you saw on IRD’s were simply dealers clearancing them out because who’s going to pay the same price for the “old” name when they can get the “new” name for the same price. Yes it’s the same unit, but most consumers are dumb so in their eyes the old name is old tech and not as valuable. Sorry but that’s just the way it is.
BTW TEO now owns the BAR OASYS line and will be producing units for less than the $20-$30K that BAE got for them, but I guess Trijicon are still bad guys in your eyes because you’re going to find an excuse not to shuck out the cash for it anyway. no, ive got plenty of reason not to shell out $10,000 for a unit...its called Grand Kids... if i shell out 10k it will be for something they need.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses. you may not remember the moment trijicon bought IR Def. and instantly they raised the prices $1500-$2500 higher. Did they improve anything at that moment...nope.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. My M300W is actually a IRD unit, and yes you’re correct that they are the same units but now with just Trijicons name. The prices were the same however, the lower prices you saw on IRD’s were simply dealers clearancing them out because who’s going to pay the same price for the “old” name when they can get the “new” name for the same price. Yes it’s the same unit, but most consumers are dumb so in their eyes the old name is old tech and not as valuable. Sorry but that’s just the way it is.
BTW TEO now owns the BAR OASYS line and will be producing units for less than the $20-$30K that BAE got for them, but I guess Trijicon are still bad guys in your eyes because you’re going to find an excuse not to shuck out the cash for it anyway. no, ive got plenty of reason not to shell out $10,000 for a unit...its called Grand Kids... if i shell out 10k it will be for something they need.
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Redneckbmxer24
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Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: Redneckbmxer24Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: Redneckbmxer24You guys act like it’s the end of the world to buy a mini DVR and plug it into the Trijicon like all of those who run Trijicons and want to record do lol. I’d rather not have it in the unit, one less thing to possibly go wrong.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses. you may not remember the moment trijicon bought IR Def. and instantly they raised the prices $1500-$2500 higher. Did they improve anything at that moment...nope.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. My M300W is actually a IRD unit, and yes you’re correct that they are the same units but now with just Trijicons name. The prices were the same however, the lower prices you saw on IRD’s were simply dealers clearancing them out because who’s going to pay the same price for the “old” name when they can get the “new” name for the same price. Yes it’s the same unit, but most consumers are dumb so in their eyes the old name is old tech and not as valuable. Sorry but that’s just the way it is.
BTW TEO now owns the BAR OASYS line and will be producing units for less than the $20-$30K that BAE got for them, but I guess Trijicon are still bad guys in your eyes because you’re going to find an excuse not to shuck out the cash for it anyway. no, ive got plenty of reason not to shell out $10,000 for a unit...its called Grand Kids... if i shell out 10k it will be for something they need.
And there’s nothing wrong with that. The issue is in the ideology that whatever you bought has to be just as good as anything else, and that thought process is just ridiculous. I’m glad you’re happy with what you have an it works. I own a lot of high end stuff and I’ve not not problem telling it like it is.
Would I rather have a BAE UTM-X instead of my M300W and is it better? Absolutely, but not at the tune of $27K even though I can afford that.
Is a FLIR HISS-XLR vastly superior to my L3 LWTS and would I rather have one? Again yes without a doubt, but not at $80K vs $12K. No way I can justify that.
See, there’s nothing wrong with admitting that there’s better stuff than what you bought just because that’s what you decided to go with.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses. you may not remember the moment trijicon bought IR Def. and instantly they raised the prices $1500-$2500 higher. Did they improve anything at that moment...nope.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. My M300W is actually a IRD unit, and yes you’re correct that they are the same units but now with just Trijicons name. The prices were the same however, the lower prices you saw on IRD’s were simply dealers clearancing them out because who’s going to pay the same price for the “old” name when they can get the “new” name for the same price. Yes it’s the same unit, but most consumers are dumb so in their eyes the old name is old tech and not as valuable. Sorry but that’s just the way it is.
BTW TEO now owns the BAR OASYS line and will be producing units for less than the $20-$30K that BAE got for them, but I guess Trijicon are still bad guys in your eyes because you’re going to find an excuse not to shuck out the cash for it anyway. no, ive got plenty of reason not to shell out $10,000 for a unit...its called Grand Kids... if i shell out 10k it will be for something they need.
And there’s nothing wrong with that. The issue is in the ideology that whatever you bought has to be just as good as anything else, and that thought process is just ridiculous. I’m glad you’re happy with what you have an it works. I own a lot of high end stuff and I’ve not not problem telling it like it is.
Would I rather have a BAE UTM-X instead of my M300W and is it better? Absolutely, but not at the tune of $27K even though I can afford that.
Is a FLIR HISS-XLR vastly superior to my L3 LWTS and would I rather have one? Again yes without a doubt, but not at $80K vs $12K. No way I can justify that.
See, there’s nothing wrong with admitting that there’s better stuff than what you bought just because that’s what you decided to go with.
Kevinfarmer3456
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The LWTS falls short to my friends MK2 35MM. His IR Def. just blows that thing away imo. His LWTS cost him right at $15,000 and his MK2 35mm he got used for $5200. Explain that?
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Cowboy43
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Originally Posted By: Redneckbmxer24You guys act like it’s the end of the world to buy a mini DVR and plug it into the Trijicon like all of those who run Trijicons and want to record do lol. I’d rather not have it in the unit, one less thing to possibly go wrong.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses. yea but, the video out on the trijicon units looks worse than dog crap. Come on guys, at that price they should do better, way way better.
If you enjoy your inferior units or they do what you need them to while costing less, great. But trying to convince yourself that anything from Pulsar is on the same level as a Trijicon with a BAE core is just silly. That’s like saying a $250 Savage Axis is as good as a $7500 Accuracy International simply because you don’t see the value in it or don’t need it for your uses. yea but, the video out on the trijicon units looks worse than dog crap. Come on guys, at that price they should do better, way way better.
DoubleUp
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Some hunters feel they can justify the high cost of the Trijicons, others have enough wealth that they don't need to justify it, some others can use it as a business expense, and others just don't see their way clear to spend that kind of money. It's all good!
I'm glad there are people who can afford the high end and maybe even highest end equipment because it will eventually filter down to a price that more people can reasonably afford.
For me, I'm not going to shoot much past 300 yds. at night. I can do that with the Pulsar XQ50. Would it be nice to have a perfect image, whatever perfect is? Why sure, but the image I have now allows me to do all that I need at the distance I will shoot, and get a good enough recording of it that I can enjoy seeing what happened.
The original question was for something in the $3,000 to $3,500 range, and that can be done with the Pulsar Apex or Trail XQ line.
I'm glad there are people who can afford the high end and maybe even highest end equipment because it will eventually filter down to a price that more people can reasonably afford.
For me, I'm not going to shoot much past 300 yds. at night. I can do that with the Pulsar XQ50. Would it be nice to have a perfect image, whatever perfect is? Why sure, but the image I have now allows me to do all that I need at the distance I will shoot, and get a good enough recording of it that I can enjoy seeing what happened.
The original question was for something in the $3,000 to $3,500 range, and that can be done with the Pulsar Apex or Trail XQ line.
Cowboy43
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Originally Posted By: DoubleUpSome hunters feel they can justify the high cost of the Trijicons, others have enough wealth that they don't need to justify it, some others can use it as a business expense, and others just don't see their way clear to spend that kind of money. It's all good!
I'm glad there are people who can afford the high end and maybe even highest end equipment because it will eventually filter down to a price that more people can reasonably afford.
For me, I'm not going to shoot much past 300 yds. at night. I can do that with the Pulsar XQ50. Would it be nice to have a perfect image, whatever perfect is? Why sure, but the image I have now allows me to do all that I need at the distance I will shoot, and get a good enough recording of it that I can enjoy seeing what happened.
The original question was for something in the $3,000 to $3,500 range, and that can be done with the Pulsar Apex or Trail XQ line. i agree to some extent. But when a $1900 ATN Thor HD puts out better video quality than a $10,000 unit. Its just hard to really call a Trijicon a Superior unit.
I guess I can say this. The trijicon has a better core image while looking thru it than most others. But in other areas such as video and other items, it falls way behind.
I'm glad there are people who can afford the high end and maybe even highest end equipment because it will eventually filter down to a price that more people can reasonably afford.
For me, I'm not going to shoot much past 300 yds. at night. I can do that with the Pulsar XQ50. Would it be nice to have a perfect image, whatever perfect is? Why sure, but the image I have now allows me to do all that I need at the distance I will shoot, and get a good enough recording of it that I can enjoy seeing what happened.
The original question was for something in the $3,000 to $3,500 range, and that can be done with the Pulsar Apex or Trail XQ line. i agree to some extent. But when a $1900 ATN Thor HD puts out better video quality than a $10,000 unit. Its just hard to really call a Trijicon a Superior unit.
I guess I can say this. The trijicon has a better core image while looking thru it than most others. But in other areas such as video and other items, it falls way behind.
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Kevinfarmer3456
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Originally Posted By: Cowboy43Originally Posted By: DoubleUpSome hunters feel they can justify the high cost of the Trijicons, others have enough wealth that they don't need to justify it, some others can use it as a business expense, and others just don't see their way clear to spend that kind of money. It's all good!
I'm glad there are people who can afford the high end and maybe even highest end equipment because it will eventually filter down to a price that more people can reasonably afford.
For me, I'm not going to shoot much past 300 yds. at night. I can do that with the Pulsar XQ50. Would it be nice to have a perfect image, whatever perfect is? Why sure, but the image I have now allows me to do all that I need at the distance I will shoot, and get a good enough recording of it that I can enjoy seeing what happened.
The original question was for something in the $3,000 to $3,500 range, and that can be done with the Pulsar Apex or Trail XQ line. i agree to some extent. But when a $1900 ATN Thor HD puts out better video quality than a $10,000 unit. Its just hard to really call a Trijicon a Superior unit.
I guess I can say this. The trijicon has a better core image while looking thru it than most others. But in other areas such as video and other items, it falls way behind. When you spend $10,000 and you still have to do this to get an acceptable video to promote yourself. I just find it funny. I mean who wants to spend that much money and have to aim by viewing thru your phone with a stock pack attached to the gun with wires running everywhere. Lol, not me!!!
I'm glad there are people who can afford the high end and maybe even highest end equipment because it will eventually filter down to a price that more people can reasonably afford.
For me, I'm not going to shoot much past 300 yds. at night. I can do that with the Pulsar XQ50. Would it be nice to have a perfect image, whatever perfect is? Why sure, but the image I have now allows me to do all that I need at the distance I will shoot, and get a good enough recording of it that I can enjoy seeing what happened.
The original question was for something in the $3,000 to $3,500 range, and that can be done with the Pulsar Apex or Trail XQ line. i agree to some extent. But when a $1900 ATN Thor HD puts out better video quality than a $10,000 unit. Its just hard to really call a Trijicon a Superior unit.
I guess I can say this. The trijicon has a better core image while looking thru it than most others. But in other areas such as video and other items, it falls way behind. When you spend $10,000 and you still have to do this to get an acceptable video to promote yourself. I just find it funny. I mean who wants to spend that much money and have to aim by viewing thru your phone with a stock pack attached to the gun with wires running everywhere. Lol, not me!!!
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Redneckbmxer24
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Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The LWTS falls short to my friends MK2 35MM. His IR Def. just blows that thing away imo. His LWTS cost him right at $15,000 and his MK2 35mm he got used for $5200. Explain that?
I don’t believe that for a second, I have a MK3 35mm and they are about equal as far as image. I don’t use the LWTS as a dedicated sight though, it gets used as a clip on since it’s fully collimated and that’s where it really shines. Nothing Trijicon makes measures up against it in that regard, including the SNIPE. The only other comparible unit at a similar price is a T75. After that you need to drop $30K on a UTC-X or $80K on a HISS-XLR to beat it.
I don’t believe that for a second, I have a MK3 35mm and they are about equal as far as image. I don’t use the LWTS as a dedicated sight though, it gets used as a clip on since it’s fully collimated and that’s where it really shines. Nothing Trijicon makes measures up against it in that regard, including the SNIPE. The only other comparible unit at a similar price is a T75. After that you need to drop $30K on a UTC-X or $80K on a HISS-XLR to beat it.
Kevinfarmer3456
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Originally Posted By: Redneckbmxer24Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The LWTS falls short to my friends MK2 35MM. His IR Def. just blows that thing away imo. His LWTS cost him right at $15,000 and his MK2 35mm he got used for $5200. Explain that?
I don’t believe that for a second, I have a MK3 35mm and they are about equal as far as image. I don’t use the LWTS as a dedicated sight though, it gets used as a clip on since it’s fully collimated and that’s where it really shines. Nothing Trijicon makes measures up against it in that regard, including the SNIPE. The only other comparible unit at a similar price is a T75. After that you need to drop $30K on a UTC-X or $80K on a HISS-XLR to beat it. we both have used it as a dedicated scope and a clip on. And i agree it is a better clip on than the IR. But i can't stand the weight it adds as a clip on. Makes the ars way too front heavy imo.
I don’t believe that for a second, I have a MK3 35mm and they are about equal as far as image. I don’t use the LWTS as a dedicated sight though, it gets used as a clip on since it’s fully collimated and that’s where it really shines. Nothing Trijicon makes measures up against it in that regard, including the SNIPE. The only other comparible unit at a similar price is a T75. After that you need to drop $30K on a UTC-X or $80K on a HISS-XLR to beat it. we both have used it as a dedicated scope and a clip on. And i agree it is a better clip on than the IR. But i can't stand the weight it adds as a clip on. Makes the ars way too front heavy imo.